At what point does Rose overtake Pippen?

Is D-Rose the #2 player in the Chicago Bulls Franchise?


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you are right...Pippen was important to those titles...Kareem was important to titles with Magic, McHale was important to titles with Bird...etc. I can't say those players were more important than the franchise players...
I agree. Just saying that even though someone said something along the lines of "Pippen was important to those title teams" you don't have to jump in and say "He's not more important than or as important as Jordan" because that wasn't said.
 
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So you would remove Barkley from the top 50 list and put in Dennis Rodman?????

And you just accused someone else of not knowing basketball??? I am not going to get into a Rodman/Barkley debate because that is just stupid. Barkley was the better player easily...stop this madness.

There is a difference between playing with great players as a member of the supporting class like Rodman and Pippen were...and being the franchise player like Rose and Barkley...big difference.

Your wrong on so many levels. There are some players, who's roles on a team are just too valuable. No matter who the best player were, you don't win without multiple great players. We saw what the bulls did in 95 without rodman. And how they faired with rodman. If the object of the game, any game, is to win, then why penalize the players who've won? I understand winning shouldn't be the only bar that is set, but neither should any other way we rank players. Why say this guy is better cuz he won an mvp? Or this guy is better cuz he's a better scorer? Let's look at everything.

Rodman is arguably the greatest defender ever. His role in defending players like jordan, drexler, johnson and pippen were invaluable. He put up wilt chamberlain type rebounding numbers along with shutting down great bigs like shaq, mourning and malone. These are a few of the greatest offensive weapons ever. Take rodman off those pistons and bulls teams and neither of them win.

Barkley was an offensivve juggernaut along with being a great rebounder. But he was a terrible defender. And really didn't seem to care for trying to play defense. But he had the athletic ability and talent to to be at least a good defender. And his conditioning was terrible. He was constantly over weight. He never really put any effort into anything that didn't evoleve around scoring. He had a terrible work ethic

And like I said in the other post, what hurt rodman was his off the court antics. Its why he's left off the top 50.

You really need to stop your way of thinking when it comes to sports. Not everyone can be the man. And a lot of times, its due to situation not lack of talent. Players like jordan, shaq, wilt, olajuwan, need sufficient help in order to win championships.
 

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I agree. Just saying that even though someone said something along the lines of "Pippen was important to those title teams" you don't have to jump in and say "He's not more important than Jordan" because that wasn't said.

I meant "as" important...not more. I don't think Pippen was as important as Jordan, the same with the other examples I gave.
 

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Your wrong on so many levels. There are some players, who's roles on a team are just too valuable. No matter who the best player were, you don't win without multiple great players. We saw what the bulls did in 95 without rodman. And how they faired with rodman. If the object of the game, any game, is to win, then why penalize the players who've won? I understand winning shouldn't be the only bar that is set, but neither should any other way we rank players. Why say this guy is better cuz he won an mvp? Or this guy is better cuz he's a better scorer? Let's look at everything.

Rodman is arguably the greatest defender ever. His role in defending players like jordan, drexler, johnson and pippen were invaluable. He put up wilt chamberlain type rebounding numbers along with shutting down great bigs like shaq, mourning and malone. These are a few of the greatest offensive weapons ever. Take rodman off those pistons and bulls teams and neither of them win.

Barkley was an offensivve juggernaut along with being a great rebounder. But he was a terrible defender. And really didn't seem to care for trying to play defense. But he had the athletic ability and talent to to be at least a good defender. And his conditioning was terrible. He was constantly over weight. He never really put any effort into anything that didn't evoleve around scoring. He had a terrible work ethic

And like I said in the other post, what hurt rodman was his off the court antics. Its why he's left off the top 50.

You really need to stop your way of thinking when it comes to sports. Not everyone can be the man. And a lot of times, its due to situation not lack of talent. Players like jordan, shaq, wilt, olajuwan, need sufficient help in order to win championships.

Nobody is going to build a team around Rodman...say what you want, he was never the 2nd best player on a championship team...never. He was left off of the top 50 because he wasn't as good as McHale, Malone, or Barkley...and he wouldn't make that list if he was a choir boy.

Not everyone can be the man...but Barkley was the man for most of his career...Rodman never was...that speaks to talent. And I don't know if you noticed, Rodman's antics on the court could be more disturbing than what he did off the court, because he would disrupt games and teammates.

But again, this is not an argument...Barkley is one of the best PFs ever...so you are going to tell me Gary Payton was better than Magic was? Magic was worse defensively than Barkley!

Barkley went to 11 allstar games...Rodman 2....Barkley has 10+ All Nba awards, Rodman 2, each time...EACH time behind Barkley, Barkley was in the top 6 in MVP voting 8 times, half of those in the top 4...again, no contest. Let's stop the madness...
 

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I meant "as" important...not more. I don't think Pippen was as important as Jordan, the same with the other examples I gave.
Statement amended to include "as" as well as "more"
 

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Saying that D-Rose is clearly the better offensive player between he and Pippen, and saying I'd rather build a franchise around D-Rose than Pippen, is not an insult towards Pippen at all.
 

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So I'm basketball Special person because I said pippen wasn't as fast as lebron? I'm basketball Special person because I said scottie was as important to those titles as jordan was?

**** you

Your opinion is no more important than anyone elses. Just because you are a follower of every analyst on twitter doesn't mean you know anything more than the next person.

Have you ever played? Probably not. I have. I played in the streets of chicago, washington park, englewood, yates park, garfield park, everywhere. From 12 to 24 I did nothing but play ball when I wasn't working.

All of these legends you so revere, I've met and had conversations with. So misss me with that basketball Special person shit. You're nothing but a bully who needs to learn when to shut what we call the **** up and let other people have their say on matters. You're not the be all end all when it comes to basketbal. If you were, you would be getting paid which you aren't .
 
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This isn't a Rose vs. Scottie thread. The creator is simply asking is Rose the 2nd best player in the Franchise. If you say yes explain why, If you say no, explain why and what accomplishments it takes him to be the 2nd best guy. This Bulls 94 team & Scottie arguing is getting old fast.
 

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This isn't a Rose vs. Scottie thread. The creator is simply asking is Rose the 2nd best player in the Franchise. If you say yes explain why, If you say no, explain why and what accomplishments it takes him to be the 2nd best guy. This Bulls 94 team & Scottie arguing is getting old fast.

I think you're missing the point. If we can not determine the answer to this soon, the Bulls will no longer have a legacy. The universe will be destroyed as we know it. What may seem small to you, means absolutely everything to some people.

You heard of the cat lady, who has nothing but cats to keep her motivated to live(and X), well, here is scottiepippen1994. Without the clown, you don't have much of a circus. Now, we wouldn't want to see that happen?

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Nobody is going to build a team around Rodman...say what you want, he was never the 2nd best player on a championship team...never.
Barkley was never a champion. And not because of lack of support. His inability to play defense and bad work ethic cost him rings.

He was left off of the top 50 because he wasn't as good as McHale, Malone, or Barkley...and he wouldn't make that list if he was choir boy.
I think there's a general understanding that he was left off cuz of his antics. Not due to lack of accomplishments. And please stop treating the top 50 as if its some kind of bible. There's a lot of guys that were left off that should be on there. And a lot of guys on there that have no business being on there.

Not everyone can be the man...but Barkley was the man for most of his career...Rodman never was...that speaks to talent. And I don't know if you noticed, Rodman's antics on the court could be more disturbing than what he did off the court, because he would disrupt games and teammates.But again, this is not an argument...Barkley is one of the best PFs ever...so you are going to tell me Gary Payton was better than Magic was? Magic was worse defensively than Barkley!

Barkley went to 11 allstar games...Rodman 2....Barkley has 10+ All Nba awards, Rodman 2, each time...EACH time behind Barkley, Barkley was in the top 6 in MVP voting 8 times, half of those in the top 4...again, no contest. Let's stop the madness...


Rodman has 5 championships barkley has 0. I bet barkley would trade all those accolades for those championships. That's trumps everything.
 

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Rodman has 5 championships barkley has 0. I bet barkley would trade all those accolades for those championships. That's trumps everything.

Barkley never had a Pippen or Jordan
 

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I think you're missing the point. If we can not determine the answer to this soon, the Bulls will no longer have a legacy. The universe will be destroyed as we know it. What may seem small to you, means absolutely everything to some people.

You heard of the cat lady, who has nothing but cats to keep her motivated to live(and X), well, here is scottiepippen1994. Without the clown, you don't have much of a circus. Now, we wouldn't want to see that happen?

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Of course. This is of the utmost importance. We MUST decide NOW!
 

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Barkley never had a Pippen or Jordan

Pippen doesn't matter cuz he wasn't the "man". And a lot of players won without jordan.

This is what I find crazy. Barkley gets a pass cuz he didn't have a pippen type player to win a championship. But pippen gets the minimal credit for his role on 6 championships cuz he wasn't the "man".
 

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Pippen doesn't matter cuz he wasn't the "man". And a lot of players won without jordan.

This is what I find crazy. Barkley gets a pass cuz he didn't have a pippen type player to win a championship. But pippen gets the minimal credit for his role on 6 championships cuz he wasn't the "man".

either way, on a championship team there is always 2 very good top players. Rodman had Pippen and Jordan. Who did Barkley have?
 

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After all the bickering in this thread... the poll results are 7-0-0-0... unanimous.

Can we drop it now?
 
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