Ben Gordon Is Really Freaking Good

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82games.com finally started their 09-10 coverage, and the Gordon numbers are eye popping.

Ben Gordon has played about 45% of his minutes at point guard, and 55% at shooting guard.

At point guard, Ben Gordon has a PER of 33.09. He's averaging 38.7 Pts/48 minutes on 68.5 TS%. To put it simply, smaller players cannot stop Ben Gordon from scoring. He dominates smaller players.

At point guard, he gives up 14.9 PER, and 18.7 PTS/48 on 50.3 TS%. That's for a net of 19 PER and 20 points.

The shooting guard numbers are amazing. Not offense, but defense. Offensively, he has a 19.4 PER and has 22.4 PTS/48 on 54.5 TS%. Bigger guards have had a difficulty shutting down Gordon (although this is largely a result of the Magic game, where Gordon played a lot of shooting guard, with Pietrus on him, and he just had a bad first quarter, where I think he shot 1-9).

But Ben Gordon is giving up a 5.4 PER. He's giving up 14.7 PTS/48, on 36.6 TS%.

Opposing shooting guards have not done ANYTHING against Gordon.

 

[TheStig]

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pinkizdead wrote:

you watch the piston games? either way, i'd rather no one tell him. i want the pistons to loose. i hope bg all the best/individual success, but eh thats about it.

Stuckey is such a disgusting basketball player. All he cares about are his own shots. I think all of his assists are a result of some dumb defensive player being caught off guard that Stuckey actually passed the ball.

In last nights game against the Magic for example, there was a play where Stuckey and Gordon were in the pick and pop. Gordon sets the pick, and pops out to the three point line at the wing. Stuckey proceeds to ignore him, tries to break down the Magic defense, and by the time he is ready to give the ball to Gordon, Gordon is already covered again. It was like the perfect execution of the pick and pop by Gordon, and Stuckey didn't give him the ball for the wide open three (not that he would have hit it last night, as his jumpshot was off last night, but you still give him the ball in those situations).

When Rip Hamilton comes to the bench, I wouldn't be shocked if they send Stuckey to the bench and start Gordon and Hamilton. If Stuckey wants to just come in and jack up shots, he can do that from the instant offense sixth man guise.

I told you stuckey was just terrible. They need some front court help and they will be fine. If Charlie V can score some and Ben Wallace can hold up, they will be in the plyoffs.

 

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TheStig wrote:

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pinkizdead wrote:

you watch the piston games? either way, i'd rather no one tell him. i want the pistons to loose. i hope bg all the best/individual success, but eh thats about it.

Stuckey is such a disgusting basketball player. All he cares about are his own shots. I think all of his assists are a result of some dumb defensive player being caught off guard that Stuckey actually passed the ball.

In last nights game against the Magic for example, there was a play where Stuckey and Gordon were in the pick and pop. Gordon sets the pick, and pops out to the three point line at the wing. Stuckey proceeds to ignore him, tries to break down the Magic defense, and by the time he is ready to give the ball to Gordon, Gordon is already covered again. It was like the perfect execution of the pick and pop by Gordon, and Stuckey didn't give him the ball for the wide open three (not that he would have hit it last night, as his jumpshot was off last night, but you still give him the ball in those situations).

When Rip Hamilton comes to the bench, I wouldn't be shocked if they send Stuckey to the bench and start Gordon and Hamilton. If Stuckey wants to just come in and jack up shots, he can do that from the instant offense sixth man guise.

I told you stuckey was just terrible. They need some front court help and they will be fine. If Charlie V can score some and Ben Wallace can hold up, they will be in the plyoffs.

Yeah, they look decent because of Ben Gordon's dominance, and Ben Wallace's good interior defense. I think really if they get Hamilton back, they will be fine. The thing though, is that Keuster has to be smart enough not to send Gordon back to the bench. They need Gordon out there 40 minutes a night if they want to be a good team.

 

[TheStig]

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TheStig wrote:

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pinkizdead wrote:

you watch the piston games? either way, i'd rather no one tell him. i want the pistons to loose. i hope bg all the best/individual success, but eh thats about it.

Stuckey is such a disgusting basketball player. All he cares about are his own shots. I think all of his assists are a result of some dumb defensive player being caught off guard that Stuckey actually passed the ball.

In last nights game against the Magic for example, there was a play where Stuckey and Gordon were in the pick and pop. Gordon sets the pick, and pops out to the three point line at the wing. Stuckey proceeds to ignore him, tries to break down the Magic defense, and by the time he is ready to give the ball to Gordon, Gordon is already covered again. It was like the perfect execution of the pick and pop by Gordon, and Stuckey didn't give him the ball for the wide open three (not that he would have hit it last night, as his jumpshot was off last night, but you still give him the ball in those situations).

When Rip Hamilton comes to the bench, I wouldn't be shocked if they send Stuckey to the bench and start Gordon and Hamilton. If Stuckey wants to just come in and jack up shots, he can do that from the instant offense sixth man guise.

I told you stuckey was just terrible. They need some front court help and they will be fine. If Charlie V can score some and Ben Wallace can hold up, they will be in the plyoffs.

Yeah, they look decent because of Ben Gordon's dominance, and Ben Wallace's good interior defense. I think really if they get Hamilton back, they will be fine. The thing though, is that Keuster has to be smart enough not to send Gordon back to the bench. They need Gordon out there 40 minutes a night if they want to be a good team.

Exactly, BG will get his time. They really need to play a bg, rip, prince, charlie v and wallace lineup extended minutes, let prince initiate the offense. there D will hold up as long as ben wallace does, he really anchors them and thats the biggest part of d in the nba, a good defensive big. I mean last year, howard took a pathetic defensive team of nelson, lee, hedo and lewis and made them top 5. The key is really ben wallace, if he can keep it up, they will win low 40's.

 

[Shakes]

I really don't think Ben Wallace can be compared to Dwight Howard without using a time machine.

 

[TheStig]

Shakes wrote:

I really don't think Ben Wallace can be compared to Dwight Howard without using a time machine.

Lol fair enough, it was just an analogy. But its interesting how much a difference a good defensive center can make. its night and day.

 

[Shakes]

Agreed, but can Ben Wallace be that guy for 82 games? He looked washed up two years ago, I know he loves Detroit and will probably try harder for them, but I find it hard to believe he can really play at a high level for long. He looked dead whenever we had a back to back, and no matter how much you like playing for a team it doesn't change your body breaking down.

 

[TheStig]

Shakes wrote:

Agreed, but can Ben Wallace be that guy for 82 games? He looked washed up two years ago, I know he loves Detroit and will probably try harder for them, but I find it hard to believe he can really play at a high level for long. He looked dead whenever we had a back to back, and no matter how much you like playing for a team it doesn't change your body breaking down.

Thats the question, if he can or can't. Its certainly possible but not likely, I still think that he can still function well enough to give them some consistency, its not like there are any good centers outside of shaq, lopez and howard that will really give him trobule. They really need to trade Rip or Prince for someone long term front court help. I don't know how Joe D plans to turn them into a contender but he certainly has his work cut out for him.

 

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Another solid day for Ben Gordon. 23 points on 57.8 TS%

Ben was big in the last 6 minutes of the game. He brought the Pistons within 2 77-75. Then put them up 2, 79-77. Then put them up 4, making it an 83-79 game with 2:06 left.

Both the Pistons and Bucks look good so far. It's going to be a tough division this year.

 

[pinkizdead]

to be honest tayshawn being out is a blessing. they can now start gordon and rip. stucky still sucks. they need some better players at the 4.

 

[Shakes]

3 blocks, 3 steals and 16 rebounds for Ben Wallace in only 30 minutes ... if it turns out the old bugger really is capable of still playing like that regularly it just makes me hate him more for the crap he pulled on this team.

 

[TheStig]

Shakes wrote:

3 blocks, 3 steals and 16 rebounds for Ben Wallace in only 30 minutes ... if it turns out the old bugger really is capable of still playing like that regularly it just makes me hate him more for the crap he pulled on this team.

Its been my sneaking suspicion we did something horribly wrong. I mean it doesn't make sense that he just started sucking and we couldn't curb his minutes. before and after us, he was successful, I just think Skilies tried to be a high school coach and Wallace rebelled. Management made skilies ease up and the team was lost without its tight practices and code of conduct.

 

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pinkizdead wrote:

to be honest tayshawn being out is a blessing. they can now start gordon and rip. stucky still sucks. they need some better players at the 4.

The smart move was to bring Stuckey off the bench, and see if you can make Gordon into a point guard.

I think Gordon was going to start regardless going forward. You just can't bench a player who has done what Gordon has done so far this season. It's just dumb coaching.

 

[Shakes]

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You just can't bench a player who has done what Gordon has done so far this season.

That depends on whether Duhon is on the team. :laugh:

 

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Shakes wrote:

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You just can't bench a player who has done what Gordon has done so far this season.

That depends on whether Duhon is on the team. :laugh:

I'd consider benching Gordon for Thabo Sefolosha as well. Gordon's been good, but not Sefolicious.

 

[ramblingrose33]

I was thinking about how our team would be different with Gordon on it. We keep talking about the need for spacing and a solid three point shot. Everyone's answer is Ben Gordon. I checked and realized, he's only hitting 37% from the arc. It's below his career average and on par with Hinrich's career average. I realize Gordon maybe/probably will bring that up but it's worth noting that at moment, we're not worse for the ware.
I don't want this to be construed as a Gordon bash because it's not. For a little less money I'd love his 37%. But let's also not fool ourselves into think that we let Ray Allen go....

 

[fola]

ramblingrose33 wrote:

I was thinking about how our team would be different with Gordon on it. We keep talking about the need for spacing and a solid three point shot. Everyone's answer is Ben Gordon. I checked and realized, he's only hitting 37% from the arc. It's below his career average and on par with Hinrich's career average. I realize Gordon maybe/probably will bring that up but it's worth noting that at moment, we're not worse for the ware.
I don't want this to be construed as a Gordon bash because it's not. For a little less money I'd love his 37%. But let's also not fool ourselves into think that we let Ray Allen go....

Good point. But as you stated, it'll probably even itself out at some point. Moreover, I think the threat of a good to very good 3pt shooter on the court, regardless of the 'slump', would alleviate some of our offensive woes.

 

[fola]

Also kirk hinrich and salmons (our primary 3pt shooters) are at 25% and 23% respectively. Wow... i literally think i could suit up and do a little better Lets pray they break out of this their slumps soon.

 

[ramblingrose33]

I totally agree. I was surprised that Deng was doing as well as he is from the arc. I believe he's 67% or something but he's only taken 3 shots. I ask, why only 3?

But unless Salmons and Hinrich start hitting that shot with some consistency, we're going to have to "gut out" a lot of wins this year.

 

[TheStig]

ramblingrose33 wrote:

I was thinking about how our team would be different with Gordon on it. We keep talking about the need for spacing and a solid three point shot. Everyone's answer is Ben Gordon. I checked and realized, he's only hitting 37% from the arc. It's below his career average and on par with Hinrich's career average. I realize Gordon maybe/probably will bring that up but it's worth noting that at moment, we're not worse for the ware.
I don't want this to be construed as a Gordon bash because it's not. For a little less money I'd love his 37%. But let's also not fool ourselves into think that we let Ray Allen go....

Uh, Ray Allen is only shooting 34% from three this year and has shot under 40% from three for half of his years in the league and shoots right under 40% for his career not over.