Blackhawks Continued Success Dale Tallon's Legacy

R K · Jun 10, 2013

Probably Tallons best attribute is scouting. Thus all those pretty good players. He did a pretty good job of building a Stanley Cup team too.



Never take anything away from him. Nor did I like the shit as way this organization treated him for delivering them the Stanley Cup. But that was how Mcdonough rolled.

Chief Walking Stick · Jun 10, 2013

Wonder how long until Toews and Kane go down to play in Florida for their childhood hero.

Maiden · Jun 11, 2013

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Probably Tallons best attribute is scouting. Thus all those pretty good players. He did a pretty good job of building a Stanley Cup team too.



Never take anything away from him. Nor did I like the shit as way this organization treated him for delivering them the Stanley Cup. But that was how Mcdonough rolled.
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McDickhead built the team.

TSD · Jun 11, 2013

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A few other players not mentioned, the Ruutu trade (sorry Jako) that brought Ladd here and also look at Big Buff and the year he's having.
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Bochenski for Versteeg.



editL and I didnt realize this was a 3 year old thread.

BiscuitintheBasket · Jun 11, 2013

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And is right there in the 300 level with the "true" fans.

The Count Dante · Jun 11, 2013

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Bochenski for Versteeg.



editL and I didnt realize this was a 3 year old thread.
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Ton · Jun 12, 2013

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Again you missed the director of player personnel part. Pulford was just bitching the last few years, before they promoted Tallon. So much Peter finally got him removed from the constant complaining. Moving him out of the building by Rocky didn't do much because Pullford had long been removed from day to day decision.



I think Tallon had serious input long before he was named "GM". In fact, I know he did. 



That said it's all moot.



Tallon --- Responsible for Cup #1



Stan------ Could be responsible for Cup #2 (with the core Tallon left, but not to cut Stan short he lost half his team due to the Cap)



Why is this thread going on again? Who fucking cares? Tallon is gone, lets give him credit for the first Stanley Cup in MOST of our lifetimes and MOVE the **** on!
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He was groomed for the role leading up to the '03 draft, which he was in charge of, not Pulford. I would count the '03 draft as a Tallon draft, but for technicality purposes it was interesting to see BJ dig up that info with the facts as most know it.

Ton · Jun 12, 2013

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No. I didn't miss anything. I am well aware of Tallon's role before becoming GM. I also know there is no GM in the League who is directly responsible for scouting every single amateur and Pro player option all year long and arriving at decisions solely on his own though they certainly have very strong feelings and instincts about some of them which I am sure drive their decisions first and foremost. Still, they are entirely dependent on their scouting and development departments to keep them aware of talent so of course Dale had a lot of input both before he was GM and while he was GM. In the end as you well know though, it's the GMs whose reputations and legacies live and die via public perception about draft, trade, and signing choices not their scouts and Dept. heads---GMs get the glory for all their collective work when it succeeds and the flames when it all goes to hell with a player. It's always been this way with GMs and in every Pro sport.
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And you can sure as hell bet that Bowman (Stan) is relying on input from others in scouting for recent drafts and trades. This is not discrediting Stan at all, considering Tallon had the luxury of a great staff (Dudley, Franklin, Ron Anderson, Mark Kelley, and many more I can't think of atm) as well.



Tallon had an eye for talent, no doubt about it. In a Cup winning organization, he belongs as a head scout or director. As far as negotiation skills are concerned, I'd rate them poor to fair at best.



I liked Tallon in the organization, sad he left, but they haven't really missed a beat IMO.



If you want to look at the success of the Blackhawks recent drafts, look no further than Mark Kelley (brought good direction to the org), Donnelly, May, Peter Nevin, Ramsay, and a few others I can't think of right now.

bookjones · Jun 12, 2013

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And you can sure as hell bet that Bowman (Stan) is relying on input from others in scouting for recent drafts and trades. This is not discrediting Stan at all, considering Tallon had the luxury of a great staff (Dudley, Franklin, Ron Anderson, Mark Kelley, and many more I can't think of atm) as well.



Tallon had an eye for talent, no doubt about it. In a Cup winning organization, he belongs as a head scout or director. As far as negotiation skills are concerned, I'd rate them poor to fair at best.



I liked Tallon in the organization, sad he left, but they haven't really missed a beat IMO.



If you want to look at the success of the Blackhawks recent drafts, look no further than Mark Kelley (brought good direction to the org), Donnelly, May, Peter Nevin, Ramsay, and a few others I can't think of right now.
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That's pretty much what I conceded no? There is no GM who is not dependent on their scouting and development staffs. How many times in different posts over the years here have I used the term "Stan & Co."? Or mentioned Al MacIsaac or Mark Kelley or Barry Smith or Norm MacIver (though I'd imaging Kelley and MacIsaac are more bogged down with duties befitting their fancier titles these days naturally). As someone who tries to follow the prospects I am well aware that Gauthier, Stewart, Smith, Blomgren and of course Scotty Bowman himself as well as all the tons of more junior scouts all over the glove who feed information, do assessments, and call attention to players to those guys I mentioned are Stan's lifeline. . .just like with every GM in the League. It's a very chain of command driven process. GMs can't be everywhere and see everyone and know everything while also trying to day-to-day functionally run the actual NHL teams they're icing. And I have also never seen, heard or read any GM in the League who doesn't conceded that they rely on their teams to inform them and inform their choices. I've yet to run across one who fronts like it's anything but a team or collective effort and process.

Spunky Porkstacker · Jun 12, 2013

You are all wrong! John McDonough deserves all of the credit. Hawks win the cup again and WGN will be running his "I'm just a boy from Edison Park who brought the Blackhawks back to relevance" for eternity.

CLWolf81 · Jun 12, 2013

We get to kiss his ass again, eh?

I think people like us deserve more credit to this than he does.

Samurai · Jun 12, 2013

Bobby Clarke on trading Patrick Sharp...
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"It was a lousy trade on our part," he said. "But give credit to [former Hawks GM] Dale Tallon. No other team was lining up for him. Only the Blackhawks with Dale. â€¦
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That said (in order to stay on topic), I have contacted a friend of mine over at Sun Chemical-(World's Largest Supplier of Printing Ink). We seem to be completely ooot of purple ink around here. If we pool our resources, and buy in bulk, I can get us a great deal.

IceHogsFan · Jun 21, 2013

Ton · Jun 21, 2013

Lol



The last part is partly true, just the fact that he was GM is false. His name is on the Cup, so they should have just left it at that and said " 2010 Stanley Cup Winner â€” Chicago Blackhawks"

IceHogsFan · Jun 21, 2013

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Lol



The last part is partly true, just the fact that he was GM is false. His name is on the Cup, so they should have just left it at that and said " 2010 Stanley Cup Winner â€” Chicago Blackhawks"
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Yep, while not true in its entirety, the last line in red was worth sharing especially since the Blackhawks (supposedly) monitor this site. It was worth a nice chuckle. The fact that it was put out there publicly from another Canadian organization was interesting.

Chief Walking Stick · Jun 25, 2013

Let me know when Dale has 13 Cups like Scotty Bowman.



Scotty Bowman is the greatest genius in sports history next to Billy Beane.



Here are the full list of odds from Bovada:

Pittsburgh Penguins -- 13/2
Chicago Blackhawks -- 15/2 - Stan/Scotty Bowman

Boston Bruins -- 9/1

St. Louis Blues -- 12/1

Los Angeles Kings -- 14/1

Vancouver Canucks -- 14/1

Detroit Red Wings -- 16/1

New York Rangers -- 16/1

San Jose Sharks -- 16/1

Anaheim Ducks -- 20/1

Toronto Maple Leafs -- 25/1

Washington Capitals -- 25/1

Montreal Canadiens -- 28/1

Carolina Hurricanes -- 33/1

Edmonton Oilers -- 33/1

Minnesota Wild -- 33/1

New York Islanders -- 33/1

Ottawa Senators -- 33/1

Philadelphia Flyers -- 33/1

Colorado Avalanche -- 40/1

Columbus Blue Jackets -- 40/1

Nashville Predators -- 40/1

New Jersey Devils -- 40/1

Tampa Bay Lightning -- 40/1

Winnipeg Jets -- 40/1

Buffalo Sabres -- 50/1

Calgary Flames --- 50/1

Dallas Stars -- 50/1

Phoenix Coyotes -- 50/1
Florida Panthers -- 100/1 - Dale Tallon

supraman · Jun 25, 2013

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Let me know when Dale has 13 Cups like Scotty Bowman.



Scotty Bowman is the greatest genius in sports history next to Billy Beane.



Here are the full list of odds from Bovada:

Pittsburgh Penguins -- 13/2
Chicago Blackhawks -- 15/2 - Stan/Scotty Bowman

Boston Bruins -- 9/1

St. Louis Blues -- 12/1

Los Angeles Kings -- 14/1

Vancouver Canucks -- 14/1

Detroit Red Wings -- 16/1

New York Rangers -- 16/1

San Jose Sharks -- 16/1

Anaheim Ducks -- 20/1

Toronto Maple Leafs -- 25/1

Washington Capitals -- 25/1

Montreal Canadiens -- 28/1

Carolina Hurricanes -- 33/1

Edmonton Oilers -- 33/1

Minnesota Wild -- 33/1

New York Islanders -- 33/1

Ottawa Senators -- 33/1

Philadelphia Flyers -- 33/1

Colorado Avalanche -- 40/1

Columbus Blue Jackets -- 40/1

Nashville Predators -- 40/1

New Jersey Devils -- 40/1

Tampa Bay Lightning -- 40/1

Winnipeg Jets -- 40/1

Buffalo Sabres -- 50/1

Calgary Flames --- 50/1

Dallas Stars -- 50/1

Phoenix Coyotes -- 50/1
Florida Panthers -- 100/1 - Dale Tallon
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Comparing Dale Tallon to Scottie Bowman is pretty fucking stupid. Scottie has forgot more about hockey than most hockey players and fans will ever know. Tallon is a great scout, has a great eye for talent.

R K · Jun 25, 2013

IMO Stan just moved himself OUT of the shadow of Tallon. This Cup is 100% his. Just the way it is. He's completely rebuilt this team, all be it with many parts that were already here, but still what he's done is NOT easy.

TSD · Jun 25, 2013

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IMO Stan just moved himself OUT of the shadow of Tallon. This Cup is 100% his. Just the way it is. He's completely rebuilt this team, all be it with many parts that were already here, but still what he's done is NOT easy.
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T

he funny thing is we had such a great season and STILL need a 2nd line center.

cursed by muldoon · Jun 28, 2013

Just to let you know that Dale's work is not forgotten by everyone, I mentioned him in my "What Kind of Fan Are You" blog at my site. It's a long two part entry, but hopefully interesting.
Go Hawks!
-tib
http://www.artsbit.com/blog

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