Chelios and Roenick

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I have mixed emmotions on the subject. I always thought Cheli was an excellent player when he played for the Hawks, plus he was a home town boy. He gave his heart and soul when he played here. I'm like most fans and was really pissed when he signed with the Wings, but the Hawks were letting players go left and right at the time and I think he was on his way out as well. They had already got rid of Suter, Carnie and Weinrich, 3 out of their top 4 defenseman within one year. Hawks management used the age thing with Cheli, but what it really boiled down to was Dollar Bill Wirtz and the money.



Personally as much as I was upset with the deal, I understood it was a business move. Plus after having my heart broken when my boyhood ideal Hull left, Cheli being traded to the Dead Things was nothing compared to that deal. I'm not going to totally blame B Wirtz for that, A Wirtz had a lot to do with the out come and Hull was no angel........another day another time on that.



I really believe that Chelios thinks a lot of people that were booing him or don't respect him was because he went to the Wings. My biggest ax to grind all these years has been the 75th Anniversary picture. I don't remember if I was at the game and saw the picture on the score board or in the paper the next day, but it really pissed me off. It was an honor to be asked to be in that picture with all those great players and to be be part of the Blackhawks heritage. How disrespectful can you be to the culture and history of the team and wear another jersey. If he didn't want to respect the tradition then he should have had the class to say no rather than to except so he could make some pussy ass statement to management. Personally if I was in charge, he would have never been in the picture unless he was wearing a Hawks jersey. I'm sure some of the players were pissed and thought he was an asshole for doing it, but they were classy enough not to let him ruin the moment.



If I would have been at the game I would have never booed him because I have respect for his family being there, but I have no problem with the people who did boo him. JR...one of the best US players and at times over opinionated...that's just JR.
 

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I think Roenick deserves more as a Hawk then Cheli.



Roenick wanted more money, which I believe he deserved, and the "Old Man" and his rubber band wallet didn't want to give it to him. So they traded him. Roenick I don't believe asked for the trade.



Cheli, told the Chicago faithful that he wanted no part in ever playing for the Red Wings and then requested a trade to Detroit and eventually won a cup with them instead of the Hawks. That's a major slap in the face to the fans.
 

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Tp me they are are part of the Hawks family. Chelios though, too soon. Give it a little bit.
 

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For those there, was Chelios Heritage Night a failure?
 

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I think Roenick deserves more as a Hawk then Cheli.



Roenick wanted more money, which I believe he deserved, and the "Old Man" and his rubber band wallet didn't want to give it to him. So they traded him. Roenick I don't believe asked for the trade.



Cheli, told the Chicago faithful that he wanted no part in ever playing for the Red Wings and then requested a trade to Detroit and eventually won a cup with them instead of the Hawks. That's a major slap in the face to the fans.





Did you read anything I said up there at all? JR did not want more money. JR's agent LIED to the old man. He was making 5 mil per year and had another year left. Reading works wonders.



Besides how old were you 6?
 

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Did you read anything I said up there at all? JR did not want more money. JR's agent LIED to the old man. He was making 5 mil per year and had another year left. Reading works wonders.



Besides how old were you 6?



Negative, I only put in my opinion per the thread, I didn't read anything you posted as I started on this page.



Yeah I was about 6, I don't remember that as much as I remember the Chelios trade and the Amonte deal. I grew up watching the Hawks every away game possible with the TV on mute and the radio going.
 

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Negative, I only put in my opinion per the thread, I didn't read anything you posted as I started on this page.



Yeah I was about 6, I don't remember that as much as I remember the Chelios trade and the Amonte deal. I grew up watching the Hawks every away game possible with the TV on mute and the radio going.





Yea JR's agent fucked him. Similar to what I think happened to Niemi with Zito. It had almost nothing to do with JR as I understand it. JR was making 5 mil per year. He didn't get more in Phoenix.



Read above LOL!



Chelios is a different story. His Agent brokered the deal with the Wings. He went back on his word and took it. Oh well it got him TWO more Stanley Cups with the teams jersey I assume he'll retire in. Maybe they should have honored him there?



I heard tonight that within two years He'll be working for the Hawks in the same capacity he's now working with the Wings. We'll see.
 

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Yea JR's agent fucked him. Similar to what I think happened to Niemi with Zito. It had almost nothing to do with JR as I understand it. JR was making 5 mil per year. He didn't get more in Phoenix.



Read above LOL!



Chelios is a different story. His Agent brokered the deal with the Wings. He went back on his word and took it. Oh well it got him TWO more Stanley Cups with the teams jersey I assume he'll retire in. Maybe they should have honored him there?



I heard tonight that within two years He'll be working for the Hawks in the same capacity he's now working with the Wings. We'll see.



I have no idea what he is doing for the Wings now.



If it teaching the players a good workout routine and how to play till you are well into your 40's I am all for that.
 

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I really think that the decisions made by the powers that be after the Roenick/Chelios incidents weigh heavier. That's why I don't really have a stake in this debate. If Chelios goes anywhere but the Wings, this argument is rendered moot. Roenick has always said wonderful things (Kiss my ass, etc.) that could drive fans further away than Chelios, but somehow Cheli's infamous words has buried him according to some. I could care less. Both guys played their hearts out while in the Indian Head, and that's all I've got.
 

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So I just watched the video on CBH. Censorship really? You are the IDIOTS that decided this was a good fucking time and then you completely fubar the audio on purpose? Really?



In a nutshell that is where this Organ-I-zation has come? Really? And it's better now than it was? Something you don't like and you just "edit" it out?



What a fucking joke. Boos or not.



Wow.
 

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After reading this thread there is alot of new info for me regarding Cheli and JR (thanks for that guys).

These two guys where my to favorite Hawks when i started to follow the Hawks in the early 90's. Since it was alot harder to get the info in Sweden then I didnt realy know why they did trade JR and Cheli.



But I remember that I was crushed when I read about it and that he ended up in Detroit, so for that fact alone I kind of disliked Cheli more then JR.



Regardless with all the new fact (for me) on the table I will allways have some problem with Chelios.

But in the long run I hope I can be glad for wath both these guys did for the Hawks.
 

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So I just watched the video on CBH. Censorship really? You are the IDIOTS that decided this was a good fucking time and then you completely fubar the audio on purpose? Really?



In a nutshell that is where this Organ-I-zation has come? Really? And it's better now than it was? Something you don't like and you just "edit" it out?



What a fucking joke. Boos or not.



Wow.



I had mentioned that earlier in this thread.



Certainly appeared to be an epic fail on the behalf of Mr. Marketing.

I am still dumbfounded why they had a heritage night for him now........ make no sense.
 

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WOW for fucks sake is right. Even he's milking the Indianhead again. I bet McD was fuming he didn't get a piece of the action on that one.



Or it was his idea in the first place.....



Just sayin'
 

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