Can anyone honestly look at the rosters of the 4 Championship teams that competed to be in the Super Bowl, and think we're only a Caleb Williams away?

[Spitta Andretti]

There was no better time than now to make a move and offer Ben Johnson a whole bunch of money to come here and get Caleb Williams to play with. Instead, we might be doing what we did with Fields, giving Williams a lame-duck coach and then switching everything around on him again. I hope not, but it's looking like that could happen. Poles better go all-in around Williams from a roster standpoint this offseason.

that still doesn't guarantee that Ben Johnson comes here (Goes back to Detroit anyway) and on top of that, no one has any idea how he would be as an actual HC over just an offensive coordinator

 

[remydat]

There was no better time than now to make a move and offer Ben Johnson a whole bunch of money to come here and get Caleb Williams to play with. Instead, we might be doing what we did with Fields, giving Williams a lame-duck coach and then switching everything around on him again. I hope not, but it's looking like that could happen. Poles better go all-in around Williams from a roster standpoint this offseason.

Ben Johnson cant figure out the D of the coach you want him to replace. The same D people say is basic and is outdated except apparently when it is matched up against Ben Johnson's offense.

 

[Wild_x_Card]

They aren’t exactly that young.

Outside of Kelce they're extremely young at the skill positions on offense. The average age of the 53 is 26.

 

[KittiesKorner]

You realize half of it was bait to trigger Cultists like you right? And I never fail to make a catch, so who has the obsession now?

@bamainatlanta , @BaBaBlacksheep , @PrideisBears , aren't bait threads ban-worthy? how about spam?

 

[DC]

Didn't read the 100+ responses...but...

Of course not. However, settling for Fields when it takes no additional draft capital to get the best QB in the draft, is downright insane.

Williams combined with FA, the rest of the draft (including the #9 overall pick!) and ALL of next years picks gets us closer to the Super Bowl than with Fields at the helm IMHO.

 

[pdxbearsfan]

Sure, it was a disappointing performance against the Packers with the playoffs on the line. But at the same time we only lost 17-9 at Lambeau against a team that clobbered the #2 seed and almost took down the #1 seed of the NFC. There is obviousky a gap there, but its not as big as some on here make it out to be. Additionally, we have more assetts at our disposal than most teams to improve pur roster and close that gap.

You're right but that's just to catch up, we want to jump miles ahead of those teams.

 

[DeerBrinker34]

People like to hide behind this. But look at how the people who are arguing for Caleb Williams are acting. Look how many of you guys propped up CJ Stroud.

You guys act like as long as you don't literally say the exact words That we can just ignore your actions and your past posts and past behaviors As if it's impossible to infer what you guys believe from those.

I hate to break it to you, but when you have a track record of certain posts, it's pretty damn easy to infer what you think even if you're not being honest about it.

Take a Midol and eat some chocolate already, damn man!

 

[bamainatlanta]

Outside of Kelce they're extremely young at the skill positions on offense. The average age of the 53 is 26.

Snap adjusted averages put them at 22nd in the league in November.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1720633961221660828

They have a lot of youth in their depth charts on offense; problem is a lot of their skill position talent just simply isn’t good outside of Rice & Pacheco. Moore, Toney, Watson, Ross, Helaire and Gray all are below average players. But they are the youngest on defense. That’s scary.

 

[vabearsfan15]

The GB game wasn’t nearly as close as the score indicated. Not trying to be disrespectful, but referencing the score might lead one to believe that you didn’t actually watch the game.

The only noteworthy win CHI had last year was against DET. Just one.

I said it was a dissapointing performance, which alluded to the game being much worse than the score indicated. Even then, give GB another TD, it doesn't change my perspective. The point is that I don't see the gap of talent as wide or insurmountable as some make it out to be. We still ended the season on a 5-3 note.

It literally took one player for our defense to come together and completely alter how we performed. From the moment Sweat joined we never lost a game by more than one possession. And after a dreadful start, by season's end our defense we led the league for most interceptions. I think it really may only take a few more players to put us right there in the conversation. And the thing is, we have the assetts to make it happen.

Add a true #2 receiver, a Good interior OL, a swing tackle, another top end edge rusher, and a decent safety. I suppose we can potentially upgrade at QB, too with our #1 pick. It's all possible.

 

[SugarWalls]

@Mighty Joe Young you once again made a thread with a premise no one believes. Do we need another poll? Do you have no shame in being this idiotic?

 

[Canth]

On the record...

Trade the pick. Not a QB away and I'm not all in on Caleb anyway.

Need at at least 3 starters on offense and easily make the case for 4.

Same story on defense. Legitimately need 7-8 players before this roster is ready to compete.

Also, need death, because the Bears were so lucky with injuries this season.

Are you serious? 7-8 players on defense away? WTF dude. Have you not paid attention to how many resources they have already put in that defense in the last 2 years?

I posted this previously, but here it is again:

• 2nd round picks on Gordan, Brisker, Dexter, Stevenson, Sweat (2nd round pick plus the contract for Sweat)
• 3rd round pick on Pickens
• FA money to Edmunds, Edwards, Walker, Jones, Billings

The Bears need to add a pass rusher to the defense and it is ready to compete in the playoffs.

They need depth everywhere, but I would argue that is true of every team in the NFL. You always need or want more depth.

Really, if you pay much attention to what kind of teams make the playoffs then in my opinion it becomes rather obvious:

The teams with elite QB's are pretty much always in the playoff hunt. It really does make a difference when you have that guy that can make the plays when you need them. I have no idea if Williams is going to be one of those guys, but he seems to have the tools that he could become one. For various reasons, so far it doesn't look like Fields is one of them.

Beyond that, teams that have a good run of staying healthy, especially to key starters, can make a run at the playoffs or in the playoffs. I think I read a while back that about half the teams change in the playoffs from year to year. And a lot of it often comes down to which team was able to stay healthy in a given year.

I would argue that the last couple of Bears teams that made the playoffs fall into that category. They were good teams that stayed healthy, their depth wasn't really tested, and they were able to make the playoffs. And then they can't get back into the playoffs due to injuries along with not having an elite QB when they have had those good teams.

Obviously, QB is a key starter and if your elite QB gets hurt, you're probably fucked. I think the Colts had that famous quote regarding Manning on that for why they didn't give reps to the back-up. It was along the lines of "If 18 gets hurt, we're fucked. And we don't practice fucked".

 

[doctorbear]

Youre 1 GM, a coaching staff, and a QB away

 

[mecha]

the 4 conference championship teams all have very well rounded rosters and can do pretty much whatever they want on offense or defense.

the Bears aren't going to a Super Bowl in 2024 and probably never will again. if this bothers you then you should probably find another team to follow that realistically has a chance at getting there.

the 49ers are a heavily stacked team that got injuries to key players at the very wrong time but were still very much capable of winning with Mr. Irrelevant. the offensive mastermind that everyone beats off aggressively to just had a significant botch in the scheme and blew the game at the end. if Brock Purdy can do it you don't need Patrick Mahomes level talent. you just need the rest of the team to make shit happen. the 49ers should've won that game.

 

[gpphat]

There was no better time than now to make a move and offer Ben Johnson a whole bunch of money to come here and get Caleb Williams to play with. Instead, we might be doing what we did with Fields, giving Williams a lame-duck coach and then switching everything around on him again. I hope not, but it's looking like that could happen. Poles better go all-in around Williams from a roster standpoint this offseason.

Or to have at least made a play for Vrabel

 

[Nelly]

Ben Johnson cant figure out the D of the coach you want him to replace. The same D people say is basic and is outdated except apparently when it is matched up against Ben Johnson's offense.

Eberflus can coach defense, no doubt. Johnson's offense took the Detroit Lions of all teams to the conference championship and they had a shot at winning it. If you're looking for the next Sean McVay, Johnson seems to be about as close as you'll find, and I'd prefer to pair that with a highly touted QB prospect rather than Eberflus/Waldron. I hope I'm wrong though.

Edit to add: I'm not in-love with Johnson specifically. If there were to be another exciting young offensive mind that had some head coaching qualifications I'd like to see that as well. We gave Fields a guy who had never called plays before. Waldron is better than that but still, i'd ideally like a guy there who ascended to being a head coach because of his offensive prowess. It is what it is though.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

the 4 conference championship teams all have very well rounded rosters and can do pretty much whatever they want on offense or defense.

the Bears aren't going to a Super Bowl in 2024 and probably never will again. if this bothers you then you should probably find another team to follow that realistically has a chance at getting there.

the 49ers are a heavily stacked team that got injuries to key players at the very wrong time but were still very much capable of winning with Mr. Irrelevant. the offensive mastermind that everyone beats off aggressively to just had a significant botch in the scheme and blew the game at the end. if Brock Purdy can do it you don't need Patrick Mahomes level talent. you just need the rest of the team to make shit happen. the 49ers should've won that game.

They can buy tickets just like anyone else…

 

[DaaBears]

the 4 conference championship teams all have very well rounded rosters and can do pretty much whatever they want on offense or defense.

the Bears aren't going to a Super Bowl in 2024 and probably never will again. if this bothers you then you should probably find another team to follow that realistically has a chance at getting there.

the 49ers are a heavily stacked team that got injuries to key players at the very wrong time but were still very much capable of winning with Mr. Irrelevant. the offensive mastermind that everyone beats off aggressively to just had a significant botch in the scheme and blew the game at the end. if Brock Purdy can do it you don't need Patrick Mahomes level talent. you just need the rest of the team to make shit happen. the 49ers should've won that game.

Why are the Bears probably never going to the Super Bowl again?

 

[Bearly]

LOL at this thread and it's either/or postings. Rebuild is 1 year in after the tear down. I suspect that we're not going to the SB next year.

 

[Nelly]

LOL at this thread and it's either/or postings. Rebuild is 1 year in after the tear down. I suspect that we're not going to the SB next year. View attachment 34853

Things would be a lot simpler if Carolina gave us the 4th overall pick instead of the first. We'd ride with Fields, add Harrison Jr. and maybe Turner/Latu/Verse and people would be excited to see if the Bears can make it to the playoffs and maybe even make a run. We'd all hold out hope that Fields can take another step.

Instead, we're here, with people going nuts about all sorts of things.

 

[abegibronreborn]

Because I really want to get the pulse on this.

This isn't about Caleb Williams vs Justin Fields, so if you want to turn it into one of those threads, **** you.


Just objectively tell me, in your opinion, do you really think all this roster is missing is Caleb Williams and off we go to the Super Bowl?


Because that's how a lot of you guys are talking, and when I compare the Bears' roster to the 49ers, Lions, Chiefs and Ravens and shit, even the Packers, the Bears still have some significant holes.

And the reason I even bring this up, is because I suspect the same people who will say "well, even with Williams, of course the Bears have holes that need to be filled before we can compete for a Super Bowl) were some of the same people looking at CJ Stroud and using him as justification for drafting Williams, because somehow a magical QB can just carry people to Super Bowls, even though CJ Stroud did NOT do that for his team, and got absolutely SMOKED when playing a legit team in the Ravens.

So which is it? Pick a lane.

Because those of us who want the haul, see an opportunity to close a 2-3 year talent gap in a single draft with the picks and players we'd be getting back, plus see a San Fransisco team that almost won a Super Bowl with a QB who wasn't exactly God's gift to quarterbacking.

One rookie quarterback away?

No.

It does all start with the quarterback, however, and all quarterbacks in the NFL are rookies first.

So, if the feeling is that Caleb Williams will eventually be a better QB in this league than Justin Fields is, you absolutely grab him when you have the opportunity. If the feeling that he isn't, you stick with Justin.

The importance of the QB position could not be more perfectly illustrated by what happened this season...The Kansas City Chiefs stumbled along this year, losing to the likes of the Las Vegas Raiders on their way to a #3 seed by virtue of winning a very weak division. Baltimore, Buffalo and San Francisco all seemed to have superior rosters top to bottom...Once the Chiefs were in, however, the team with the better quarterback just kept winning, until they had won it all. Mahomes lifted his team above the rest.

Can Caleb Williams be that guy? No one really knows for sure, so it all comes down to your best (and hopefully educated) guess. It could go horribly wrong (Mitchell Trubisky) or you could hit the jackpot (Patrick Mahomes). Whether or not the Bears take the gamble we'll find out in 72 days.