Blackhawks 2022-23 SEASON THREAD

[LordKOTL]

Retained Salary​

When teams trade a player, they can retain, or keep, some of the players' salary and cap hit. The team keeps a % of both the cap hit and salary for the remainder of the contract.
Therefore, if a Player with a Salary of $2.0M and a Cap Hit/AAV of $3.0M is traded with 20% retention, the trading team would continue to pay 20% of the $2.0M Salary and would continue to have a cap hit of 20% of the $3.0M Cap Hit.
The maximum retention % is 50%.
Teams can only carry a maximum of 3 Retained Salaries at a time.
An individual contract can only have a maximum of 2 teams retaining salary on it.
The maximum amount of retained salary by a team is 15% of the Salary Cap for the current year.
If a team retains salary on a traded player and that player is later sent to the minors, there is no change to the cap hit for the retaining team.
If a team retains salary on a trade, they cannot reacquire that player for one year from the date of the transaction, unless the contract ends prior to one year.
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so here is the big question, the hawks can't do a fire sale on all these guys some on here post they want to see traded depending on the teams they deal with unless they work a lot of 3 way deals. Cause if I'm understanding this right you trade Kaner and Toews with retain salary and you already have Peter Mrazek? anyone know if this is correct.

As far as I can tell on Cap Friendly the 'hawks have 3 RSA slots available. RSA slots are when you retain, not when someone else retains.

The biggest issue right now is Toews and Kane's NMC. If they don't waive they aren't going anywhere. No matter how much we'd like to think they want out, ultimately it's up to them.

Assuming the 'hawks retain 50% on both Toews and Kane, that puts them RSA for this year at 10.5M, which only allows for only 1.875M for the remaining of this season. So that being said if the 'hawks manage to move T+K at 50% retained, that's what they got to work with.

You also have to figure that the 'hawks are one of the worst teams in the league, and a lot of teams will probably be asking for a pick coming back if they take high cap salaries off our hands--at least to start with. This is where it might be dicey to judge KD--if Toews and Kane don't move it might be because they didn't waive, or any move for them was depending on up moving a high pick or a blue-chip prospect with them. I might not be because he asked for too much. We just don't know. I'd like to think Toews or Kane could me moved if they waive to a team poised for a deep run without us sending a sweetener in return (especially if we take some dead cap off their hands in return). But looking at the cap hits, it doesn't look like there's many teams poised for a run that have free cap--maybe Colorado can pull a 2015 'hawks with Landeskog on LTIR. I just don't really see anyone on their roster who might be dead cap moving back.

I have a gut feeling that, especially with Toews and Kane, if there is a move (i.e., they waive) out there and it doesn't hurt the rebuild, KD will make it. I could be wrong there, but I do think almost every current asset is avaliable as long as theyr'e not blocked by a clause. I think the only untouchables are guys like Korch, Reichel, and of course our high picks.

 

[MassHavoc]

March 3rd feels like such a crazy late deadline?

 

[KBIB]

Retained Salary​

When teams trade a player, they can retain, or keep, some of the players' salary and cap hit. The team keeps a % of both the cap hit and salary for the remainder of the contract.
Therefore, if a Player with a Salary of $2.0M and a Cap Hit/AAV of $3.0M is traded with 20% retention, the trading team would continue to pay 20% of the $2.0M Salary and would continue to have a cap hit of 20% of the $3.0M Cap Hit.
The maximum retention % is 50%.
Teams can only carry a maximum of 3 Retained Salaries at a time.
An individual contract can only have a maximum of 2 teams retaining salary on it.
The maximum amount of retained salary by a team is 15% of the Salary Cap for the current year.
If a team retains salary on a traded player and that player is later sent to the minors, there is no change to the cap hit for the retaining team.
If a team retains salary on a trade, they cannot reacquire that player for one year from the date of the transaction, unless the contract ends prior to one year.
Ask A Question

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so here is the big question, the hawks can't do a fire sale on all these guys some on here post they want to see traded depending on the teams they deal with unless they work a lot of 3 way deals. Cause if I'm understanding this right you trade Kaner and Toews with retain salary and you already have Peter Mrazek? anyone know if this is correct.

I think the Hawks have all three retention spots available. I know they retained on Matta and I think that’s over.

The Leafs are retaining on Mrazek. That has nothing to do with the Hawks.

If the Hawks retain 50% on T/K, their cap hit drops to 5 million. Kane at 5 million should have a bidding war if he didn’t have the Stanbo special NMC thrown in.

Toews at 5 million is probably what his value is right now with most of that value being in his faceoff skills and playoff experience. A lot of ppl like to point out how much his numbers have dropped off and they have, obviously, but winning when it matters is a skill few have and something you can’t coach.

Murphy and McCabe are both on good contracts for top four defenders. The Hawks should get first round picks for both because they are top six defenseman on every team in the nhl who can go up and down the pairings if needed.

All and all, I don’t think KD has the balls to trade Kane or Toews and both will get extended only because the Hawks will have issues with hitting the cap floor next year.

Bedard/Kane would be fun to watch, but they will have to average 8 goals a game cuz this team will be really, really bad on defense and in goal for the next few years.

 

[LordKOTL]

Saw some guy on Twitter say that you can't judge Hull through a 2023 lens.

I'd like to know when beating your wife was ever not frowned upon.

I think the Hawks have all three retention spots available. I know they retained on Matta and I think that’s over.

The Leafs are retaining on Mrazek. That has nothing to do with the Hawks.

If the Hawks retain 50% on T/K, their cap hit drops to 5 million. Kane at 5 million should have a bidding war if he didn’t have the Stanbo special NMC thrown in.

Toews at 5 million is probably what his value is right now with most of that value being in his faceoff skills and playoff experience. A lot of ppl like to point out how much his numbers have dropped off and they have, obviously, but winning when it matters is a skill few have and something you can’t coach.

Murphy and McCabe are both on good contracts for top four defenders. The Hawks should get first round picks for both because they are top six defenseman on every team in the nhl who can go up and down the pairings if needed.

All and all, I don’t think KD has the balls to trade Kane or Toews and both will get extended only because the Hawks will have issues with hitting the cap floor next year.

Bedard/Kane would be fun to watch, but they will have to average 8 goals a game cuz this team will be really, really bad on defense and in goal for the next few years.

Ehh...I would say mid-pair as opposed to top-4. I think they only break into the top-2 if the defense sucks shit through a sewerpipe--like ours does. On the flipside neither would break into the top 4 on any of our cup teams; the only one they could arguably displace is Oduya, and even that's doubtful in my opinion. They can play up and down the defensive pairing lineup as needed, but I think they are mid-4 on a team with decent, not all-world D.

That being said, I'm not sure if they garner a 1st unless it's a late 1st. I'd think late 1st/early 2nd unless we're taking baggage back--certainly not a lottery pick 1st unless the deal is sweetened or we take garbage back, but then again a playoff team looking to suppliment their D might be a late 1st.

 

[Gustavus Adolphus]

Ehh...I would say mid-pair as opposed to top-4. I think they only break into the top-2 if the defense sucks shit through a sewerpipe--like ours does. On the flipside neither would break into the top 4 on any of our cup teams; the only one they could arguably displace is Oduya, and even that's doubtful in my opinion. They can play up and down the defensive pairing lineup as needed, but I think they are mid-4 on a team with decent, not all-world D.

That being said, I'm not sure if they garner a 1st unless it's a late 1st. I'd think late 1st/early 2nd unless we're taking baggage back--certainly not a lottery pick 1st unless the deal is sweetened or we take garbage back, but then again a playoff team looking to suppliment their D might be a late 1st.

Why in the blue hell did you quote my post?

 

[KBIB]

Ehh...I would say mid-pair as opposed to top-4. I think they only break into the top-2 if the defense sucks shit through a sewerpipe--like ours does. On the flipside neither would break into the top 4 on any of our cup teams; the only one they could arguably displace is Oduya, and even that's doubtful in my opinion. They can play up and down the defensive pairing lineup as needed, but I think they are mid-4 on a team with decent, not all-world D.

That being said, I'm not sure if they garner a 1st unless it's a late 1st. I'd think late 1st/early 2nd unless we're taking baggage back--certainly not a lottery pick 1st unless the deal is sweetened or we take garbage back, but then again a playoff team looking to suppliment their D might be a late 1st.

I’d be more then happy with late firsts, early second rounders for both.

This team needs three years of high first rounders and two years to develop those kids, so five years out from actually being a 500 team isn’t that bad.

 

[LordKOTL]

Why in the blue hell did you quote my post?

Don't know. I blame the mobile interface and Colby Cohen.

 

[Raskolnikov]

As far as I can tell on Cap Friendly the 'hawks have 3 RSA slots available. RSA slots are when you retain, not when someone else retains.

The biggest issue right now is Toews and Kane's NMC. If they don't waive they aren't going anywhere. No matter how much we'd like to think they want out, ultimately it's up to them.

Assuming the 'hawks retain 50% on both Toews and Kane, that puts them RSA for this year at 10.5M, which only allows for only 1.875M for the remaining of this season. So that being said if the 'hawks manage to move T+K at 50% retained, that's what they got to work with.

You also have to figure that the 'hawks are one of the worst teams in the league, and a lot of teams will probably be asking for a pick coming back if they take high cap salaries off our hands--at least to start with. This is where it might be dicey to judge KD--if Toews and Kane don't move it might be because they didn't waive, or any move for them was depending on up moving a high pick or a blue-chip prospect with them. I might not be because he asked for too much. We just don't know. I'd like to think Toews or Kane could me moved if they waive to a team poised for a deep run without us sending a sweetener in return (especially if we take some dead cap off their hands in return). But looking at the cap hits, it doesn't look like there's many teams poised for a run that have free cap--maybe Colorado can pull a 2015 'hawks with Landeskog on LTIR. I just don't really see anyone on their roster who might be dead cap moving back.

I have a gut feeling that, especially with Toews and Kane, if there is a move (i.e., they waive) out there and it doesn't hurt the rebuild, KD will make it. I could be wrong there, but I do think almost every current asset is avaliable as long as theyr'e not blocked by a clause. I think the only untouchables are guys like Korch, Reichel, and of course our high picks.

If Cat and Dach weren’t safe I don’t see why Reichel is.

The right priced can will get kicked down the road I would imagine, especially with a forward.

 

[KBIB]

I’ve been watching a lot of this Russian kid Ilya Safonov. This kid is a fucking beast. When ppl are comparing him to Malkin and Jagr, I’ll watch a few of his games.

The Hawks have his rights and will be hopefully signed by the time Michkov comes over. He’s under contract until 25, so that’s pretty much the time frame.

This is the guy who broke Dachs wrist. He put a nasty lump on some guys head in a fight. I haven’t read that paywalled rankings shit, but this guy is clearly the Hawks number one prospect right now not named Reichel.

And who would have thought Reichel is just as fast as McDavid? Tis a shame he’s wasting his speed in the A right now when the Hawks could use it. It’s not like they’re not going to keep losing or anything… oh wait, when Reichel was up here he was bringing a high skill set, never mind….

 

[Raskolnikov]

I’ve been watching a lot of this Russian kid Ilya Safonov. This kid is a fucking beast. When ppl are comparing him to Malkin and Jagr, I’ll watch a few of his games.

The Hawks have his rights and will be hopefully signed by the time Michkov comes over. He’s under contract until 25, so that’s pretty much the time frame.

This is the guy who broke Dachs wrist. He put a nasty lump on some guys head in a fight. I haven’t read that paywalled rankings shit, but this guy is clearly the Hawks number one prospect right now not named Reichel.

And who would have thought Reichel is just as fast as McDavid? Tis a shame he’s wasting his speed in the A right now when the Hawks could use it. It’s not like they’re not going to keep losing or anything… oh wait, when Reichel was up here he was bringing a high skill set, never mind….

I've seen other guys in the league almost as fast as McDavid, especially in a straight line sprint, but I've never seen anybody functionally carry the puck in blazing fast tormenting circles around the O-zone for entire periods when needed like McDavid.

 

[KBIB]

I've seen other guys in the league almost as fast as McDavid, especially in a straight line sprint, but I've never seen anybody functionally carry the puck in blazing fast tormenting circles around the O-zone for entire periods when needed like McDavid.

Yeah I don’t think anybody in the leagues history has the eye hand coordination McDavid has. That’s not a knock on anybody, McD is just better.

Still, when KD is talking about how this team needs speed and size, he has that toiling away in the minors. If there really was something the kid can work on, let him stay there, but he’s as polished a product as the Hawks have.

If he’s going to be stuck playing with nobodies let him do it in the nhl already

 

[MassHavoc]

Injury updates...

Blackhawks return from bye week with plenty of good injury news

Tyler Johnson will return Tuesday, Jarred Tinordi could return Friday and Alex Stalock and Jujhar Khaira are trending in the right direction. Jonathan Toews’ pattern of illnesses is becoming worrisome, however.

chicago.suntimes.com

Still weird feelings, becuase on one hand I'm like great, let's get them whole. But then I remember we're 6-4 in the last 10 so maybe we don't need them because we sucked with them, but then I try to remind myself we need to suck... but the trade deadline is happening so we need good players to trade... Being a fan is too fucking complicated anymore.

 

[Raskolnikov]

@KBIB @LordKOTL

Let’s say you land Bedard, our Russian phenom defects, Reichel comes up…Kane is still here

Do you trade the Toews Carolina first rounder, Korchinski, 2024 first rounder, 2025 first rounder for Draisatl?

1. What else would we have to include?
2.Would they bite?
3. Do you do it?

 

[ytsejam]

Kane undecided on trade amid interest from teams

Blackhawks star Patrick Kane said Monday he has had discussions with his agent about teams interested in trading for him, but has yet to decide whether he'll waive his no-movement clause.

www.espn.com

 

[KBIB]

@KBIB @LordKOTL

Let’s say you land Bedard, our Russian phenom defects, Reichel comes up…Kane is still here

Do you trade the Toews Carolina first rounder, Korchinski, 2024 first rounder, 2025 first rounder for Draisatl?

1. What else would we have to include?
2.Would they bite?
3. Do you do it?

Drais contract ends in 25. If you want him at 29 years of age you just wait and don’t give up all that draft capital that the Hawks need more then one superstar. Who wouldn’t want Drai? I sure as **** would, but losing draft picks to get him is another Seth Jones type, Blowman scheme.

2024 is top heavy with elite talent in the top five and in 25 is the next Bedard. The Hawks aren’t competing until 2025 anyways so if you do land Bedard you just develop him.

The Hawks have three very good defenseman prospects with one being very, very good. This is all a waiting game on developing these kids. This is the hard part of a rebuild. If your going to do it, you gotta stick with it.

 

[KBIB]

Draft update;

Fantilli has 18 points in his last 8 games. He looked like dog shit in the WJC but that’s unfair because everyone looked like dogshit next to Bedard. If I have the second pick, I don’t know if I take Fantilli over Michkov because Michkov is going to be a 50 goal a year guy in the NHL.

If the RussIan factor falls into play and Michkov drops, KD has to figure out something and get another top five pick.

Right now I have it;

1. Bedard



2. Michkov



3. Fantilli
4. Carlsson

That’s how I have it, but I know Fantilli is going second.

 

[Granada]

Injury updates...

Blackhawks return from bye week with plenty of good injury news

Tyler Johnson will return Tuesday, Jarred Tinordi could return Friday and Alex Stalock and Jujhar Khaira are trending in the right direction. Jonathan Toews’ pattern of illnesses is becoming worrisome, however.

chicago.suntimes.com

Still weird feelings, becuase on one hand I'm like great, let's get them whole. But then I remember we're 6-4 in the last 10 so maybe we don't need them because we sucked with them, but then I try to remind myself we need to suck... but the trade deadline is happening so we need good players to trade... Being a fan is too fucking complicated anymore.

I'd be shocked if Johnson could even be moved. Guy is extremely injury-prone with a horrible contract, the Hawks will be stuck with him. I don't think any of those guys fetch much, if they're even movable. I'll be glad when Tinordi is back because I like his style of play.

 

[Raskolnikov]

I am starting to think about keeping some guys like Tinordi, Domi, Anathssou who are scheme fits.

The reason is you can trade them for value next year.

The case to keep Kane and Toews is this ...

Toews may not bring back much with his salary. He is ready for pasture but retirement with hawks may be near. With Toews I say you do whatever Toews asks and not worry about return.

Kane on the other hand ...is a what if you do land Bedard.

Bedard-Anathosou-Kane,
Reichel-Domi-Russian phenom
BigJ-Toews-Lafferty,

How do Bedards line mates compare to McDavids in jr's? McDavid certainly had NHL help next to him.

 

[MassHavoc]

I'd be shocked if Johnson could even be moved. Guy is extremely injury-prone with a horrible contract, the Hawks will be stuck with him. I don't think any of those guys fetch much, if they're even movable. I'll be glad when Tinordi is back because I like his style of play.

I was thinking more that Johnson would be taking up a spot for a guy they could showcase to trade cuz I don't think he's moving like you said but who knows.

 

[Granada]

I am starting to think about keeping some guys like Tinordi, Domi, Anathssou who are scheme fits.

The reason is you can trade them for value next year.

The case to keep Kane and Toews is this ...

Toews may not bring back much with his salary. He is ready for pasture but retirement with hawks may be near. With Toews I say you do whatever Toews asks and not worry about return.

Kane on the other hand ...is a what if you do land Bedard.

Bedard-Anathosou-Kane,
Reichel-Domi-Russian phenom
BigJ-Toews-Lafferty,

How do Bedards line mates compare to McDavids in jr's? McDavid certainly had NHL help next to him.

Tinordi and Domi, I'd be fine with keeping them. That's assuming Domi doesn't want the moon. You need sandpaper on a rebuilding team.

That said, if you can get a good haul for Domi at the deadline, you move him. Athanisiou, I think you move him no matter what.

I don't see any scenario where Toews is reupped. Love the guy, love what he did for this franchise, but that would be a big mistake to re-sign him. I think he retires at the year's end, which I'd almost be happy about. He could say he played his entire career with one team, and we as fans wouldn't have to stomach seeing him in another uniform. Sure, we'd miss out on some sort of return (who knows what that would be), but still, I'd be fine with it.