Bulls have their sights on is J.R. Smith of the Nuggets

[bulldog1205]

It'd be interesting to see how the CBA plays out. NBA teams will do whatever they can to save money. I just dont know to what extent that'll be attained in the new CBA.

I just think it would be a horrible decision for them to put in a hard cap. At least immediately anyways. Can you imagine the uproar if Chicago couldn't resign Rose to a new deal because they were too close to the cap? It would happen to teams across the league.

If they did it they would have to start it in several years. So maybe decide now that a hard cap will start before before the 2014-2015 season, giving teams 3 years to prepare for it. Or maybe start it now but give teams the ability to designate 2 contracts and not count those against the cap for up to 3 years. Something to make sure teams aren't just completely screwed over with no time to prepare.

 

[Shakes]

A harder cap is more likely than a hard cap, ie remove some of the exceptions like the MLE.

 

[X]

anybody that wants JRSmith over T-Mac is just silly....McGrady's cheap, and a better scoring option than any of our current group of SG's...he's big enough to guard anyone else at the position, and if he only played 20 minutes a night, those are at least 20 minutes that Bogans wouldn't be playing. JR Smith does not play defense...shoots his team out of games as often as he shoots them in games, and is a thug who just doesn't fit what the team is about. We had him once and gave him up for the equivalent to a bad head cold...and the fact that some of you would rather give up anything we have that is of value to get him back is absurd. McGrady might not be the answer, but Smith is most certainly not the answer.

 

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anybody that wants JRSmith over T-Mac is just silly....McGrady's cheap, and a better scoring option than any of our current group of SG's...he's big enough to guard anyone else at the position, and if he only played 20 minutes a night, those are at least 20 minutes that Bogans wouldn't be playing. JR Smith does not play defense...shoots his team out of games as often as he shoots them in games, and is a thug who just doesn't fit what the team is about. We had him once and gave him up for the equivalent to a bad head cold...and the fact that some of you would rather give up anything we have that is of value to get him back is absurd. McGrady might not be the answer, but Smith is most certainly not the answer.

Another thing about TMac is that be can be a ball-handler for the 2nd unit. Sure, he isnt as good as he was before, but he's vastly underrated IMO.

 

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Another thing about TMac is that be can be a ball-handler for the 2nd unit. Sure, he isnt as good as he was before, but he's vastly underrated IMO.

agreed...

pretty sure we struggled stopping him a couple weeks ago...

 

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agreed...

pretty sure we struggled stopping him a couple weeks ago...

isnt he also on a 1 year contract? that'd be perfect for the Bulls then

 

[pinkizdead]

he's also one of the worse defenders out there. He doesn't have an ounce of athleticism left. he's hasn't had a healthy season since god knows when. he's not an efficient 3pt shooter.

WHY WOULD ANYONE WANT THAT ON THEIR TEAM? Right now, i'd take bogans over t-mac. I;d take brewer over t-mac. I'd still rather have korver starting than t-mac. anyone who wants t-mac on their team is a basketball Special person.

 

[houheffna]

anybody that wants JRSmith over T-Mac is just silly....McGrady's cheap, and a better scoring option than any of our current group of SG's...he's big enough to guard anyone else at the position, and if he only played 20 minutes a night, those are at least 20 minutes that Bogans wouldn't be playing. JR Smith does not play defense...shoots his team out of games as often as he shoots them in games, and is a thug who just doesn't fit what the team is about. We had him once and gave him up for the equivalent to a bad head cold...and the fact that some of you would rather give up anything we have that is of value to get him back is absurd. McGrady might not be the answer, but Smith is most certainly not the answer.

Why do you say JR Smith plays no defense and act as if McGrady does? Being big enough doesn't make McGrady a sound option defensively at all. As far as that thug stuff...kinda tired of hearing that. The core of this team is strong enough, along with the coaching and the organization to handle anybody who gets out of control. Rose and Noah control that locker room. JR Smith is not talented enough or diabolical enough to topple that hierarchy. Who cares if he is a thug anyway? We are trying to build a championship team, not a deacon board.

When the Bulls gave him up, he wasn't the player he is now. That said, McGrady doesn't shoot threes as well as Smith, can't score off the dribble as well as Smith, and Smith is faster, stronger and healthier.

You bring up Smith being traded for nothing, as if it was justified. Yet McGrady had a tryout and it didn't work out too well did it? And it was that way with a few other teams. And it wasn't just physical, but mental. McGrady hasn't deferred to a superstar since becoming one and he needs the ball to be affective. Smith does not need the ball, he can play off the ball, and he has deferred to better players throughout his career.

 

[pinkizdead]

he's big enough to guard anyone else at the position, and if he only played 20 minutes a night, those are at least 20 minutes that Bogans wouldn't be playing. JR Smith does not play defense...shoots his team out of games as often as he shoots them in games, and is a thug who just doesn't fit what the team is about. We had him once and gave him up for the equivalent to a bad head cold...and the fact that some of you would rather give up anything we have that is of value to get him back is absurd. McGrady might not be the answer, but Smith is most certainly not the answer.

the nba is a game built on speed, and not size. Right now bogans is doing everything that he needs to play better than t-mac. he's at least shooting now.

t-mac has earned a living not playing defense. Why would you bring that up over why we should get him over smith.

I'm all for signing smith, but i dont think we have the assets to do so. To be honest, smith isn't my first option in a trade, but he isn't my last. T-mac is my last.

 

[Glide2keva]

J.R. Smith is no thug. He's a fake wannabe thug that just happened to get in a young money video.

 

[pinkizdead]

Why do you say JR Smith plays no defense and act as if McGrady does? Being big enough doesn't make McGrady a sound option defensively at all. As far as that thug stuff...kinda tired of hearing that. The core of this team is strong enough, along with the coaching and the organization to handle anybody who gets out of control. Rose and Noah control that locker room. JR Smith is not talented enough or diabolical enough to topple that hierarchy. Who cares if he is a thug anyway? We are trying to build a championship team, not a deacon board.

When the Bulls gave him up, he wasn't the player he is now. That said, McGrady doesn't shoot threes as well as Smith, can't score off the dribble as well as Smith, and Smith is faster, stronger and healthier.

You bring up Smith being traded for nothing, as if it was justified. Yet McGrady had a tryout and it didn't work out too well did it? And it was that way with a few other teams. And it wasn't just physical, but mental. McGrady hasn't deferred to a superstar since becoming one and he needs the ball to be affective. Smith does not need the ball, he can play off the ball, and he has deferred to better players throughout his career.

quit stealing my thunder.

 

[Shakes]

I don't think McGrady is very good anymore (and hasn't been very good for quite some time) but I think the attitude thing got painted in a bit of the wrong light. I admit I didn't want him because I worried about his ability to take a supporting role, but it seems when he said "I want to start" he didn't mean "I will sulk and throw things out of my play pen if I don't", he meant "I think I'm still good enough that I can earn a starting spot".

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Like it or not, the NBA is a game that has a lot to do weighing the money a player makes versus what that player actually brings to the table.

Per-dollar, T-Mac is a very productive player and is fine defending most 2nd unit NBA players.

And pink... you'd rather have Bogans than McGrady? That's just silly...

 

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Like it or not, the NBA is a game that has a lot to do weighing the money a player makes versus what that player actually brings to the table.

Per-dollar, T-Mac is a very productive player and is fine defending most 2nd unit NBA players.

And pink... you'd rather have Bogans than McGrady? That's just silly...

Bogans is all-star material.

 

[Skills]

Bogans is all-star material.

:doorrofl:

 

[X]

Hugh and Pink...nowhere did I say T-Mac plays Defense...but T-Mac wouldn't cost nearly as much as Smith either, and God knows he wouldn't shoot us out of games...

I guess I'm just amazed that the dude's never been a winner in his life, was on 4 teams in his first 3 years...and no one tries to go out and defend his name or play.

And if you look at their numbers this season...Smith is avg about 4 more ppg, but other than that their numbers are pretty even.

idk...I just don't understand all the love for Smith. I don't love T-Mac either, but of the two, I'd def take T-Mac....cheaper option for similar production.

 

[Glide2keva]

Why do you have a hard-on for McGrady? He's useless to the Bulls. He serves us no purpose. What's he going to do, start? Really?

Dude is done.

 

[houheffna]

Hugh and Pink...nowhere did I say T-Mac plays Defense...but T-Mac wouldn't cost nearly as much as Smith either, and God knows he wouldn't shoot us out of games...

I guess I'm just amazed that the dude's never been a winner in his life, was on 4 teams in his first 3 years...and no one tries to go out and defend his name or play.

And if you look at their numbers this season...Smith is avg about 4 more ppg, but other than that their numbers are pretty even.

idk...I just don't understand all the love for Smith. I don't love T-Mac either, but of the two, I'd def take T-Mac....cheaper option for similar production.

Right now, Smith at his best is better than TMac at his best. That is my point. As far as money goes, why even bring that up? You all act as if Smith has a Deng contract or something. He is a free agent after the season...so who cares? You either sign him back or you don't. McGrady doesn't help you against Miami or Boston in my opinion...but JR does...

Again, the argument of cost-effectiveness is not important. Its a midseason acquisition of a player that is on the last year of his contract.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Why do you have a hard-on for McGrady? He's useless to the Bulls. He serves us no purpose. What's he going to do, start? Really?

Dude is done.

Why would they use him as the starter?

Rose
Brewer
Deng
Boozer
Noah

Watson (off-the-ball)
McGrady (primary ball-handler)
Korver
Gibson
Thomas/Asik

That looks like a better team than the one they have now with Bogans.

 

[Skills]

Right now, Smith at his best is better than TMac at his best. That is my point. As far as money goes, why even bring that up? You all act as if Smith has a Deng contract or something. He is a free agent after the season...so who cares? You either sign him back or you don't. McGrady doesn't help you against Miami or Boston in my opinion...but JR does...

Again, the argument of cost-effectiveness is not important. Its a midseason acquisition of a player that is on the last year of his contract.

Don't know if I would go so far as to say that. You gotta remember TMac on Orlando and how beast mode he was. And even before he got bombarded with injuries on the Rockets he was dope. I'll admit JR can spread the floor better than TMac because he's a better shooter when he's on. But better overall player? Nah.

I agree with you though. The Bulls had TMac work out for them over the summer and they didn't sign him. I don't think that was for no reason. This isn't just about who can score more for you, it's about what else they can do when they don't have the ball and I mean besides defense. The intangibles that JR brings to the table are completely different from the ones TMac would bring. JR would be an asset. TMac would be a liability.