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Hendry does. It's overpaying players.

i guess i should have been more specific on that not being a plan that I would want for my team, and frankly it really isnt a plan, it is just pure negligence on his behalf with a combination of pressure from the from office before the sale.
 

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also most knowledgeable cub fans wanted to see him gone. the cub fan guys on the radio wanted him gone. keeping him around is going to put this franchise deeper in the hole. but hey if they get dunn it will "sell alot of tee shirts"
 

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forget that soriano came here because the cubs HAD to outbid for him.

and yes....zambrano has been amazing and has earned every penny of his contract (sarcasm) :pity:

Okay, so as a GM, Hendry was supposed to let Z leave? That would have gotten him fired.

also most knowledgeable cub fans wanted to see him gone. the cub fan guys on the radio wanted him gone. keeping him around is going to put this franchise deeper in the hole. but hey if they get dunn it will "sell alot of tee shirts"

Right, because those guys on the radio are there to talk about baseball, whether it pleases the fans who are listening to them, which is where they get their money. And you said you were in business LOL.
 

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Okay, so as a GM, Hendry was supposed to let Z leave? That would have gotten him fired.



Right, because those guys on the radio are there to talk about baseball, whether it pleases the fans who are listening to them, which is where they get their money. And you said you were in business LOL.

i dont lol at my cars or house.

anyway, they arent getting paid to please fans. do you listen to sports talk radio?
 

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i dont lol at my cars or house.

anyway, they arent getting paid to please fans. do you listen to sports talk radio?

They are getting paid to get listeners. Which means they do what they have to get those listeners. Doesn't mean it's what is right. They have to appeal to the majority.
 

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C'mon can we get back on the topic of the thread...thanks!
 

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They are getting paid to get listeners. Which means they do what they have to get those listeners. Doesn't mean it's what is right. They have to appeal to the majority.

Do you listen to B and B? The are the farthest thing from appealing and bending over for the listener and if im not mistaken they are the number 1 rated sports talk show in chicago. Now I am not a fan of them, but I do listen because it is sports and some of the shit they do is pretty funny. but again they arent appeasing the fans.
 

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It is on topic.

If Hendry wasn't here it would be completely different.

Well, no kidding. Different people have different views and theories on how to build and operate a baseball team. I'm sure who ever was here instead of Hendry, would make this roster look much different then it does today. But, does that mean it would look better? No. Not at all.
 

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Do you listen to B and B? The are the farthest thing from appealing and bending over for the listener and if im not mistaken they are the number 1 rated sports talk show in chicago. Now I am not a fan of them, but I do listen because it is sports and some of the shit they do is pretty funny. but again they arent appeasing the fans.

I don't mean it like they do whatever they need to to get listeners. But, I'd be willing to bet that they form their opinions, intentionally or unintentionally, on what a portion of their listener base agrees with.

Part of the fun of sports is disagreeing, but it's not fun when everything is an argument. I'm not saying they do it for everything, but a portion of things, I would say they do.
 

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They are getting paid to get listeners. Which means they do what they have to get those listeners. Doesn't mean it's what is right. They have to appeal to the majority.

That's not necessarily true:

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Definite periodical entertainment venues (like radio shows) don't necessarily have to subscribe to the "consumers are always right" mantra, and its implications (i.e. "always please the consumer"), because there is no positive action (outside of listening) needed from the listeners to bring in revenue. That's why "shock jocks" can "get away with" being so outlandish: people will tune in (thereby increasing their listener ratings, which they can in-turn use as leverage for larger ad-revenue streams) just to hear what they will say next. That is why NBC Radio quickly did an about-face on firing Howard Stern when their demo studies and ratings came back, and why countless other radio stations and corporations throughout the country have done similar things.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand: the Soriano and Z signing/extension were "who gives a shit about salary and contract-length, we're going for the World Series in the next 1-3 years" moves. The org hoped to cash in on what the team had in 06-07 for a WS or two, then after that nobody would give a shit if the team blew with a 38-year old Soriano and/or bat-shit crazy Big Z with immovable deals, everyone would still be riding high from the first WS win for the team in nearly a century (at that time).

All that being said, it was clear (even at the time of the signing) that the Cubs were over-betting their hand with Soriano, as they allowed one not-all-that-good season in the NL East to outweigh the "meh" rest of his career. As with Z, they overplayed their hand yet again (he had one really good season before they inked him to the extension, with the rest being of the "that's pretty good, but not worth top-MLB-starter money" type), but at least with him there was a hope that he would progress with age and hopefully stave off going insane.

It was a gamble that could have worked out, but was ultimately not a very intelligent one, even without the aid of hindsight.
 

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how so? in your opinion?

It could go in about a million or more directions.. You could go from the Trib never authorizing a large budget.. Could be us actually getting Brian Roberts (just for you dewey)..

My thought is.. If we didn't have Hendry during the Trib spending period.. I'm sure we would have spent somewhat wiser.. To what extent.. I don't really know and its pretty much useless to think about.
 

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That's not necessarily true:

boers+and+bernstein.jpg


Definite periodical entertainment venues (like radio shows) don't necessarily have to subscribe to the "consumers are always right" mantra, and its implications (i.e. "always please the consumer"), because there is no positive action (outside of listening) needed from the listeners to bring in revenue. That's why "shock jocks" can "get away with" being so outlandish: people will tune in (thereby increasing their listener ratings, which they can in-turn use as leverage for larger ad-revenue streams) just to hear what they will say next. That is why NBC Radio quickly did an about-face on firing Howard Stern when their demo studies and ratings came back, and why countless other radio stations and corporations throughout the country have done similar things.

Anyway, back to the topic at hand: the Soriano and Z signing/extension were "who gives a shit about salary and contract-length, we're going for the World Series in the next 1-3 years" moves. The org hoped to cash in on what the team had in 06-07 for a WS or two, then after that nobody would give a shit if the team blew with a 38-year old Soriano and/or bat-shit crazy Big Z with immovable deals, everyone would still be riding high from the first WS win for the team in nearly a century (at that time).

All that being said, it was clear (even at the time of the signing) that the Cubs were over-betting their hand with Soriano, as they allowed one not-all-that-good season in the NL East to outweigh the "meh" rest of his career. As with Z, they overplayed their hand yet again (he had one really good season before they inked him to the extension, with the rest being of the "that's pretty good, but not worth top-MLB-starter money" type), but at least with him there was a hope that he would progress with age and hopefully stave off going insane.

It was a gamble that could have worked out, but was ultimately not a very intelligent one, even without the aid of hindsight.

funny how you posted a pic of B and B, a few posts up i mentioned that.
 

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It could go in about a million or more directions.. You could go from the Trib never authorizing a large budget.. Could be us actually getting Brian Roberts (just for you dewey)..

My thought is.. If we didn't have Hendry during the Trib spending period.. I'm sure we would have spent somewhat wiser.. To what extent.. I don't really know and its pretty much useless to think about.

you make me laugh. glad your on this site!
 
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