Complete cherry-picked, misleading, niche numbers: Eye on Caleb & Jayden

[KittiesKorner]

I feel like at this point, they kind of have to hire Ben Johnson. Get 3-4 new starters on the oline, hire Ben Johnson, and hope that the defense is good enough for a while. Draft some dline, too.

Jornaton Wilma leaked it!

 

[mecha]

Fun fact: Ric Mirer won the UPI Rookie of the Year.

I think that's reason enough to dismiss it as bullshit right. it's not like making the Pro Bowl or being All-Pro.

 

[remydat]

Can’t wait for your inevitable heel turn and 20 page whine fest with two times the drew

Justin Fields isn't coming back sir. Time to move on.

You know you are part of that group too right? Everyone here is. In fact all adults are. Welcome to this we call life.

Nope I try to stay level headed rather than freak out at everything. Bears have been losing for most of my lifetime. Crying every time things don't break right for them is a bit silly at this point. You guys should be used to it by now.

 

[remydat]

It is obvious Jayden Daniels is playing better right now. It is also obvious that he has much better coaching and a much better offensive scheme around him.

Coaching clearly matters. Look no further to how the Bears D was top 10 and kept us in most games all year with Flus calling plays and then looks like one of the worse defenses with Wash calling plays.

So a bit silly to ignore the fact that Kingsbury is a far superior playcaller than Waldron and Brown. Having said that Daniels clearly also has been more accurate than Caleb.

What will be interesting is where they go from here. The raw stats are similar and both are likely to lose their OC this offseason as expect Kingsbury to get a HC gig and Brown to be fired. I don't see much avenues for growth for Daniels and expect perhaps even some regression ala Stroud. By contrast Caleb has a lot of growth to unlock if he can receive better coaching and fix his accuracy issues.

Put another way seems to me Daniels is closer to his ceiling than Caleb is which makes sense given Daniels had 5 years in college and had an OC that has unlocked more of his ceiling than Bears' OCs have unlocked for Caleb.

 

[playthrough2001]

I was at the Bear game and didn’t see a second of the Philadelphia/Washington game.

However, weren’t the Eagles firmly in charge until Hurts was concussed?

I know Barkley was tearing them apart until Hurts went down.

 

[Luke]

CJ was the perfect storm of a solid coach and his own talent. With a year of tape, he’s returning to the mean. The encouraging thing is Caleb has horrendous coaching and you can at least hope for what we’re watching to be a lower end production that can improve with more competent coaching.

not the self-proclaimed top 5 QB in the league!

 

[Luke]

Caleb will be fine. CCS just likes to ****.

predominantly justin stans anyway

 

[remydat]

I was at the Bear game and didn’t see a second of the Philadelphia/Washington game.

However, weren’t the Eagles firmly in charge until Hurts was concussed?

I know Barkley was tearing them apart until Hurts went down.

I wouldn't say firmly in charge but they were up. Think it is pretty obvious Eagles win if Hurts played whole game but Hurts doesn't play D so doesn't change fact JD lit up the Eagles when it mattered.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

It is obvious Jayden Daniels is playing better right now. It is also obvious that he has much better coaching and a much better offensive scheme around him.

Coaching clearly matters. Look no further to how the Bears D was top 10 and kept us in most games all year with Flus calling plays and then looks like one of the worse defenses with Wash calling plays.

So a bit silly to ignore the fact that Kingsbury is a far superior playcaller than Waldron and Brown. Having said that Daniels clearly also has been more accurate than Caleb.

What will be interesting is where they go from here. The raw stats are similar and both are likely to lose their OC this offseason as expect Kingsbury to get a HC gig and Brown to be fired. I don't see much avenues for growth for Daniels and expect perhaps even some regression ala Stroud. By contrast Caleb has a lot of growth to unlock if he can receive better coaching and fix his accuracy issues.

Put another way seems to me Daniels is closer to his ceiling than Caleb is which makes sense given Daniels had 5 years in college and had an OC that has unlocked more of his ceiling than Bears' OCs have unlocked for Caleb.

Kingsbury won't get a HC job

 

[TheEarlofRobin]

The raw stats are similar

According to PFR, Jayden is above the league average in: comp%, TD%, INT%, Succ%, YPA, AYPA, YPC, Passer Rating, NYPA, ANYPA

Caleb is above the league average in: INT%

Caleb is below the league average in: comp%, TD%, , Succ%, YPA, AYPA, YPC, Passer Rating, NYPA, ANYPA

 

[TheEarlofRobin]

Kingsbury won't get a HC job

Bears, tho?

 

[legendxofxlink]

Kingsbury won't get a HC job

If Kingsburys top 5 offense is plug and play at QB like Bears fans think it is, he absolutely should be a HC.

 

[bamainatlanta]

It is obvious Jayden Daniels is playing better right now. It is also obvious that he has much better coaching and a much better offensive scheme around him.

Coaching clearly matters. Look no further to how the Bears D was top 10 and kept us in most games all year with Flus calling plays and then looks like one of the worse defenses with Wash calling plays.

So a bit silly to ignore the fact that Kingsbury is a far superior playcaller than Waldron and Brown. Having said that Daniels clearly also has been more accurate than Caleb.

What will be interesting is where they go from here. The raw stats are similar and both are likely to lose their OC this offseason as expect Kingsbury to get a HC gig and Brown to be fired. I don't see much avenues for growth for Daniels and expect perhaps even some regression ala Stroud. By contrast Caleb has a lot of growth to unlock if he can receive better coaching and fix his accuracy issues.

Put another way seems to me Daniels is closer to his ceiling than Caleb is which makes sense given Daniels had 5 years in college and had an OC that has unlocked more of his ceiling than Bears' OCs have unlocked for Caleb.

I doubt any NFL team hires KK as a head coach. Maybe he goes back to college

 

[dabears70]

Commanders having the 2nd easiest SOS this year compared to the Bears having the 2nd most difficult SOS has to have something to do with it. Daniels has obviously played well, but he's beaten up on a lot of terrible teams and just won a game against PHI with their backup.

True but he didn't play against their backup QB, he played against that Philly defense which is really good and played well and threw an absolute dime on anticipation to win that game.

 

[dabears70]

He's better at avoiding sacks than Caleb. Caleb's pressure to sack ratio was bad in college and has been bad here.

The game is definitely slower for Jayden.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

If Kingsburys top 5 offense is plug and play at QB like Bears fans think it is, he absolutely should be a HC.

I'd be shocked if he gets an nfl head coaching job this cycle. I'm sure he'll have a bunch of interviews but I don't expect teams to be particularly interested. He needs to show some sustained success to get another job. Daniels may just help him do that.

 

[roadwarrior_joe]

It is obvious Jayden Daniels is playing better right now. It is also obvious that he has much better coaching and a much better offensive scheme around him.

Coaching clearly matters. Look no further to how the Bears D was top 10 and kept us in most games all year with Flus calling plays and then looks like one of the worse defenses with Wash calling plays.

So a bit silly to ignore the fact that Kingsbury is a far superior playcaller than Waldron and Brown. Having said that Daniels clearly also has been more accurate than Caleb.

What will be interesting is where they go from here. The raw stats are similar and both are likely to lose their OC this offseason as expect Kingsbury to get a HC gig and Brown to be fired. I don't see much avenues for growth for Daniels and expect perhaps even some regression ala Stroud. By contrast Caleb has a lot of growth to unlock if he can receive better coaching and fix his accuracy issues.

Put another way seems to me Daniels is closer to his ceiling than Caleb is which makes sense given Daniels had 5 years in college and had an OC that has unlocked more of his ceiling than Bears' OCs have unlocked for Caleb.

Spot on.

 

[playthrough2001]

I wouldn't say firmly in charge but they were up. Think it is pretty obvious Eagles win if Hurts played whole game but Hirts doesn't play D so doesn't change fact JD lit up the Eagles when it mattered.

Does he get as many chances if Hurts is playing and the Eagles are controlling the clock and continuing to score points?

 

[Diehardfan]

I'd be shocked if he gets an nfl head coaching job this cycle. I'm sure he'll have a bunch of interviews but I don't expect teams to be particularly interested. He needs to show some sustained success to get another job. Daniels may just help him do that.

He tried that once and ended up being the coach of team anarchy. That is probably what's setting him back.

 

[HansGruber]

Oh look,more cunting by Fields fan boys gushing over the 175lb QB on another team.

Meet the bag of dicks while you exit the stage left.