CCS: lebron is the best at everything

[Glide2keva]

LeBron James Misses the Game-Tying Shot - 2/27 - YouTube

You know who is a better 3point shooter than Lebron? Wade, who has been wide open in the left corner! (Actually that play was designed for Wade!)

LeBron misses game tying shot - Miami Heat vs Chicago Bulls (03-06-2011) - YouTube

Look how the wide open Mario Chalmers in the left corner gets the ball.....ups, he doesn´t! Instead he tries to make a layup over a center!

By the way, the Bulls won a game with the same play because Rose was smart enough to pass that ball!

Luol Deng Game Winning Corner 3 beats Miami Heat 2/24/11 - YouTube

Don´t get me wrong, he is a hell of a player, but he is not that smart as you make him!

Of course given those plays and Wade is definitely a better three point shooter than james is. I never said he wasn't.

Early in lebron's career, he would make the same play Rose made against Miami late in the game. Then he got bashed for it, even though it was the right play to make. I guess he started listening to the boo birds and started trying to take it on his own, but that's not his game. He plays like a PG in a PF's body.

He stopped making the right play in those situations and started the dribble dribble dribble until the clock runs down and then run into somebody and throw the ball in the air, hoping for a foul call. He's not a great FT shooter, so that isn't the right play for him. His problem now is that he pays too much attention to what the critics say, instead of playing his game, all game.

 

[Diddy1122]

There's no doubt Lebron listens to critics & haters. The real question is: Is he going to come on home?

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEScpI9ln9w]NBA: Inside the NBA - LeBron James Hairline - "The Decision" 02/09/12 - YouTube[/ame]

 

[houheffna]

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This is true. Just because he can score a lot of points, doesn't make him an overall smart basketball player. The game is more than scoring the ball. It's making the right play, at the right time. Kobe was never good at that for the most part. This is a man who will have guys wide open, and still hoist up a turn around, fade-away, 3-pointer with 3 hands in his face, because he refused to pass the ball. He takes more bad shots than anyone I've seen. I think I said that before also. You gonna tell me that that's smart basketball? Kobe thinks that he has to take every shot and sometimes, that's not the correct basketball play. The thing I give lebron is that he makes the correct play, even if he get crucified for it. His basketball IQ is higher than Kobe's and I don't see how anyone can dispute that. lebron has a PG's mentality which requires a high BBIQ.

Yeah, that was Kobe 15 years ago. You don't win 5 titles by taking all the shots with three dudes in your face. He did stuff like that when he had Kwame Brown on his team. As far as making the right play at the right time...again, an asinine statement. He played the same damn role in the same damn offense as Jordan played in. Jordan took more shots and averaged a half an assist more in his career. Stop the madness.

Just because you disagree with it, doesn't make it stupid.

Its stupid because...its stupid...

Again, you say this like you're some sort of authority. You value your opinion way too much. You come off like a blowhard and a bully because you don't agree with someone. You hurl insults, even when none are being thrown at you. You don't respect anyone's opinion if they don't agree with you. I don't agree with the things you say, but I don't throw insults at you because of it.

What authority? That was my OPINION! And its a fact that when you were faced with the dumb statement you made, you tried to back track saying you meant Kobe was basketball dumb compared to Jordan. That is not what you said, and to spin it another way was lame.

And you're still wrong. It wasn't about bashing the people who have a high opinion of lebron james. It's about those people not letting the people who don't grovel at his feet, or worship at his throne having the ability to say something without being attacked for it.

Just as I should say something critical about Derrick Rose or Luol Deng without being attacked for it. If I remember right, you showed up last Christmas attacking me and another poster for being critical of Rose after the Christmas game (2010) against the Knicks. As opposed to blaming referees or the commish, we blamed the players on the court for the loss, and you attacked us. Had nothing to do with Lebron, or any other player. That was my intro to you the poster....whining like a *****, and eventually putting down the WHOLE FORUM saying none of us were real Bulls fans, and then threatening to leave the forum. So you are the hypocrite around here.

This is BULLS forum, yet we have people dissing the Bulls players, defending other teams' players, not believing in this team, begging for other stars to come here. I'm calling that type of attitude out.

Yeah, here you go again with your dumb ass Malcolm X imitation. You have done this before, do you have dementia or something? You have called me out plenty of times, tried to get the whole board to ban me...AND NOBODY GAVE A DAMN!

So YOU were the one attacking ME after every compliment I was given by another poster. Putting down anything positive with my name attached to it. Grow up dude. YOU are the one who tried to be some authority around here, and you were rebuffed. Don't accuse me of doing it. I just give my opinions. Even now, when you ask me a question, I answer said question. But I have been attacked plenty of times. And you know what is interesting?

if some of the old school people like Lefty were still on here, you would have been eaten alive.

 

[houheffna]

lebron does have a higher BBIQ than Kobe. That's fact.

Really? So now who is the "authority" around here...hypocrite!

 

[houheffna]

Lebron is a better shooter from long range than Wade is...Wade has yet to make a 3PA this season while Lebron is shooting 37%

Lebron's BBIQ is not the problem, its his heart. He does questionable things during crunchtime. But Lebron is a very smart player.

 

[inactiveuser1]

So I'm just a little confused here, Hou are you a Lebron supporter or no? I confused

 

[CODE_BLUE56]

I'm not bashing lebron at all. Just stating that you can't have a not so glowing opinion of him without being bashed for it by the lbj defense force. That doesn't preclude me from thinking that he has a higher basketball IQ than Kobe Bryant.

Actually, it isn't. He care too much what the media thinks of him and lets bullshit get in his head and derail his game. If he can learn to tune out the criticism or take on a more MJ like "Oh yeah? Watch this!" type of attitude, his recent 4th quarter shortcomings will eventually go away. He has to stop being passive late in the game. By that I mean he has to stop shying away and deferring at the wrong times.

If he has the ball at the top of the key and it's late in the game, he can have the defense at his mercy. He sees the floor the way a PG sees it and he knows what needs to be done. He knows the correct play is to drive, draw the D in and kick it to an open shooter. He can make that play in his sleep. But those late game situations recently have resulted in him just passing the ball and running to the 3-point line off the ball. Which is not the correct play.

I think he does that because he listens to the criticism of Skip Bayless, Screamin' A. Smith, Tim Legler, etc. and let's it get to him. Now when he's attacking and playing his game, there's not much you can do to stop him. Really.

Now, Kobe in the same situation wouldn't give a shit about the media or his teammates and just dribble around and dribble right into a bad and highly contested shot with teammates open.

That's the difference, to me at least.

A. i said one of the things..not THE thing..there are multiple factors that have kept lebron from winning them..i think you highlighted one of them

B.Lebron had decent basketball IQ..but part of basketball IQ is being able to assess and adapt to certain situations..so you could argue that what you are describing would technically fit under a sub category of basketball IQ..

i wouldnt say there's a set aspect of the game that you can completely judge basketball IQ off of...ex. shot selection

it really has to do with a multitude of things

 

[houheffna]

So I'm just a little confused here, Hou are you a Lebron supporter or no? I confused

I don't know what that means...support what? I think he is the best player in the league by a sizable margin and I think he is the most talented player in NBA history. I also think most of the hate he gets is undeserved. I don't support him the way I did Hakeem in the 1990's, matter of fact, I have never rooted for Lebron. But I wanted him to come to Chicago more than anything.

 

[clonetrooper264]

There's no doubt Lebron listens to critics & haters. The real question is: Is he going to come on home?

NBA: Inside the NBA - LeBron James Hairline - "The Decision" 02/09/12 - YouTube

Man working with those guys must so fun...

 

[Glide2keva]

So I'm just a little confused here, Hou are you a Lebron supporter or no? I confused

Nah, he just gets mad at anyone who dares say anything bad about him.

 

[Glide2keva]

Really? So now who is the "authority" around here...hypocrite!

Not you obviously.

But if you watch them play, it's pretty obvious.

 

[houheffna]

Not you obviously.

But if you watch them play, it's pretty obvious.

That's the problem...you don't know what the hell you are watching. Why would Michael Jordan say that a dumb player is worthy of comparison to him? What kind of sense does that make? Good grief, just admit you made a dumb ass statement and move on with your life.

 

[Glide2keva]

A. i said one of the things..not THE thing..there are multiple factors that have kept lebron from winning them..i think you highlighted one of them

Sure there are. No doubting that. I was just going on the point you made.

B. Lebron had decent basketball IQ..but part of basketball IQ is being able to assess and adapt to certain situations..so you could argue that what you are describing would technically fit under a sub category of basketball IQ..

Yes he was a better decision maker early in his career. He's not doing that now on a consistent basis.

I wouldn't say there's a set aspect of the game that you can completely judge basketball IQ off of, ex. shot selection

Of course, but with a guy like Kobe, it's the most glaring aspect of his game. He also doesn't make the right play a lot of the time. And that is attributed to him being selfish and not wanting anyone else to shine but him. Look at how he plays with bynum and pau. They don't get as many touches as they should because Kobe doesn't get them the ball.

Look at his last 6 games as an example.

11 of 29
11 of 24
10 of 26
6 of 16
7 of 23
9 of 21

54 of 139 = 38% FG = 27 PPG while averaging 3 assists a game.

That's not smart basketball. Bynum and Pau get hardly any touches, so their production suffers. If he cut down on his shots, run the offense and get the ball inside, he'd have better shots and his FG% would go up. Thus I say he has a low BBIQ, because he flat out refuses to get this.

it really has to do with a multitude of things

In this regard lebron is a smarter player and thus has a higher BBIQ than Kobe.

 

[houheffna]

Yelp! Very obvious...


Kobe Bryant has highest 'basketball IQ,' poll says - Ball Don't Lie - NBA

 

[Glide2keva]

That's the problem. You don't know what the hell you are watching. Why would Michael Jordan say that a dumb player is worthy of comparison to him? What kind of sense does that make? Good grief, just admit you made a dumb ass statement and move on with your life.

Maybe because he knows it's going to happen regardless of what he says. Jordan is the best player ever IMO, but that doesn't mean he's the best talent evaluator. Kwame Brown anybody?

And I do know what I'm watching. I've watched a guy play the same amount of minutes Jordan did, take way more shots, make less shots, and shoot a lower percentage and have way less assists and steals. IN THE SAME AMOUNT OF MINUTES PLAYED! I didn't say Kobe was dumb, you said that. I said he has a low BBIQ, which I think he does. I also said that lebron has a higher BBIQ than Kobe does and that Jordan himself has a higher BBIQ than Kobe does, of which i feel both are true statements. You're just hellbent on proving me wrong. Which I don't get.

If I'm so wrong, why respond to me? And, I'm not trying to be anything more than civil with you. I'm not interested in arguing with you.

 

[Glide2keva]

Yelp! Very obvious...


Kobe Bryant has highest 'basketball IQ,' poll says - Ball Don't Lie - NBA

Oh, well that proves it

My problem with you is that you seem to base your opinion on what other people say rather than coming up with your own opinion. It's like you're afraid to be wrong. I will be wrong, when I am. But at least I put my own opinion out there and not some regurgitated crap from some ESPN "expert".

I said if you watch them play. Meaning you sit there and watch the two of them with your own eyes and assess them yourself without anyone outside of yourself influencing your opinion, You can tell who has the higher BBIQ.

How did you respond?

By putting up a link to a poll of other people's opinions. Not giving your own opinion, you're putting other people's out there.

I put my opinion out there, if it's wrong, it's wrong. But it's mine and mine alone.

I can do that too though. here's someone's opinion on the numbers posted, from another board.

if you wanted to prove that Kobe isn't that good, all you needed to do was point out that he plays with two of the best big men in the game and gets favored by referees, yet his team is still mediocre.

those numbers you posted are pretty bad too. Kobe's playing style changes on the whim, and this season he reverted to low IQ hero-Kobe. bummer, dude.

What does his opinion matter? Nothing. But it seems that I'm not the only one who thinks that he has a low BBIQ. But it don't matter what he thinks, just like the poll you posted doesn't matter. Give your own opinion.

 

[houheffna]

Oh, well that proves it

My problem with you is that you seem to base your opinion on what other people say rather than coming up with your own opinion. It's like you're afraid to be wrong. I will be wrong, when I am. But at least I put my own opinion out there and not some regurgitated crap from some ESPN "expert".

I said if you watch them play. Meaning you sit there and watch the two of them with your own eyes and assess them yourself without anyone outside of yourself influencing your opinion, You can tell who has the higher BBIQ.

How did you respond?

By putting up a link to a poll of other people's opinions. Not giving your own opinion, you're putting other people's out there.

I put my opinion out there, if it's wrong, it's wrong. But it's mine and mine alone.

I gave you my opinion...I told you that you didn't know what the hell you are talking about...I told you that yesterday. I just found that article. I just find it ironic that players and coaches in the NBA said that Kobe's IQ is amongst the highest in the league and you accuse him of having a low IQ.

I am not leaning on their opinions for any other reason then to show you how dumb your opinion is. Maybe if you learned the game...I don't know, through some "expert"...you wouldn't say some of the things you say.

 

[thechosenone]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmK1R17QpJU]Why Michael Jordan Was Better Than Kobe Bryant - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Glide2keva]

I gave you my opinion...I told you that you didn't know what the hell you are talking about...I told you that yesterday. I just found that article. I just find it ironic that players and coaches in the NBA said that Kobe's IQ is amongst the highest in the league and you accuse him of having a low IQ.

Saying that isn't really refuting anything I said, that's jus you being an asshole or a bully. And like I said, I don't really care what they think, I made my opinion by watching him make the wrong play time and time again.

I am not leaning on their opinions for any other reason than to show you how dumb your opinion is. Maybe if you learned the game...I don't know, through some "expert"...you wouldn't say some of the things you say.

I learned the game by actually lacing up a pair and playing the game from sun up to sundown. I played PG and see the game through that point of view. So when I watch the game, I'm watching the whole floor. I watch the play develop and see where the ball should go. What I see when I watch Kobe is him constantly breaking the offense to get his shots up. That's not smart basketball and no amount of "expert" opinion can change that.

 

[Glide2keva]

Why Michael Jordan Was Better Than Kobe Bryant - YouTube

I was looking for this video, but couldn't find it. Thank you for posting it.