Coaching /GM Interview Tracker (Liam Coen is a Jag, Pirate Pete is a Raider, Cowboys hired a guy)

[IBleedBearsBlood]

I just got home from work, are people drunk with joy yet?

Not anymore since you started posting.

 

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Who was the better up and coming coach the year Nagy was hired?

The only one you could say is Vrabel, but no one would have wanted a defensive coach that year. I guess you could say Frank Reich but he wasn't young and he was going to Indy 100%.

I didn't say "up and coming", simply the hottest name on the market for head coach. The consensus hot name for 2018 would have been Jon Gruden. He was still young and considered an offensive mastermind at that time. Easily #1 option over Nagy.

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Well 55 wasn't young in hindsight but he was the splash hire at that point.

 

[dennehy]

I didn't say "up and coming", simply the hottest name on the market for head coach. The consensus hot name for 2018 would have been Jon Gruden. He was still young and considered an offensive mastermind at that time. Easily #1 option over Nagy.

He hadn't coached in the NFL or college in 9 years - success in that situation would have been unprecedented. Anyone who considered him an offensive mastermind at that point was an idiot. And he showed that with flying colors in Oakland.

 

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Plus one year later Lafleur, Zac Taylor and Kitchens were hired so a little more research and the Bears could have avoided Nagy altogether.

 

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He hadn't coached in the NFL or college in 9 years - success in that situation would have been unprecedented. Anyone who considered him an offensive mastermind at that point was an idiot. And he showed that with flying colors in Oakland.

Blah. Hindsight is 20-20 so it's easy to say who was an idiot and who was a genius almost a decade later. Nagy was a hot name but as far as being the consensus #1 like Johnson...? I don't think so.

 

[dennehy]

Blah. Hindsight is 20-20 so it's easy to say who was an idiot and who was a genius almost a decade later. Nagy was a hot name but as far as being the consensus #1 like Johnson...? I don't think so.

Has nothing to do with hindsight - most coaches fail. Has to do with what was thought at the time. I don't think most people who pay attention to the NFL thought Jon Gruden was considered an offensive mastermind after 9 years out of any type of coaching. That type of break has never worked out The Raiders predictably went for headlines.

2018 wasn't a great year, for sure, and it's not very often there is one name that is that far above everyone else. You can argue that isn't the case with Johnson.

 

[Les Grossman]

I know right….. those things ALWAYS work!

I know right, it's like why would we want the #1 overall draft pick when we could have the #2 overall

 

[dabears70]

You see the thing is you’re the one who actually brought up race first.

Do you remember saying this? “What makes the crying even dumber is the Bears have interviewed a bunch of weaker white candidates but when weak white candidates get an interview no one cries about that to the same extent.”

What was the point of saying that? It has nothing to do with the subject. Do you really not see how that could be viewed as racist? Could you please quote something that I said that made you believe I was a member of the klu klux klan? Or, did you just threw that out there because you were losing the fucking argument.. just look at the very first reply to this open invitation to engage and you had to bring race up again. You sir, have a problem with racism and this is the point you lose the argument and we are done.

He only re-posted what me and you said after he started with the race thing like he always does. I don't see a single thing that either of us said to do with race besides replying to him. It's just @remydat doing remy things.

 

[dabears70]

No I actually didnt bring up race first. You did.

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The post of mine you cited was over 100 posts after yours as it was post 2784

To pretend you crying about DEI isnt invoking race when DEI stands for Diversity (ie race) is disingenuous. You and dumbasses like @dabears70 were crying about the Rooney Rule while I was sleeping. I woke up and saw you crying about it and commented.

I can find no post of yours complaining about the white candidates with no shot that got an interview. So imagine denigrating black candidates getting chances and then when I draw a parrallel to weak white candidates suddenly I am racist. And then talking dumb shit about open invitation after you called me racist. You came at me sideways. Dont cop pleas now.

You really are a dumb fuk.

 

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Has nothing to do with hindsight - most coaches fail. Has to do with what was thought at the time. I don't think most people who pay attention to the NFL thought Jon Gruden was considered an offensive mastermind after 9 years out of any type of coaching. That type of break has never worked out The Raiders predictably went for headlines.

2018 wasn't a great year, for sure, and it's not very often there is one name that is that far above everyone else. You can argue that isn't the case

Ok a twirl on the google machine says....

Nfl.com #1 ranked hire: Gruden, #5 Nagy.

CBS: Gruden B+ because his contract demands superbowl... Nagy also B+

Athlon Sports: Gruden A, Nagy B-

Yahoo Sports: Gruden A, Nagy B-

Sporting News: #1 Gruden, #2 Nagy

Espn: Gruden #5 most desired, Nagy #25


Like I said, Gruden was the hot name and highest profile. Nagy wasn't even close. Ben Johnson won't be #5 or #25 on anyone's list this season.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

Latest I have seen on Ben's contract is base 13 m a year for 6 years, but with incentives, it could go as high as 16 mil a year.

 

[Mighty Joe Young]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1881698933581525381

 

[dennehy]

Ok a twirl on the google machine says....

Nfl.com #1 ranked hire: Gruden, #5 Nagy.

CBS: Gruden B+ because his contract demands superbowl... Nagy also B+

Athlon Sports: Gruden A, Nagy B-

Yahoo Sports: Gruden A, Nagy B-

Sporting News: #1 Gruden, #2 Nagy

Espn: Gruden #5 most desired, Nagy #25


Like I said, Gruden was the hot name and highest profile. Nagy wasn't even close. Ben Johnson won't be #5 or #25 on anyone's list this season.

Gruden was the biggest name and highest profile, but that doesn't mean he was the most sought after. He was a big name and high profile because everyone knew his name from a super bowl 15 years before and because he was a celebrity analyst. Not because he was considered an offensive mastermind or, in my estimation, a good candidate. But fair enough.

I am also not defending them hiring Nagy, by any means.

Anyway, Johnson being the big name has little to do with how well he will do as a coach. Here's hoping it's a good hire. I applaud the Bears for going out and getting their guys quickly and aggressively.

 

[TheEarlofRobin]

Ok a twirl on the google machine says....

Nfl.com #1 ranked hire: Gruden, #5 Nagy.

CBS: Gruden B+ because his contract demands superbowl... Nagy also B+

Athlon Sports: Gruden A, Nagy B-

Yahoo Sports: Gruden A, Nagy B-

Sporting News: #1 Gruden, #2 Nagy

Espn: Gruden #5 most desired, Nagy #25


Like I said, Gruden was the hot name and highest profile. Nagy wasn't even close. Ben Johnson won't be #5 or #25 on anyone's list this season.

Yeah, and I remember when "everyone" was going to hire Bill Cowher away from his TV job every year for like 10 years.

 

[TheEarlofRobin]

I think the main issue here is remydat's prediction that the Bears would hire Brian Flores and that Flores would retain Thomas Brown as the OC. #REALTALK

 

[Les Grossman]

I think the main issue here is remydat's prediction that the Bears would hire Brian Flores and that Flores would retain Thomas Brown as the OC. #REALTALK

Haha can you imagine…??? Jesus

 

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I wasn't out on BJ but did have him as my number 3. And it was based on resume and he had the weakest out of the 3 with McCarthy, Monken as my first 2.

I wanted McCarthy because I have no faith in our GM that looked at Flus and said that's my guy.. and looked at him again when Harbaugh was coming into the NFL and doubled down on flus..

We don't need poles to identify a potential good HC if he just went with McCarthy, we have to have faith now. BJ has never developed a QB, McCarthy is a guaranteed HC that would develop CW.

But again I don't hate BJ, just the most nervous about the Bears getting it right when they have failed over and over.

Mccarthy was the "safe" choice. I had no desire to see this organization go that route. I'd rather see them aim for the stars and crash then attempt to be average.

I understand the opposite view and appeal of having a proven professional coach, but in my opinion Mccarthy was low hanging fruit.

 

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Yeah, and I remember when "everyone" was going to hire Bill Cowher away from his TV job every year for like 10 years.

Funny, I remember this same board full of people clamoring for Harbaugh last season. Basically the equivalent of Gruden in 2018, either way Ben Johnson has shown that he can run an elite offense which is something the Bears have rarely had. So I'm all in on the hire.

 

[TheEarlofRobin]

Funny, I remember this same board full of people clamoring for Harbaugh last season. Basically the equivalent of Gruden in 2018

Yeah...remember when Gruden won the national title with UCLA? Sorry, I strongly disagree.

 

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Yeah...remember when Gruden won the national title with UCLA? Sorry, I strongly disagree.

I mean he actually won a superbowl, doesn't that count?