Blackhawks 2015-16 Team Discussion Thread

[winos5]

Pens paying 1/3 of Scud's salary. If it creates cap space to keep someone in the "core" or get a good player at the deadline later it was worth it. Daley wasn't fitting into the role. Makes loosing Sharp, Johns and Oduya more painful but that's roster management under the salary cap. Can't keep everyone.

 

[BlackHawkPaul]

Correct, I mean that is a point I made in the post that you quoted.

That's the thing, people think that Q hates young players. Incorrect, Q hates players that are sound defensively and aren't consistent. Unfortunately, it became apparent that Daley fit into that category and he wasn't going to succeed with the Blackhawks because he wasn't sound defensively and wasn't consistent.

Yeah, it was late and I read 50% of posts past midnight. My bad.

 

[PatrickShart]

I would rather they roll out Montador's corpse over this guy. He'd be faster

 

[winos5]

Whoever compared Scud to Sopel is spot on. I think he'll fit the 5/6 role fine.

 

[PatrickShart]

Whoever compared Scud to Sopel is spot on. I think he'll fit the 5/6 role fine.

Sure...2015 Sopel....he's just as good as him.

 

[ClydeLee]

I don't know if you are quite giving TVR the credit that he deserves at the moment. I think we all have a skewed idea of what a #4 dman should look like thanks to Oduya, who was one hell of a #4. I think he has actually stepped into the role nicely and has proven that he can be and currently is a #4 dman. I think ideally we would all like to see him be a #5 guy but that is only because that means the Blackhawks have a dman who is better than him and that would simply improve the whole team. I don't know where TVRs future takes him because he really did have a nice offensive touch at the college level that hasn't quite shown at the NHL level and it seems he may be a Dman who does everything well but not great. Luckily, TVR is young and seems like he is improving while learning on the job.

People also seem to have some skewed view of what Oduya was, because the playoffs were solid and good but it's not like he was well enjoyed and a thrill to watch most of last season. He was pretty bad at times though he did have spurts playing beside Rozi which weren't helpful for a pairing.

I thought TVR was showing more offense side really well when Keith was out and he was besides Hammer, he isn't really going for it as much if he's paired with Keith/Seabs who certainly are offering more than him, but his skating and reacting in the Ozone was pretty strong. It would be interesting to see if there is games with Rundblad scratched, how do they do the 2nd PP unit, the left point would be opened then and perhaps he can get some time on that spot without Daley around.

 

[mikita's helmet]

Blackhawks GM turns Trevor Daley lemon into salary cap lemonade

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-p...lemon-into-salary-cap-lemonade-160722743.html

 

[MassHavoc]

Blackhawks GM turns Trevor Daley lemon into salary cap lemonade

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-p...lemon-into-salary-cap-lemonade-160722743.html

Sorry, i'm confused, if Daley was making 3.3 and Scuds is making 2.25, why did the "Penguins are retaining one-third of Scuderi’s salary to make this deal work" It's worded weird as if they had to keep one third in order to make the deal work under the cap somehow, but if Daley is 1 mil more, that's a 1 mil cap savings right there, plus if the pens are retaining 750k that's another savings so do they get about 1.75 mil cap savings in this trade? (prorated I assume of course) that's more than a "sliver of cap savings could be huge down the line" isn't it?

 

[Samurai]

Apparently, the trade was Daley's idea.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/trevor-daley-on-time-with-blackhawks---i-felt-that-i-needed-to-play-194356855.html

 

[ClydeLee]

Sorry, i'm confused, if Daley was making 3.3 and Scuds is making 2.25, why did the "Penguins are retaining one-third of Scuderi’s salary to make this deal work" It's worded weird as if they had to keep one third in order to make the deal work under the cap somehow, but if Daley is 1 mil more, that's a 1 mil cap savings right there, plus if the pens are retaining 750k that's another savings so do they get about 1.75 mil cap savings in this trade? (prorated I assume of course) that's more than a "sliver of cap savings could be huge down the line" isn't it?

They don't mean work capwise, they just mean value tradewise.

 

[Raskolnikov]

Sorry, i'm confused, if Daley was making 3.3 and Scuds is making 2.25, why did the "Penguins are retaining one-third of Scuderi’s salary to make this deal work" It's worded weird as if they had to keep one third in order to make the deal work under the cap somehow, but if Daley is 1 mil more, that's a 1 mil cap savings right there, plus if the pens are retaining 750k that's another savings so do they get about 1.75 mil cap savings in this trade? (prorated I assume of course) that's more than a "sliver of cap savings could be huge down the line" isn't it?

They mean his Blackhawks cap hit is still 2.25 million after Penguins contribution is accounted for. http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nhl-puck-daddy/rob-scuderi-returns-penguins-signs-4-13-5-174821438.html;_ylt=AwrC1CpRp3BWJh4Ah9NNbK5_;_ylu=X3oDMTByMDgyYjJiBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMyBHZ0aWQDBHNlYwNzYw--

He was making 4 years 13.5 million. Or a little more than Daley was actually. The Blackhawks wanted the cap relief to make the deal work, and I would they they would be best suited to trade Scuderi for further cap savings and bring up a Gustafson, Pokka, or Svedlurch.

Daley was making way too much for a 5th defenseman on this roster, this is more of a 5th defenseman for 5th defenseman player.

I'm hoping someone who you all are reporting to be this slow at least can handle the puck. Is he mean and strong in front of the net? Does he let the puck run for him like Rozy? Maybe the dinosaurs can at least rough some people up and make their lives in front of net painful.

 

[MassHavoc]

Got if that makes more sense.

 

[Raskolnikov]

The first thing they are doing is trying T-Roz and Stegasaurus.

This could mean either

1)they envisioned this deal when they made the pairing
2) Or T-Roz is done and they acquired a similar player to fill the roll, but are going to see if they pair together before acquiring another D-Man.

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

The first thing they are doing is trying T-Roz and Stegasaurus.

This could mean either

1)they envisioned this deal when they made the pairing
2) Or T-Roz is done and they acquired a similar player to fill the roll, but are going to see if they pair together before acquiring another D-Man.

Stfu junkie.

 

[DMelt36]

The first thing they are doing is trying T-Roz and Stegasaurus.

This could mean either

1)they envisioned this deal when they made the pairing
2) Or T-Roz is done and they acquired a similar player to fill the roll, but are going to see if they pair together before acquiring another D-Man.

I think they did that to torture Hawks fans.

 

[Mattia]

Not a bad trade for me. Free some cap space, get a better stay at home D (than Daley) playing time in PK...Daley was terrible on defense and not adding anything on offense. I would have expected more from him

 

[HawkWriter]

Not a bad trade for me. Free some cap space, get a better stay at home D (than Daley) playing time in PK...Daley was terrible on defense and not adding anything on offense. I would have expected more from him

I think the trade only becomes a good one if the Blackhawks are able to turn that extra cap space into something. Scuderi does do some things better than Daley, but it is certainly a downgrade overall for the defense.

 

[Mattia]

Well I think it should be like u said, but unfortunately Daley totally struggled both on offense (where he could have added something) and defensively. So Let's try Scudieri that can better play in some situations (PK). Then yes we may add someone else before the trade deadline

 

[Diehardfan]

Five years ago the Hawks were probably a top three in overall team speed. Cap issues, player aging and acquisitions like Runblad, Rozy and Scuderi would probably put them in the bottom half of the league today. Other than cap relief, I can't see where this trade is helping them on any front.

 

[winos5]

Runblad's problem is he coughs the puck up when fore checked and he does not have much of a checking game himself. He's a lot of things bad, but slow/bad skater is not one of them.