Chicago Blackhawks Rip/Praise Player Thread II

[HawkWriter]

We could have kept Versteeg if we'd cut Olesz the second we got him, which would have only cost us 400k under the cap. That would have saved us a few million beans right there. We could have used the money we're pissing away on Brunette too...

Versteeg and Olesz never crossed paths on the Blackhawks. Versteeg was gone well before Olesz was ever in the picture and we couldn't have kept Versteeg without getting rid of someone else at the time (well over a year ago).

Also, Brunette is signed to a 1 year deal worth 2Mil a year...Brunette hasn't stopped the Blackhawks from signing anyone or getting anyone.

 

[LonghornBob]

Yeah I forgot he went to the Leafs.

I still don't get the Olesz thing at all. We could've cut him, paid 400k, and signed Prospal or anybody. Maybe they thought he was gonna rock. Now he's at the Rock. Ugh...

 

[HawkWriter]

Yeah I forgot he went to the Leafs.

I still don't get the Olesz thing at all. We could've cut him, paid 400k, and signed Prospal or anybody. Maybe they thought he was gonna rock. Now he's at the Rock. Ugh...

Or the Blackhawks were completely fine with burying him in Rockford all along and rather just have no cap hit at all. Right now Olesz has less of a cap hit for the Blackhawks than if he was bought out.

Also, the Blackhawks still had around 4 Mil even with Olesz on the team/cap hit...so he didn't stop the Blackhawks from really signing anyone.

 

[TheChicagoFan]

As much as I love Versteeg, it wouldn't have been worth it to have him on the Hawks. He's a better fit in Florida just like Skille is. He fits in well there. The Blackhawks knew that he was going to be a good player, but they also knew that if they kept him they would have had to overpay him.

 

[derosabomb]

i cant believe we are still talking about kris vertseeg.

 

[LonghornBob]

We're only talking about Versteeg because Brunette, Olesz, and Carcillo have pretty much turned out to be spare parts and Versteeg has 25 points in 20 games.

Maybe there's no real correlation but it sucks to have guys not producing when you've let go of guys who are...

 

[HawkWriter]

We're only talking about Versteeg because Brunette, Olesz, and Carcillo have pretty much turned out to be spare parts and Versteeg has 25 points in 20 games.

Maybe there's no real correlation but it sucks to have guys not producing when you've let go of guys who are...

I'm sorry, but what did you expect out of these guys? Realistically...Carcillo has blown away expectations, Brunette is right on line with his, and Olesz is where most thought he would be. Carcillo and Brunette are on cheap 1 year deals and Olesz is only here because the Hawks needed to take salary back for Campbell.

Should we be talking about how Wisniewski would be a better #5 guy and add some snarl? Why aren't we talking about Ladd and how he would fit in nicely as a LW on the top 6. Or why don't we bring up how well Phil Kessel is doing this year - because he has about as much correlation to Olesz/Carcillo/Brunette as Versteeg does....NONE!

The only person who brings up Versteeg is Capt.Serious, and it is beyond stupid to do so because it means nothing - there is this thing called the Salary Cap...and it is pretty damn important in the NHL.

 

[Everyday I'm Byfuglien]

I'm sorry, but what did you expect out of these guys? Realistically...Carcillo has blown away expectations, Brunette is right on line with his, and Olesz is where most thought he would be. Carcillo and Brunette are on cheap 1 year deals and Olesz is only here because the Hawks needed to take salary back for Campbell.

Whoa there.

I had pretty much no hope for him coming in and was very much pleasantly surprised when he started the year. Physical presence that could hang with Kane and Hossa. Great.

But blown away? No, especially not lately. I still like having him around, but blown away is a pretty strong term for his play.

 

[HawkWriter]

Whoa there.

I had pretty much no hope for him coming in and was very much pleasantly surprised when he started the year. Physical presence that could hang with Kane and Hossa. Great.

But blown away? No, especially not lately. I still like having him around, but blown away is a pretty strong term for his play.

Carcillo was brought in to basically be a 4th line player and is only signed at .775M.

He is playing top 6, doing well with Kane/Sharp (or Kane/Hossa), has solid speed, is great on the boards and forecheck, and is on pace for 30+ points. Also, how many "dumb" penalties has he taken so far this year? He is doing a great job of controlling himself and is drawing penalties with people retaliating on him - the only game I can really remember is the 1st Canucks game where he got a little out of hand.

Where would this team be if Carcillo wasn't fitting in on the top 6? I mean, who would end up playing there? I still don't think he is a long term option, but he is playing great and showing a very nice skill set to go along with the edge that he brings.

 

[TheChicagoFan]

I'm impressed with what Carcillo has done, because I thought he would be a bum, but I wouldn't say that he has blown away everyone. He's been impressive, though.

Brunette has been more than I expected, because I honestly expected him to do jack shit.

Olesz has done exactly what I expected. Nothing.

 

[Everyday I'm Byfuglien]

Carcillo was brought in to basically be a 4th line player and is only signed at .775M.

He is playing top 6, doing well with Kane/Sharp (or Kane/Hossa), has solid speed, is great on the boards and forecheck, and is on pace for 30+ points. Also, how many "dumb" penalties has he taken so far this year? He is doing a great job of controlling himself and is drawing penalties with people retaliating on him - the only game I can really remember is the 1st Canucks game where he got a little out of hand.

Where would this team be if Carcillo wasn't fitting in on the top 6? I mean, who would end up playing there? I still don't think he is a long term option, but he is playing great and showing a very nice skill set to go along with the edge that he brings.

I've had that Canucks game in my mind for a while and was all set to bring it up here. Canucks were setting the tone physically and Carcillo got dumb instead of giving that style of play right back to them.

The reason that game stuck with me is because Carcillo and Mayers were brought in specifically for that type of matchup and Carcillo just ate shit that night (no complaints with Mayers). He looked like the ineffective, trashy player that I assumed he'd be coming into the season.

Yes, he has fit in as a skater and passer on the 2nd line but I think we can safely say that anyone would look good on that Kane/Hossa line they had going earlier.

Carcillo hasn't been bad and in fact I'd definitely consider him a success so far. But he can't fail like he did in that Vancouver game in games like that. That role in that game is his primary job here and he was bad.

 

[TheChicagoFan]

I've had that Canucks game in my mind for a while and was all set to bring it up here. Canucks were setting the tone physically and Carcillo got dumb instead of giving that style of play right back to them.

The reason that game stuck with me is because Carcillo and Mayers were brought in specifically for that type of matchup and Carcillo just ate shit that night (no complaints with Mayers). He looked like the ineffective, trashy player that I assumed he'd be coming into the season.

Yes, he has fit in as a skater and passer on the 2nd line but I think we can safely say that anyone would look good on that Kane/Hossa line they had going earlier.

Carcillo hasn't been bad and in fact I'd definitely consider him a success so far. But he can't fail like he did in that Vancouver game in games like that. That role in that game is his primary job here and he was bad.

I think he just got a little too ahead of himself in that game. He knew coming into the season that playing the Canucks would be where he was supposed to shine. The pressure might have gotten to him or something.

He basically fell into their trap. They wanted him to get out of control and knew that it would be easy to get him out of control. The Canucks were just smart about how they prepared for the game.

 

[southern_cross_116]

Or the Blackhawks were completely fine with burying him in Rockford all along and rather just have no cap hit at all. Right now Olesz has less of a cap hit for the Blackhawks than if he was bought out.

Also, the Blackhawks still had around 4 Mil even with Olesz on the team/cap hit...so he didn't stop the Blackhawks from really signing anyone.

I get tired of bringing that rather salient point up. . .

IT WASN'T THE HAWKS CHOSE BRUNETTE INSTEAD OF (insert player name here)- it was the Hawks chose not to get other player (insert player name here).

Frankly I don't get why some posters don't understand that their beef is actually with the choice of not going for another player -not at the exlcusion of anyone else -but rather just chose to stop right there.

Is it something in the water?


Ok, this is fast becoming an under the radar Joe-ing ... not a good thing. Versteeg?! Seriously, then you have it explained to you, and then you still persist with Versteeg?! I mean yeah that is Arthur Anderson style accounting, where a move 2 off seasons ago had a direct impact in the last offseason -when the guy was off of the team, and not UFA in any event.

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Not to take away from the points made about Carcillo.... I also think that 'blown away' based upon the context HW used, meant that he had lower expectations for the guy -and DC has exceded them ( just imo). But I think that is pretty much all about being close enough to being on the same page with that.

 

[Captain Iago]

Carcillo was brought in to basically be a 4th line player and is only signed at .775M.

He is playing top 6, doing well with Kane/Sharp (or Kane/Hossa), has solid speed, is great on the boards and forecheck, and is on pace for 30+ points. Also, how many "dumb" penalties has he taken so far this year? He is doing a great job of controlling himself and is drawing penalties with people retaliating on him - the only game I can really remember is the 1st Canucks game where he got a little out of hand.

Where would this team be if Carcillo wasn't fitting in on the top 6? I mean, who would end up playing there? I still don't think he is a long term option, but he is playing great and showing a very nice skill set to go along with the edge that he brings.

I mentioned to Dews about Carcillo getting some time in the top six when they signed him (at the time, I was a little excited considering him playing LW with Toews and Kane).

I agree he's definitely not a long-term solution. To coin his phrase, a one year contract is a great way to keep him "playing in his shoes."

Gimme my damn cookie.

 

[Captain Iago]

Kris Verstud with 2 more goals.

Clearly not needed here over guys like Frolik & Fossil Brunette.

Soooooooooooooo Tired. Really, it's time to move on, especially considering your time table is off.

 

[TheChicagoFan]

Versteeg has 25 points with Florida. With the Blackhawks, we're lucky if he has 10-15.

I love him, but he doesn't fit with the Blackhawks. He also has nothing to do with Frolik (who isn't as bad as you make him seem) and Brunette who actually does what he was signed for and expected to do.

 

[derosabomb]

at this point i am now 95% sure joecawks has everyone on ignore (besides his cawk brother) and is just bitching to himself. :shot:

 

[TheChicagoFan]

at this point i am now 95% sure joecawks has everyone on ignore (besides his cawk brother) and is just bitching to himself. :shot:

What a pussy.

 

[LonghornBob]

Somebody explain what "cawks" means...

As far as Carcillo, my main beef with him is that he went out and talked shit about Raffi Torres, and whoever else it was, and sat on his ass and did NOTHING to the guy when he had his chance. He has talked a big game and the only significant hit he's laid on anyone was boarding.

 

[HawkWriter]

Somebody explain what "cawks" means...

As far as Carcillo, my main beef with him is that he went out and talked shit about Raffi Torres, and whoever else it was, and sat on his ass and did NOTHING to the guy when he had his chance. He has talked a big game and the only significant hit he's laid on anyone was boarding.

What hit was called a boarding? Are you referring to the Hurricanes one that he got suspended for but wasn't called on the ice?

Also, Carcillo is tied for the team lead in hits - with 4 less games than the other guy. So, yea...