Chicago Cubs Hot Stove Offseason Thread

[Jntg4]

CO:

 

[DewsSox79]

Remember when he first came here and he wasn't dumber than my 7 year old brother?

rofl!

 

[waldo7239117]

you are not getting cliff lee, no yes but no.

gonzo i doubt gets dealt

dunn no

do you guys read the news? ricketts is in front of wrigley pan handling

The Cubs are in on him (Lee), but it's not happening. Same goes with Dunn. That's all I'm saying.

 

[waldo7239117]

The Cubs sign IF Scott Moore to a minor league deal.

 

[Captain Obvious]

Um, so almost every player in the NL was a Cubs last year, as they would have played road games at Wrigley? I missed them get Pujols I guess. Why the hell did they trade him?

My apologies, I made a slight typo. You act like you never do that.

oh thats right i forgot about the allmighty strikeouts. whoops my bad.

so larry rothschild is going to fix james shields? because larry rothschild is the best in the business?

That's just it - there is nothing terribly wrong with James Shields. He's just a fly ball pitcher that had some extreme bad luck.

In his 4 full seasons, last year was his worst ERA, his worst BB/9, his worst FIP, his worst HR/FB rate, his worst HR/9, his worst LOB%, and his worst BABIP. You guys are acting like he puts up these numbers every year - he doesn't.

So? Unless there is something specific you can point to concerning his mechanics or pitch selection/technique that you think Rothschild will be able to fix (and something that has eluded the Rays coaching staff for the last five seasons), you're essentially arguing that Shields will become a better pitcher by way of some pitching osmosis. You can't just say "he'll be around this great pitching coach, so he'll be a better pitcher", that proves nothing, and supported by nothing.



Right, and that will be the largest percent of his games pitched in one park, more than likely. So why exactly should we not emphasize how he will pitch at his home ballpark, again?



That's just given the net-increase in home run output that we can attribute to his change in venue. Then we have to consider the fact that even though he is a fly ball pitcher, he has had relatively low HR/FB rates throughout his career, and some regression to the mean has the potential to exacerbate the problems seen just from him changing parks. And then, we have to account for the fact that Shields will be pitching in front of a far-worse defensive outfield for the Cubs than he did in Tampa Bay, so it is conceivable that his rates of doubles, triples and singles all go up. This will be through no fault of his own, mind you, as he has no control over his defense, but that doesn't mean that these thinks 1) won't happen and 2) aren't likely.



How do you figure? There's almost no telling what the rotation will be, when it will be fiddled with, who will go on short rest and so on, and thus it's nearly impossible to tell exactly what teams a pitcher will face on the road and how good those teams will be, especially considering the off-season just started.



You're going to have to explain in detail how you came about these numbers. They seem pretty dubious to me, especially considering the two leagues were comparable offensively last season.

Well, all we are doing is predicting and projecting, so you can't prove much, but he'll be around a proven pitching coach, who has had proven success.

Larry Rothschild and Strikeouts | Community – FanGraphs Baseball

Larry Rothschild and Walks | June

Here is the stats on HRs. According to these averages, Shields wouldn't even give up 1 more HR playing most of the time in Wrigley.

Sure is.

Maybe everyone should put Captain Ignore List on the Ignore List...

Go for it.

I love how CO wants people to elaborate more, and when someone does he disappears.

I apologize that I have a play to put on and don't have time to reply to everything on here as soon as it is posted.

Remember when he first came here and he wasn't dumber than my 7 year old brother?

And you are smarter than your 7 year old brother?

 

[Jntg4]

And you are smarter than your 7 year old brother?

Yes I am. But I can't be too hard on you. He's smart for his age. He's got the bring of an 11 year old, so it's OK to be dumber than him.

It's like the show "Are You Smarter Than a 5th Grader?"

 

[Jntg4]

The latest from waldo's source:
VERY interested in James Loney, who would cost a good and a mid-level prospect.
NO Interest in Justin Upton or Stephen Drew.
Interested in Garland, Millwood, and Vazquez, now that Westbrook's gone.
Possible Interest in Jacoby Ellsbury.
Could Trade Byrd if they get a run-producing Outfielder.
Cubs willing to part with Cashner to get Gonzalez.
Interested in a trade for Billy Butler, Todd Helton, Kila Ka'aihue, Nick Swisher, or Luke Scott.
Hendry has been talking more trades than in years past, and is encouraged by talks with other GM's.
Cusb signed Scott Moore.

 

[cubsneedmiracle]

I love how CO wants people to elaborate more, and when someone does he disappears.

You expect something else?

 

[Capt. Serious]

My apologies, I made a slight typo. You act like you never do that.



That's just it - there is nothing terribly wrong with James Shields. He's just a fly ball pitcher that had some extreme bad luck.

In his 4 full seasons, last year was his worst ERA, his worst BB/9, his worst FIP, his worst HR/FB rate, his worst HR/9, his worst LOB%, and his worst BABIP. You guys are acting like he puts up these numbers every year - he doesn't.


Well, all we are doing is predicting and projecting, so you can't prove much, but he'll be around a proven pitching coach, who has had proven success.

Larry Rothschild and Strikeouts | Community – FanGraphs Baseball

Larry Rothschild and Walks | June

Here is the stats on HRs. According to these averages, Shields wouldn't even give up 1 more HR playing most of the time in Wrigley.





Go for it.



I apologize that I have a play to put on and don't have time to reply to everything on here as soon as it is posted.


And you are smarter than your 7 year old brother?

Alot smarter than you.

 

[kleenexbox]

The latest from waldo's source:
VERY interested in James Loney, who would cost a good and a mid-level prospect.
NO Interest in Justin Upton or Stephen Drew.
Interested in Garland, Millwood, and Vazquez, now that Westbrook's gone.
Possible Interest in Jacoby Ellsbury.
Could Trade Byrd if they get a run-producing Outfielder.
Cubs willing to part with Cashner to get Gonzalez.
Interested in a trade for Billy Butler, Todd Helton, Kila Ka'aihue, Nick Swisher, or Luke Scott.
Hendry has been talking more trades than in years past, and is encouraged by talks with other GM's.
Cusb signed Scott Moore.

Holy shit, give me Swisher.

 

[cubsneedmiracle]

Holy shit, give me Swisher.

Swisher is a great product of Yankee Stadium lately.

 

[kleenexbox]

I'd agree with you if he hadn't had success before he went there. He was very productive in a pitcher friendly park when he played with the A's.

 

[Jntg4]

Holy shit, give me Swisher.

Rather have Kila than Swish TBH.

 

[nickofypres]

Holy shit, give me Swisher.

Kila Ka'aihue would probably be the better option. Won't cost as much as Swisher and he's locked up still for a few more years.

 

[kleenexbox]

Kila Ka'aihue would probably be the better option. Won't cost as much as Swisher and he's locked up still for a few more years.

I honestly don't know too much about him.

 

[Jntg4]

He's good.

 

[Jntg4]

The Cubs "seem a lot less inclined" to trade Kosuke Fukudome and Carlos Zambrano, though some clubs believe they'd discuss the latter. Stark says there's a vibe the Cubs will not go after Adam Dunn for their first base opening, instead looking for an above-average defender.

Umm... what?

 

[kleenexbox]

Good, Kosuke needs to stay and be the starting RF next year.

 

[Jntg4]

Why do you want Fuke over Colvin AND Jackson?

 

[kleenexbox]

Why do you want Fuke over Colvin AND Jackson?

I don't think Colvin is any good, all he does is hit for power and if that power goes away he is useless. Can't draw a walk to save his life. We need Fuku to be our leadoff hitter next year. Colvin is an ideal 4th OF.

And Jackson isn't going to be ready at the start of next year. Once he is, I would probably trade Fuku to make room for him. Until that happens, I want Fuku starting.