Blackhawks 2022-23 SEASON THREAD

[MassHavoc]

I don't like that for Kane has to be more somewhere unless it's just a about purely satiating his demands for all he's done.

Separately I do sorta agree what was said earlier about KD needing to start trading for picks earlier but I think their are still a lot of trades out there to become a financial third wheel on like os proposed in the kane trade. Taking picks and dead weight off of a team to complete a mega trade could still happen. I think. I wonder too if we can trade the new shit guy again and retain salary on him or if Ottawa already did.

 

[RacerX]

I don't like that for Kane has to be more somewhere unless it's just a about purely satiating his demands for all he's done.

Separately I do sorta agree what was said earlier about KD needing to start trading for picks earlier but I think their are still a lot of trades out there to become a financial third wheel on like os proposed in the kane trade. Taking picks and dead weight off of a team to complete a mega trade could still happen. I think. I wonder too if we can trade the new shit guy again and retain salary on him or if Ottawa already did.

Upvoted for “new shit guy” reference.

 

[KBIB]

I'm getting more and more displeased with Davidson. Seems to be always late in pulling the trigger where he ends up getting locked out. Plus he gets rave reviews on the Ottawa trade....which is only good if he doesn't **** up the picks he makes. Of course, the tank and everything else is based on how he drafts.....the thing is....nobody knows. Procrastination can be a killer. If this is all he can get for Kane, you might as well resign him and move Domi. He's younger, cheaper, having a better year and could probably pull in more assets. But again, it all depends on how he drafts and given that most of his GM training came from Bowman....no one should be overly confident.

I 100% agree with this. I’m willing to throw him a mulligan for last years draft considering they didn’t have a ton of time to analyze it. I’m not giving anybody credit when the actual best prospects on this team are still Blowman drafted.

But, after Kane telling the truth to the media about how the higher ups are fucking everything and all the players they touch up, I can’t see him staying when he shouldn’t be traded at all even with video of Kane asking Seth “wtf are you doing” while on the ice.

But, I seriously think something stinks with this front office. I honestly think Blowman still has influence and KD is nothing but a smoke screen puppet and that the whole Americas got Talent search last year for a GM was nothing but a gimmick. They praised his draft last year but gloss over what he gave up to get those picks. Lazar is a Blowman special while Korchinski just might become the next Gus. We don’t know.

Time will tell. If the Hawks get the first pick and they pass on Bedard I promise everyone your never going to see me on this forum ever again.

 

[Granada]

I'm getting more and more displeased with Davidson. Seems to be always late in pulling the trigger where he ends up getting locked out. Plus he gets rave reviews on the Ottawa trade....which is only good if he doesn't **** up the picks he makes. Of course, the tank and everything else is based on how he drafts.....the thing is....nobody knows. Procrastination can be a killer. If this is all he can get for Kane, you might as well resign him and move Domi. He's younger, cheaper, having a better year and could probably pull in more assets. But again, it all depends on how he drafts and given that most of his GM training came from Bowman....no one should be overly confident.

I don't think this is Davidson's fault, at least in Kane's case. Kane is the one who is seemingly dragging his feet and isn't sure if he wants to leave. If the Rangers are the only place Kane is willing to go, then Davidson really has no choice but to accept the offer, because it's better to get something for him than nothing.

I think people are expecting too much for both Kane and Toews (well, at least when it was still an option to trade him, which it isn't). This return isn't mind-blowing, but it's better than nothing. Overall, so far, Davidson has done a good job in my view. He's fully committed to the rebuild -- that's enough for me right now. Not every move is going to be an absolute slam dunk.

 

[Granada]

I 100% agree with this. I’m willing to throw him a mulligan for last years draft considering they didn’t have a ton of time to analyze it. I’m not giving anybody credit when the actual best prospects on this team are still Blowman drafted.

But, after Kane telling the truth to the media about how the higher ups are fucking everything and all the players they touch up, I can’t see him staying when he shouldn’t be traded at all even with video of Kane asking Seth “wtf are you doing” while on the ice.

But, I seriously think something stinks with this front office. I honestly think Blowman still has influence and KD is nothing but a smoke screen puppet and that the whole Americas got Talent search last year for a GM was nothing but a gimmick. They praised his draft last year but gloss over what he gave up to get those picks. Lazar is a Blowman special while Korchinski just might become the next Gus. We don’t know.

Time will tell. If the Hawks get the first pick and they pass on Bedard I promise everyone your never going to see me on this forum ever again.

 

[Granada]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1628899848404475905

 

[Raskolnikov]

I'm getting more and more displeased with Davidson. Seems to be always late in pulling the trigger where he ends up getting locked out. Plus he gets rave reviews on the Ottawa trade....which is only good if he doesn't **** up the picks he makes. Of course, the tank and everything else is based on how he drafts.....the thing is....nobody knows. Procrastination can be a killer. If this is all he can get for Kane, you might as well resign him and move Domi. He's younger, cheaper, having a better year and could probably pull in more assets. But again, it all depends on how he drafts and given that most of his GM training came from Bowman....no one should be overly confident.

If Domi keeps playing like this after Kane is gone could we potentially get more for him next year?

 

[Granada]

If Domi keeps playing like this after Kane is gone could we potentially get more for him next year?

Well, the flip side there would be, what if Domi has a shit year next year? Or an injury?

Assuming the interest is there, you move Domi now while he's hot, whether you're moving Kane or not.

 

[Raskolnikov]

Well, the flip side there would be, what if Domi has a shit year next year? Or an injury?

Assuming the interest is there, you move Domi now while he's hot, whether you're moving Kane or not.

My concern is the perception he is feeding hand to mouth from Kane.

Which is lowering his value, but you are correct, if his production disappears that would be the perception.

Sell the hope to someone now. I'm not clear why most here don't seem to enjoy Domi. To me he's a good all around contributor to any hockey club.

 

[Granada]

My concern is the perception he is feeding hand to mouth from Kane.

Which is lowering his value, but you are correct, if his production disappears that would be the perception.

Sell the hope to someone now. I'm not clear why most here don't seem to enjoy Domi. To me he's a good all around contributor to any hockey club.

I don't think that would lower his value, personally. If anything, it shows he can play in a top-six role, which many players can't do.

But yeah, I like Domi too. He's grown on me since he was acquired. I'd be fine if he wants to stay; it's always good to have scrappy guys on a rebuilding team. Plus, he plays center, is strong at the dot, and won't cost an arm and a leg. Sure, he'll take the occasional stupid penalty, but his pros outweigh that con.

 

[Raskolnikov]

I don't think that would lower his value, personally. If anything, it shows he can play in a top-six role, which many players can't do.

But yeah, I like Domi too. He's grown on me since he was acquired. I'd be fine if he wants to stay; it's always good to have scrappy guys on a rebuilding team. Plus, he plays center, is strong at the dot, and won't cost an arm and a leg. Sure, he'll take the occasional stupid penalty, but his pros outweigh that con.

I agree, with Tinordo and Entwhystle and Dickinson and Domi to help Toews this team hasn't taken a bunch of shit and been abused all season.

I'd like it to stay that way do our young guys have a safe place to develop.

 

[MassHavoc]

I'm getting a little scared that we're starting to see that the Davidson doesn't fall far from the Bowman tree

 

[MassHavoc]

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New York Rangers-Chicago Blackhawks​

Rangers get: RW Patrick Kane, 2023 fourth-round pick
Blackhawks get: RW Vitali Kravtsov, C Jake Leschyshyn, 2024 first-round pick, Colorado's 2023 fourth-round pick
Third-party team gets: Chicago's 2023 fourth-round pick

What a wild few weeks for Patrick Kane. The palpable disappointment after the Rangers, his preferred destination, traded for Vladimir Tarasenko as a top-six right wing instead. Channeling that energy into a four-game Blackhawks' winning streak in which Kane scored seven goals and added three assists, defiantly attempting to calm suitors' doubts on what they believe was a lingering hip injury. There's speculation that the Rangers could still be an option despite the Tarasenko trade, if the accounting is creative enough.

Any deal for Kane begins with the Rangers trading Vitali Kravtsov ($875,000 average annual value) and Jake Leschyshyn ($766,667), to clear out any money they can. They don't want to give up their 2023 first-round pick -- remember, they sent a conditional one to the Blues for Tarasenko -- so they ante up a 2024 first-rounder instead to get the Blackhawks to retain 50% of his salary.

But wait, there's more! The Rangers also swap fourth-round picks with the Blackhawks, sending them the Avs' pick they own this season so the Blackhawks will send their 2023 fourth-rounder to a third-party team, which then takes another 25% off of Kane's salary. Remember, the Wild facilitated the Ryan O'Reilly trade's salary retention for a fourth-rounder.

The Blackhawks get something for a player with an expiring contract and a full no-movement clause. The Rangers add another star to their galaxy at forward; and Patrick Kane gets to reunite with Artemi Panarin and play for the Rangers, which is what he wanted all along. -- Wyshynski

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[MassHavoc]

I should say I don't like that trade at all for Kane I'm a simple basis of the entire point is the stockpile 2023 picks not 2024. I'm sure it'll be a halfway decent pic and player but it also doesn't fit with the rebuild timeline of putting everything all in for next year draft.

 

[KBIB]

I should say I don't like that trade at all for Kane I'm a simple basis of the entire point is the stockpile 2023 picks not 2024. I'm sure it'll be a halfway decent pic and player but it also doesn't fit with the rebuild timeline of putting everything all in for next year draft.

If that’s the basis of the trade, that’s not bad.

The 24 draft isn’t the 23 and the elite talent falls after the top five, but a first rounder is still good.

They can double down with that and the Bolts first and try and get another high first rounder in 25 when the next Bedard is coming out.

Word is the Hawks want Zac Jones in any trade with the Rangers, which is funny considering we have Ian Mitchell already being scratched regularly. Same player.

 

[KBIB]

I'm getting a little scared that we're starting to see that the Davidson doesn't fall far from the Bowman tree

Well…Davidson has no problems ripping other GMs off, where as Blowman always gave up more then he had to.

But….I’m starting to see a lot of smartest guy in the room syndrome with KD and accumulating draft picks, his one job, shouldn’t be this complicated as he’s making it out to be.

You have flipable assets. You have cap space. You have five years to restock. It’s not that complicated. High second round picks are gold and lower second round picks are solid considering the depth of this draft.

McCabe, Murphy should have been gone months ago. There was a span where McCabe was playing like a first pairing guy (granted, it was two games) when he should have been calling playoff teams and telling them “hey, I got your guy for a second round pick and he has term”. It didn’t happen.

And the funny thing- you see in these last few games exactly what a motivated Kane brings to a team. If they didn’t trade Cat and kept Kubalik, and brought up Reichel i wonder if this team isn’t fighting for a wild card considering how shitty the west is.

He has to hit on these draft picks and the jury is still out if he can.

 

[MassHavoc]

If that’s the basis of the trade, that’s not bad.

The 24 draft isn’t the 23 and the elite talent falls after the top five, but a first rounder is still good.

They can double down with that and the Bolts first and try and get another high first rounder in 25 when the next Bedard is coming out.

Word is the Hawks want Zac Jones in any trade with the Rangers, which is funny considering we have Ian Mitchell already being scratched regularly. Same player.

I just want more assets for this draft in order to have the flexibility to upgrade picks we get. If we don't get one maybe we can package to move up which then the 23 had more value.

 

[MassHavoc]

Well…Davidson has no problems ripping other GMs off, where as Blowman always gave up more then he had to.

But….I’m starting to see a lot of smartest guy in the room syndrome with KD and accumulating draft picks, his one job, shouldn’t be this complicated as he’s making it out to be.

You have flipable assets. You have cap space. You have five years to restock. It’s not that complicated. High second round picks are gold and lower second round picks are solid considering the depth of this draft.

McCabe, Murphy should have been gone months ago. There was a span where McCabe was playing like a first pairing guy (granted, it was two games) when he should have been calling playoff teams and telling them “hey, I got your guy for a second round pick and he has term”. It didn’t happen.

And the funny thing- you see in these last few games exactly what a motivated Kane brings to a team. If they didn’t trade Cat and kept Kubalik, and brought up Reichel i wonder if this team isn’t fighting for a wild card considering how shitty the west is.

He has to hit on these draft picks and the jury is still out if he can.

Yeah. This

"But….I’m starting to see a lot of smartest guy in the room syndrome"

This is particularly what I'm starting to get worried about. It's kind of weird to see that the turning point of this dude's job is already here less than 1 year in but essentially if he fucks up this draft this team is done for the long run. It's all been engineered to lead up to a New foundation and he can't **** it up or they'll be dead in the water from the repercussions.

And the big problem I see there is what you pointed to. The smaller guy in the room syndrome. If he doesn't acknowledge that he fucked it up in time to pivot, and tries to pull a Bowman and pretend like it's all part of the plan hanging on to shitty players longer than they need to will turn into his version of bringing back vets that no longer have anything left in the tank

 

[MassHavoc]

"Patrick Kane missed Friday’s practice at Sharks Ice for maintenance, according to a team release. Defenseman Jake McCabe also was held out with a non-COVID-related illness."

 

[Diehardfan]

This guy hasn't shown any more than Bowman did. I said from day one that staying in house was probably not the best way to go. @KBIB is right....this should not be that difficult. Rookie GM probably thinking that other GM's would be falling over themselves to deal because the Hawks have a lot of maneuverability. But, these guys know what they're doing and played him by backing him into a corner. Hopefully he can draft better than he moves people....at this point, I wouldn't count on it.