Brenly Won't Miss Ramirez

[nwfisch]

But you fail to understand is that the Cubs can not just give up that production. We already have 2B that is below average offensively and LF, CF, RF, and C were about average to below average. The Cubs have to have Ramirez's bat back to have any chance.


You have trouble understand the difference between a good player and a bad player don't you? Damn Ramirez and his NL leading .373 wOBA! Damn him!

I realize that, the Cubs can extend the $16M to other positions of need (pitching) (1B) (3B)

Still missing the point about Ramirez not being good in the playoffs. Granted, I made the shtick old, but you can't defend his playoff struggles.

 

[Captain Obvious]

I realize that, the Cubs can extend the $16M to other positions of need (pitching) (1B) (3B)

Still missing the point about Ramirez not being good in the playoffs. Granted, I made the shtick old, but you can't defend his playoff struggles.

You have to get to the playoffs first. Plus, it's not like anyone else out there has any better playoff stats.

At this point, that 16 million dollar figure needs to be thrown out. It's more like 10 million now, over a few years.

 

[nwfisch]

You have to get to the playoffs first. Plus, it's not like anyone else out there has any better playoff stats.

At this point, that 16 million dollar figure needs to be thrown out. It's more like 10 million now, over a few years.

The option was for $16MM.

Not what he's going to get on the open market, but the point is still valid, $10M to help other areas of the ballclub.

 

[Captain Obvious]

The option was for $16MM.

Not what he's going to get on the open market, but the point is still valid, $10M to help other areas of the ballclub.

But again, it doesn't make sense to create to hole to fill a hole. Plus, it's not like we don't have ~50 million coming off the books anyway.

 

[dabynsky]

If A-Ram lands with a playoff contender..

This is what he'll be at the plate for people watching.

And that is what people have been doing the last 3 times Cliff Lee has pitched... Or Hall of Famer Dave Winfield's entire postseason career.

Sample size!!!

What is so hard to get about this concept that playoffs are a small sample size which results in some great players having poor numbers during the postseason and some crappy players have great numbers during the postseason. Using performance in the postseason as a way to evaluate the talent level of a player is simply dumb, and I pray that whoever is in charge of making the decisions for this team next year realizes that fact.

 

[Uman85]

What is so hard to get about this concept that playoffs are a small sample size which results in some great players having poor numbers during the postseason and some crappy players have great numbers during the postseason. Using performance in the postseason as a way to evaluate the talent level of a player is simply dumb, and I pray that whoever is in charge of making the decisions for this team next year realizes that fact.

It was just a joke.

 

[nwfisch]

I have to LOL at the Cliff Lee/ARam comparisons.

 

[dabynsky]

I have to LOL at the Cliff Lee/ARam comparisons.

When did I say they were the same player? That is the point that you keep missing. Players that are even better than Aramis Ramiez have had bad series or careers in the postseason. Until you make an actual point that contradicts that even great players have bad postseasons you will get this response.

 

[dabynsky]

It was just a joke.

Because it is as tired as range factor, and used to avoid to actually have to face the evidence which shows how even great players have bad postseason series.

 

[Rice Cube]

WHen did I say they were the same player. Until you make an actual point that contradicts that even great players have bad postseasons you will get this response.

Some great players have no postseasons.

 

[dabynsky]

Some great players have no postseasons.

More than a few played for our team...

 

[nwfisch]

WHen did I say they were the same player. Until you make an actual point that contradicts that even great players have bad postseasons you will get this response.

Cliff Lee has had much more success in a similar amount of postseason games, compared to Ramirez who has had much less success.

Not to say either won't turn their track record around, I just think it's silly to compare a top 5 SP to a top 5 3B.

 

[dabynsky]

Cliff Lee has had much more success in a similar amount of postseason games, compared to Ramirez who has had much less success.

Not to say either won't turn their track record around, I just think it's silly to compare a top 5 SP to a top 5 3B.

Just to be clear then. Your point is that it is more fair to call Aramis Ramirez out for a bad 6 games as a position player than Cliff Lee as a SP for his bad 3 games.

And the bolded part completely contradicts what you and others have been citing as one of the main flaws of Ramirez (his postseason production).

 

[Rice Cube]

More than a few played for our team...

dabynsky got the reference.

 

[bleacherbum54]

I wont either

its time to move on IMO

 

[nwfisch]

Just to be clear then. Your point is that it is more fair to call Aramis Ramirez out for a bad 6 games as a position player than Cliff Lee as a SP for his bad 3 games.

And the bolded part completely contradicts what you and others have been citing as one of the main flaws of Ramirez (his postseason production).

Lee's postseason success have been greater than Ramirez's, and Ramirez's lows have been greater than Lee's.

I can't make up numbers for Aramis' postseason production, I would love to, unfortunately what's there is what's there.

 

[Rice Cube]

Andre Dawson Statistics and History - Baseball-Reference.com

What a chump.

 

[Uman85]

Because it is as tired as range factor, and used to avoid to actually have to face the evidence which shows how even great players have bad postseason series.

Lmao. He's not a great player to begin with. I don't get the love affair with him, but whatever. Not going to argue about Ramirez again.

 

[Rice Cube]

It's not a love affair. Aramis Ramirez is not going to be a Hall of Famer, but to pretend that he hasn't been good for the Cubs and hasn't been important to their regular season success (there's plenty to blame in the postseason other than Ramirez btw) is silly.

 

[Uman85]

It's not a love affair. Aramis Ramirez is not going to be a Hall of Famer, but to pretend that he hasn't been good for the Cubs and hasn't been important to their regular season success (there's plenty to blame in the postseason other than Ramirez btw) is silly.

His performance(or lack thereof) tells me more about him than his regular season numbers which aren't great in the first place. Good, not great.