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[Ton]

Re: Ladd to ATL for 2nd Round Pick & Vishnevskiy

For me, its not about if Beach and Lalonde can step it up... its about the guys who have already had NHL time.



Bickell, Dowell, Stalberg, Skille -- all have had time in the NHL and all of them will be counted on to improve and stick full-time next year. Say what you want about Skille but his time is now.



These are the guys that are going to be counted on to fill out the 4th line (along with Reasoner). Stalberg might be able to make the 3rd line. They have to make a few more signings and the roster is basically set.



I have confidence in Bickell and Dowell as full timers. I know Stralberg can definitely make an impact -- 4th line or 3rd. Skille, not sure he can really do it but who knows, stranger things have happened.



The replacements obviously won't be anything special, but they will be serviceable, and that's all we can really ask for with the issues we are facing. All Bowman has to do is find 2 3rd line players and maybe a guy on defense. This isn't impossible.



Biggest problem for us is going to be LW, Brouwer and Kopecky right now... unless we get some big free agent these two are going to be the best we have. Unless of course, Sharp moves to wing, which probably isn't the plan.

 

[whiteevo]

Re: Ladd to ATL for 2nd Round Pick & Vishnevskiy

well that fucking sucked. for some reason losing ladd hurts a little more than the others. probably just because i was hoping he was gonna be kept.



really, as long as hammer and niemi get signed shortly i'll feel ok. that, and the fact that we actually won the cup is making it all a little easier to digest. i'll probably be giddy for the next couple years over that. seeing some good hockey will just be a bonus.

 

[Guest]

Re: Ladd to ATL for 2nd Round Pick & Vishnevskiy

[quote name="roshinaya"]But THAT one contract is what is causing a lot of problems. Had it been a couple of millions cheaper then there wouldn't be questions if the Hawks can keep Hammer or Niemi. But that contract is here to stay for the rest of the term and will be there when Kane and Toews are up for a new one. And that fact is quite irritating.



But looking on the bright side, Hawks will have to ice a roster that is 4m under the cap this one year and next year when the cap will more than likely stay the same or even rise, the Hawks will have more than enough cap space to re-sign Seabs and maybe even extend Sharp.[/quote]



You don't know that. You are guessing. It's not ONE single contract. It's MANY.



Toews 6.3 mil

Kane 6.3 mil

Keith 5.7 mil

Hossa 5.3 mil



So Campbell makes a Mil more than Toews and Kane. That one Mil or even two is enough to keep Ladd, Hjarlmarsson and Niemi?? Really.



Not to mention that Campbell contract just helped win us the Stanley Cup. Because without Campbell, 14-4 in the playoffs, I'm not sure we pass Nashville. Hawks were NOT playing well until his return. At all!

 

[Guest]

Re: Ladd to ATL for 2nd Round Pick & Vishnevskiy

You don't know that. You are guessing. It's not ONE single contract. It's MANY.



Toews 6.3 mil

Kane 6.3 mil

Keith 5.7 mil

Hossa 5.3 mil



So Campbell makes a Mil more than Toews and Kane. That one Mil or even two is enough to keep Ladd, Hjarlmarsson and Niemi?? Really.



Not to mention that Campbell contract just helped win us the Stanley Cup. Because without Campbell, 14-4 in the playoffs, I'm not sure we pass Nashville. Hawks were NOT playing well until his return. At all![/quote]

Gonna have to agree here. While Campbell is a bit overpaid, you could really tell a difference when he was not in the lineup. I remember that slide we took and I was asking myself what was missing that wasn't there before, and it was Campbell. Say what you want but the guy is effective.

 

[roshinaya]

Re: Ladd to ATL for 2nd Round Pick & Vishnevskiy

I know what Campbell means to the team and agree he is a vital part of the teams success, but there is still no denying that his contract is a big burden to this team and going to be so until it ends in 6 years (!), if they don't somehow manage to deal it away (but not for the time being when there is no one to replace his role).

 

[Guest]

Re: Ladd to ATL for 2nd Round Pick & Vishnevskiy

maybe when his play declines the contract then becomes a huge question. Right now, it's not hurting this team anymore than the other 4 massive contracts they have.



When you have a team loaded with talent, there won't be enough money. It's just that simple. I don't even think if he made 2 mil less that would have rescued this team from what just happened. Especially knowing the Hawks true CAP is 4 MIL LESS than everyone else.

 

[roshinaya]

Re: Ladd to ATL for 2nd Round Pick & Vishnevskiy

Yes, Campbell's speed is what is his game and when it declines it will be a problem. Unless of course, by that time he has rounded out his game and improved in other areas of the game. And who knows what the cap will be in 6 years time and so on, so there is a lot of factors that could come into play.

On a related note, last night on TSN, Barnaby (yeah, I know) called the Hossa deal bad and said it won't look so good in 5 years, but I got to disagree there. Hossa is exactly the player who I see being a contributor even in the twilight of his career. His two-way play, hard work and hockey sense will only improve and while he might lose some speed he is still possesses a dangerous shot.

 

[Guest]

Re: Ladd to ATL for 2nd Round Pick & Vishnevskiy

Barnaby picked the flyers. What would anyone expect out of his mouth. The guy is an idiot.



I agree with you on Hossa.

 

[Maiden]

Re: Ladd to ATL for 2nd Round Pick & Vishnevskiy

[quote name="roshinaya"]Yes, Campbell's speed is what is his game and when it declines it will be a problem. Unless of course, by that time he has rounded out his game and improved in other areas of the game. And who knows what the cap will be in 6 years time and so on, so there is a lot of factors that could come into play.

On a related note, last night on TSN, Barnaby (yeah, I know) called the Hossa deal bad and said it won't look so good in 5 years, but I got to disagree there. Hossa is exactly the player who I see being a contributor even in the twilight of his career. His two-way play, hard work and hockey sense will only improve and while he might lose some speed he is still possesses a dangerous shot.[/quote]



I continue to laugh at the notion Campbell is a poor defender.

All the while we watched the Norris trophy winners +/- plummet the last 25 games of the season. Campbell 's defensive ability rests with his puck moving skills; if you're looking for him to be a Seabs type defender you need your heads examined.

 

[roshinaya]

Re: Ladd to ATL for 2nd Round Pick & Vishnevskiy

[quote name="Maiden"]



I continue to laugh at the notion Campbell is a poor defender.

All the while we watched the Norris trophy winners +/- plummet the last 25 games of the season. Campbell 's defensive ability rests with his puck moving skills; if you're looking for him to be a Seabs type defender you need your heads examined.[/quote]



Where did I say BC is a bad defender? Stop seeing things that aren't there just so you can spout off and feel superior.



BC improved a lot this past year on the defensive side and will do so in the future. However with his age getting up there towards the end of the contract, there is a possibility his speed declines and what makes his current game so effective might not be as good, but as I said he will have every chance to improve other aspects of his game to compensate, better positioning, defensive awareness etc. Saying that he can improve does NOT mean he is not good NOW, everything is not either or in the real world.

 

[Maiden]

Re: Ladd to ATL for 2nd Round Pick & Vishnevskiy

[quote name="roshinaya"]



Where did I say BC is a bad defender? Stop seeing things that aren't there just so you can spout off and feel superior.



BC improved a lot this past year on the defensive side and will do so in the future. However with his age getting up there towards the end of the contract, there is a possibility his speed declines and what makes his current game so effective might not be as good, but as I said he will have every chance to improve other aspects of his game to compensate, better positioning, defensive awareness etc. Saying that he can improve does NOT mean he is not good NOW, everything is not either or in the real world.[/quote]



You didnt........my statement was towards all the others who have let their feelings known over and over again. People in this town hate Campbell because someone stuck a gun at Campbell's face and forced him to sign his contract. He didnt want to; they made him to do it. He only wanted 5 mil but Hawks management forced him to take 7. If he would have just stood up for himself and told management he wasnt worth 7 million we wouldnt have these cap issues.

 

[Ton]

Re: Ladd to ATL for 2nd Round Pick & Vishnevskiy

[quote name="Maiden"]



You didnt........my statement was towards all the others who have let their feelings known over and over again. People in this town hate Campbell because someone stuck a gun at Campbell's face and forced him to sign his contract. He didnt want to; they made him to do it. He only wanted 5 mil but Hawks management forced him to take 7. If he would have just stood up for himself and told management he wasnt worth 7 million we wouldnt have these cap issues.[/quote]



I can't believe that even if you stuck a gun to my head. Yeah, Campbell wanted $5 mil but the Hawks said "no, you can't come here unless we pay $7 mil for you".... give me a break, Campbell very well knew the market for him would be high and had several teams bidding for 7+ million for his services.

 

[Rdrhwke]

Re: Ladd to ATL for 2nd Round Pick & Vishnevskiy

[quote name="Maiden"]

You didnt........my statement was towards all the others who have let their feelings known over and over again. People in this town hate Campbell because someone stuck a gun at Campbell's face and forced him to sign his contract. He didnt want to; they made him to do it. He only wanted 5 mil but Hawks management forced him to take 7. If he would have just stood up for himself and told management he wasnt worth 7 million we wouldnt have these cap issues.[/quote]



I believe the Huet contract is even worse. At least with Campbell the team is getting something for their money, albeit pricey. And if they really wanted to unload that big contract by trading him, there might be at least some interest. With Huet, they get no production and I honestly doubt there is any interest in him from other teams.

 

[Cornflake]

Re: Ladd to ATL for 2nd Round Pick & Vishnevskiy

Say what you want about campbell and his bad contract, but at the time of the signing even though it was a huge contract I was happy about that one. The hawks needed a qb on the back end to move the puck to get them to the next level. If you asked me before then, after then and now if I would take that contract to get a cup, I would ask you if you were kidding me.



Look at our finals counterparts the flyers, who are about to move Gagne cause they have no money. They have Leino and Giroux who make 800,000 and up for free agency next year. This is how it goes when you put a team together to contend for the cup. It's easy for these other teams to have cap room when they are either squeezing into the postseason or not even getting there.



When it comes to concerns (since this thread wasa about vishnevsky) is the physicality on the back end. I was hoping for the hawks to pick up a mean dude for our last pairing.

 

[Maiden]

Re: Ladd to ATL for 2nd Round Pick & Vishnevskiy

[quote name="Ton"]



I can't believe that even if you stuck a gun to my head. Yeah, Campbell wanted $5 mil but the Hawks said "no, you can't come here unless we pay $7 mil for you".... give me a break, Campbell very well knew the market for him would be high and had several teams bidding for 7+ million for his services.[/quote]



Ton........of all people to fall into the bear hole, I never thought it would be you.

I'm sitting here nearly peeing my pants laughing you fell for this.............

 

[MassHavoc]

Re: Ladd to ATL for 2nd Round Pick & Vishnevskiy

[quote name="Maiden"]



Ton........of all people to fall into the bear hole, I never thought it would be you.

I'm sitting here nearly peeing my pants laughing you fell for this.............[/quote]

That makes two of us, and just when you thought the purple could finally be done away with, Ton slaps you in the face with naivety .

 

[Guest]

Re: Ladd to ATL for 2nd Round Pick & Vishnevskiy

Dudley talks on the combination of Boland-Ladd.



Man this deal really hurts.... Fucking Cap!



http://thrashers.nhl.tv/team/console.jsp?catid=235&id=73544

 

[Maiden]

Re: Ladd to ATL for 2nd Round Pick & Vishnevskiy

[quote name="R K"]Dudley talks on the combination of Boland-Ladd.



Man this deal really hurts.... Fucking Cap!



http://thrashers.nhl.tv/team/console.jsp?catid=235&id=73544[/quote]





Just means its time to find a new "Ladd."

I agree losing Ladd hurts because of his experience but that doesnt mean a player like Bickell, Brouwer or Beach doesnt step in this upcoming season and we dont miss a beat.

 

[bierboy]

Re: Ladd to ATL for 2nd Round Pick & Vishnevskiy

[quote name="Maiden"]...but that doesnt mean a player like Bickell, Brouwer or Beach doesnt step in this upcoming season and we dont miss a beat.[/quote]

...and there's no guarantee they WILL either....

 

[Maiden]

Re: Ladd to ATL for 2nd Round Pick & Vishnevskiy

[quote name="bierboy"]

...and there's no guarantee they WILL either....[/quote]



I'll volley it back to you that there was no guarantee Ladd would if he was resigned.