Biggest Loss for the Bulls?

[Dpauley23]

If you want the ball out of Rose's hands and in Gordon's, which is where he would demand it be...so he could jack up 23+ shots a game...there's something wrong with you. This isn't just taking out Gordon and put Korver and Watson in his place...surely you understand that.

When the hell did Gordon take the ball out of Rose hands at the end of the game? Rose always got the last shot and missed everyone. Gordon does it once and then you have to listen to those fools on the Afternoon Saloon on how Rose should of got the ball even though he was terrible at it

 

[X]

When the hell did Gordon take the ball out of Rose hands at the end of the game? Rose always got the last shot and missed everyone. Gordon does it once and then you have to listen to those fools on the Afternoon Saloon on how Rose should of got the ball even though he was terrible at it

When did I say anything about the last shot? I'm talking about the entire season...why do you keep picking spots out of games? Only way you can validate your argument?

 

[Dpauley23]

When did I say anything about the last shot? I'm talking about the entire season...why do you keep picking spots out of games? Only way you can validate your argument?

O ok so will you be leading the charge for when Boozer is posting up too much and taking away the ball from Rose

 

[Dpauley23]

:smh:

so... you think that BG>JJ and you are gonna throw a hissy fit because nobody agrees with you? You have way too much love for BG. JJ is "240-lbs of crap?" Let's see what happens to BG if he was going to be forced to defend him in the post.

And you actually brought the age argument up... JJ is not that athletic of a player... he's just very VERY skilled. Hell, BG isn't much more athletic than JJ anyway...

JJ will be > BG til the day they both die.

Just watch in couple of years when JJ turns into Jalen Rose during his Bulls years

 

[X]

O ok so will you be leading the charge for when Boozer is posting up too much and taking away the ball from Rose

Since Boozer has only once in his career put up as many shots per game in a season as Gordon did in his last season with the Bulls (and, by the way, Boozer made 55% that year), no, I probably won't care as much...especially since most of his shots will come directly off passes from Rose in the screen-and-roll.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Just watch in couple of years when JJ turns into Jalen Rose during his Bulls years

that's not a very good comparison at all... and besides, JJ is way better than BG right now and always has been. I don't see why that would change.

 

[TheStig]

How did we get to comparing BG and JJ? JJ is better, thats why he just signed a deal for about twice as much as BG. JJ was never a realistic option for this team, BG was.

 

[TheStig]

I want you to recall every minute after the 8th one of that game, where he went something like 4-25 from the field. You say all we remember are his bad performances...you only seem to remember his good ones...down to "the beginning of the game"...

Wow really? you remember 4/25? WRONG!!!!!

Let me refresh your memory. He went 7/23 and got 15 free throws. Getting to the line when your shot is off is a good thing. He led the team in points, fts and assists. In the end, he scored a third of our points that game. It wasn't his best game but it was far from a bad game and without him, we'd have had no chance.

 

[TheStig]

that's not a very good comparison at all... and besides, JJ is way better than BG right now and always has been. I don't see why that would change.

Not saying it will happen but JJ's stats project like Jalen Rose's did. I wouldn't be surprised if his contract was pretty untouchable in 3-4 years. But he is and has been better than BG so far. I don't understand where the comparison came from. Dollar for Dollar, I'd rather have BG since he makes about half as much and JJ isn't anywhere near twice as good.

 

[pinkizdead]

The comparison came from the outlandish comment that ben gordon was not worth 9 million a year. Then Rami went on to name a few terrible shooting guards that he believed were worth that amount. JJ and Crawford top that list. :-/

Frankly i think it's a bargain to get gordon anywhere around that figure.

I'm not happy gordon is gone, but i do view gordon as the enemy. From now on, i hope he plays terribly when we see him. However, i'm not Special person. Gordon is worth 8-11 million. He was a good bull, and a fine member of the bulls organization.


but here's something to think about

the PER's for JJ and BJ

For JJ in his time with all star PG steve nash, IN THE PLAYOFFS, he had 04/05 - 18.4% After His departure, he boasted a stunning 15.8 in 07-08. In 07-08 his per 'grew' to a staggering 12.5. Recently he had a whopping 14.5. ALSO his true shooting average of .493 seems a bit more inflated after looking at the averages. .504, .478, .452. and .410 were his averages in descending order except for his one exceptional season in pheonix, where he received a .606

Also unlike johnson, Gordon's PER during the playoffs has increased from going to a low of 12 in 05/06 in the to 16 and 15.8

Conversely gordon had a true shooting percentage of .543 in the playoffs. In fact he's never dipped below .5 with percentages of .512, .515, .584, .536(I realize there is a dip, but one shouldn't forget he was injured for half of this series)

Joe Johnson NBA & ABA Statistics | Basketball-Reference.com

just in case you guys want to fact check.

 

[pinkizdead]

also here's some stuff from doug's blog about joe johnson.
If the Bulls sign Joe Johnson to a max deal this summer was a failure - Chicago Bulls Confidential

"Joe Johnson is also not a great defender and as he ages and loses lateral quickness he'll become a greater liability. The thing is, speed kills in the NBA, and Johnson isn't fast. There's a reason why there aren't 6'8 SGs in the NBA as a general rule, they aren't fast enough to defend the position, and neither is Johnson. He's a SF masquerading as a SG.

With all of his glorious height, Joe Johnson rebounds about as much as Ben Gordon which should tell you something, and in my opinion, he defends about as much as well"

 

[X]

also here's some stuff from doug's blog about joe johnson.
If the Bulls sign Joe Johnson to a max deal this summer was a failure - Chicago Bulls Confidential

"Joe Johnson is also not a great defender and as he ages and loses lateral quickness he'll become a greater liability. The thing is, speed kills in the NBA, and Johnson isn't fast. There's a reason why there aren't 6'8 SGs in the NBA as a general rule, they aren't fast enough to defend the position, and neither is Johnson. He's a SF masquerading as a SG.

With all of his glorious height, Joe Johnson rebounds about as much as Ben Gordon which should tell you something, and in my opinion, he defends about as much as well"

Why should I take any stock into this? I could've written it...for all I know, you did.

Look, bud. You threw up arguments, and I shut them down with FACTS. Stats to back them up.

Were you the one that said JJ's career averages were worse than Gordon's?

lulz.

 

[Bullseye Mark]

Why should I take any stock into this? I could've written it...for all I know, you did.

Look, bud. You threw up arguments, and I shut them down with FACTS. Stats to back them up.

Were you the one that said JJ's career averages were worse than Gordon's?

lulz.

Zap!?!?!??!

 

[pinkizdead]

The comparison came from the outlandish comment that ben gordon was not worth 9 million a year. Then Rami went on to name a few terrible shooting guards that he believed were worth that amount. JJ and Crawford top that list. :-/

Frankly i think it's a bargain to get gordon anywhere around that figure.

I'm not happy gordon is gone, but i do view gordon as the enemy. From now on, i hope he plays terribly when we see him. However, i'm not Special person. Gordon is worth 8-11 million. He was a good bull, and a fine member of the bulls organization.


but here's something to think about

the PER's for JJ and BJ

For JJ in his time with all star PG steve nash, IN THE PLAYOFFS, he had 04/05 - 18.4% After His departure, he boasted a stunning 15.8 in 07-08. In 07-08 his per 'grew' to a staggering 12.5. Recently he had a whopping 14.5. ALSO his true shooting average of .493 seems a bit more inflated after looking at the averages. .504, .478, .452. and .410 were his averages in descending order except for his one exceptional season in pheonix, where he received a .606

Also unlike johnson, Gordon's PER during the playoffs has increased from going to a low of 12 in 05/06 in the to 16 and 15.8

Conversely gordon had a true shooting percentage of .543 in the playoffs. In fact he's never dipped below .5 with percentages of .512, .515, .584, .536(I realize there is a dip, but one shouldn't forget he was injured for half of this series)

Joe Johnson NBA & ABA Statistics | Basketball-Reference.com

just in case you guys want to fact check.

you haven't responded to these stats.

lulz.

 

[TheStig]

Why should I take any stock into this? I could've written it...for all I know, you did.

Look, bud. You threw up arguments, and I shut them down with FACTS. Stats to back them up.

Were you the one that said JJ's career averages were worse than Gordon's?

lulz.

Well then, why don't you get on bulls confidential (a tribune site) and write an article?

 

[X]

Well then, why don't you get on bulls confidential (a tribune site) and write an article?

About why a player that we had 2 years was good for us, but I'm not upset that he's gone?

 

[TheStig]

About why a player that we had 2 years was good for us, but I'm not upset that he's gone?

Go write about whatever you want since its so easy to do. I am saying that site and Doug are a fairly reliable source and he is probably my favorite sports writer. Discounting the site as something you could have done is ridiculous. While it isn't ESPN, its still a very good site.

 

[X]

The comparison came from the outlandish comment that ben gordon was not worth 9 million a year. Then Rami went on to name a few terrible shooting guards that he believed were worth that amount. JJ and Crawford top that list. :-/

Frankly i think it's a bargain to get gordon anywhere around that figure.

I'm not happy gordon is gone, but i do view gordon as the enemy. From now on, i hope he plays terribly when we see him. However, i'm not Special person. Gordon is worth 8-11 million. He was a good bull, and a fine member of the bulls organization.


but here's something to think about

the PER's for JJ and BJ

For JJ in his time with all star PG steve nash, IN THE PLAYOFFS, he had 04/05 - 18.4% After His departure, he boasted a stunning 15.8 in 07-08. In 07-08 his per 'grew' to a staggering 12.5. Recently he had a whopping 14.5. ALSO his true shooting average of .493 seems a bit more inflated after looking at the averages. .504, .478, .452. and .410 were his averages in descending order except for his one exceptional season in pheonix, where he received a .606

Also unlike johnson, Gordon's PER during the playoffs has increased from going to a low of 12 in 05/06 in the to 16 and 15.8

Conversely gordon had a true shooting percentage of .543 in the playoffs. In fact he's never dipped below .5 with percentages of .512, .515, .584, .536(I realize there is a dip, but one shouldn't forget he was injured for half of this series)

Joe Johnson NBA & ABA Statistics | Basketball-Reference.com

just in case you guys want to fact check.

Doesn't True Shooting % factor in free throws?
lol.

I know Gordon's an above avg. FT shooter...he's around 84% for his career. Still doesn't excuse him from jacking up bad shots on a gimp leg in the boston series. I don't think his injury should excuse those shots, either. That's stupid. If ya can't shoot, quit shooting.

 

[X]

Go write about whatever you want since its so easy to do. I am saying that site and Doug are a fairly reliable source and he is probably my favorite sports writer. Discounting the site as something you could have done is ridiculous. While it isn't ESPN, its still a very good site.

I didn't discount the article...just said it's an article. It's opinionated. You can spin things to say whatever you want them to.

 

[TheStig]

I didn't discount the article...just said it's an article. It's opinionated. You can spin things to say whatever you want them to.

You didn't?

Why should I take any stock into this? I could've written it...for all I know, you did.

Look, bud. You threw up arguments, and I shut them down with FACTS. Stats to back them up.

Were you the one that said JJ's career averages were worse than Gordon's?

lulz.

Typically saying "Why should I take any stock into this? I could've written it... for all I know, you did" sounds like discounting it to me. I don't think I am spinning it but I could just be opinionated.