Brenly Won't Miss Ramirez

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Ramirez would be missed. ALOT.
 

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The only reason why I don't want Ramirez back is because of the money he wants, someone will overpay him and give him one year too many on his contract. I've said this before, I don't want to see the Cubs get roped into another bad contract that they can't get rid of. Ramirez's skills will diminish at some point within the next 5 seasons and I don't want the Cubs owing a guy 20 million dollars on the back end of a skill diminished player's contract.

I'll miss his bat but its just not worth the financial risk...
 

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I would give him 3 years Max. If he gets more then i understand why its time to move on. But i would do everything i could to get him for 3 year deal
 

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All hail dabynsky. He is never wrong on the internet! :bowrofl:


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Why not actually provide an argument to counter my points? I realize that would require waymore effort than a dewey :rolleyes: but perhaps we might actual get somewhere instead of hearing the same tired statements without any evidence to support it.
 

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Dab is never wrong (Besides the CJ Wilson/Fielder debate we have going on :beer:)
 

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The only reason why I don't want Ramirez back is because of the money he wants, someone will overpay him and give him one year too many on his contract. I've said this before, I don't want to see the Cubs get roped into another bad contract that they can't get rid of. Ramirez's skills will diminish at some point within the next 5 seasons and I don't want the Cubs owing a guy 20 million dollars on the back end of a skill diminished player's contract.

I'll miss his bat but its just not worth the financial risk...
I can understand that argument and it makes sense. There are reasons why Ramirez should be let go at this point in time. The only thing Rice and I have been arguing is this idea that getting rid of Ramirez improves this team now.

Dab is never wrong (Besides the CJ Wilson/Fielder debate we have going on :beer:)

Uman is no longer my friend apparently. That is pretty funny. And I am not wrong about CJ Wilson in the context that I stated that if I can only get 1 large free agent this year wanting the pitcher. Your response to that was always signing Fielder and some other pitcher that is likely to cost in the 12 million plus range which of course makes this team better than Wilson and Pena.
 

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Came out today that NYY and BOS going after CJ Wilson. Dont see Cubs outbidding for him. So Fielder here Cubs come :)
 

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Came out today that NYY and BOS going after CJ Wilson. Dont see Cubs outbidding for him. So Fielder here Cubs come :)

I'd be more than happy to have Fielder as a consolation prize...(our pitching still really, really sucks...even more than the offense)
 

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I can understand that argument and it makes sense. There are reasons why Ramirez should be let go at this point in time. The only thing Rice and I have been arguing is this idea that getting rid of Ramirez improves this team now.



Uman is no longer my friend apparently. That is pretty funny. And I am not wrong about CJ Wilson in the context that I stated that if I can only get 1 large free agent this year wanting the pitcher. Your response to that was always signing Fielder and some other pitcher that is likely to cost in the 12 million plus range which of course makes this team better than Wilson and Pena.
My thing is letting Ramirez go, doesn't mean the Cubs have to stop spending money and bank the $16M option or the approximate $13M he'll make per season.

I agree that pitching is the biggest need of improvement, given the choice of Wilson or Fielder, I'll take Fielder, again not saying the Cubs don't sign an Edwin Jacksonesque pitcher.
 

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I'd be more than happy to have Fielder as a consolation prize...(our pitching still really, really sucks...even more than the offense)

Maybe a change in Pitching Coach could help that. I think it shows how good Rothchilds was. Cubs were in top 5 it seemed for while. The year he leaves they become bottom 5
 

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My thing is letting Ramirez go, doesn't mean the Cubs have to stop spending money and bank the $16M option or the approximate $13M he'll make per season.

I agree that pitching is the biggest need of improvement, given the choice of Wilson or Fielder, I'll take Fielder, again not saying the Cubs don't sign an Edwin Jacksonesque pitcher.
Your right the Cubs could go out and improve in other areas, but you seem to want to ignore the fact that letting Ramirez go at this point would result in a huge downgrade in production at 3B. So the improvements you get in other areas would have to both make up for the general suckiness of this team and the increased suckiness of not having Ramirez's bat.
 

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My thing is letting Ramirez go, doesn't mean the Cubs have to stop spending money and bank the $16M option or the approximate $13M he'll make per season.
I agree that pitching is the biggest need of improvement, given the choice of Wilson or Fielder, I'll take Fielder, again not saying the Cubs don't sign an Edwin Jacksonesque pitcher.


I understand that BUT who do Cubs get to replace 25 HR 90+ RBI at 3B? 3B is really down right now
 

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I'm personally against signing middling free agents to plug up holes. If they want to contend and they don't have a solid in-house core, they need to spend out the wazoo. If they can't spend that much, there's only so much Fielder and CJ Wilson can do, with or without Ramirez. It might be enough to win the NL Central but they definitely wouldn't be the best team possible. Just an opinion.
 

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I understand that BUT who do Cubs get to replace 25 HR 90+ RBI at 3B? 3B is really down right now
You can't replace Ramirez, however a 3B will produce something, Castro should increase production, and getting someone to keep runs off the board will allow the Cubs to not have a reliance on the offensive 3B stats.
 

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I'm personally against signing middling free agents to plug up holes. If they want to contend and they don't have a solid in-house core, they need to spend out the wazoo. If they can't spend that much, there's only so much Fielder and CJ Wilson can do, with or without Ramirez. It might be enough to win the NL Central but they definitely wouldn't be the best team possible. Just an opinion.

I dont see Cubs getting Fielder without A-Ram. Fielder is going to want protection behind him. If you take out A-Ram there is NO protection. I think it all depends on what the next GM wants to do. If they want to contend then resigning A-Ram is a MUST. If they want to go young and not contend then going with LeMaheu or Vitters the way to go. I personally hope they resign A-Ram and get Fielder. Then try to piece the SP together for 1 year so when next FA class comes out they can go get a Cain or Hamels!
 

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You can't replace Ramirez, however a 3B will produce something, Castro should increase production, and getting someone to keep runs off the board will allow the Cubs to not have a reliance on the offensive 3B stats.

Castro plus another 3B will not come even close to making up 25 HR 90+ RBI. 3B is a spot where you can hide a DEF and get huge production from. Im sorry but putting in a guy who hits 10 HR 45 RBI is with better DEF DOES NOT make this team better.
 

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Highly doubtful the Phils let Hamels go.

LHP's like him don't grow on trees.
 

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Highly doubtful the Phils let Hamels go.

LHP's like him don't grow on trees.

I understand PHI wants to keep him BUT now that he only 1 year way from FA i dont see him resigning. He knows he get more on Market.
 

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Castro plus another 3B will not come even close to making up 25 HR 90+ RBI. 3B is a spot where you can hide a DEF. Im sorry but putting in a guy who hits 10 HR 45 RBI is with better DEF DOES NOT help the team.
I don't know the metrics on what pitching=hitting in terms of stats.

If the Cubs can get a starting pitcher that allows 45 fewer runs than the 5th starters of this season.

If Zambrano is gone, that'll free up some money, while creating another hole.
 

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I don't know the metrics on what pitching=hitting in terms of stats.

If the Cubs can get a starting pitcher that allows 45 fewer runs than the 5th starters of this season.

If Zambrano is gone, that'll free up some money, while creating another hole.

I dont think anyone has Z penciled in as SP for Cubs coming up. I think thats already a hole. Now it just depends how much of 18 mil Cubs have to pick up
 

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