Countdown To The Trade Deadline: Up To Date Rumors And Discussion(Hawks Edition)

[Captain Iago]

Jesse then should maybe explain how many times he has ever been on any penalty killing unit (as a forward) at any level of the game.

I don't think he has been (any level means just that - any league no matter the skill level -plus also having had actual coaching).... and as a forward, -and one who has been on penalty killing units whenever I was on a team -as a forward, you do not do the shot blocking thing because your job is to take away the PASSING LANES.... you also don't chase the damned puck -but play the fricking box...

you do the try to block the shot deal up high (and considering it is a little like brining in outfielders to pitch in baseball games -or pitchers batting) and congrats there Sparky, but you just created a nice fat screen or redirection -and your goalie probably wants to kill you now.

Seriously, Jessie ought to get out there and try it- or maybe just find the book Ice Hockey for Dummies and give it a browse.

That is disappointing, really .. that some joker gets paid to talk stupid crap like that professionally -all it does is create a lot of ignorant hockey followers :wah:

That's when you're actually playing the box, which the Hawks really haven't been all season until recently. Team is more interested in shorthanded chances than killing the damn penalty.

 

[Captain Iago]

Player Bio - Steven Stamkos

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also, you have to be a 2 way player to be the best player?! really?

In a word, yes; I agree that you do. In terms of centers, Gretzky, Lemieux, and Messier (sure he played w, too) were all more than proficient in their own zone. They all killed penalties well, too. Something Stamkos barely does. Stamkos is not playing those TOUGH minutes accruing wear and tear throughout a season.

If you want to include wingers, Howe, Hull, were also more than proficient in their own zones and pk'd. I honestly haven't bothered to read enough about Richard to know what kind of defensive forward he was to have an opinion about him. He may fit right in with what I'm saying or may be support for your argument.

These guys are the best--and it's no coincidence they had two-way games.

 

[tbo41fan]

In a word, yes; I agree that you do. In terms of centers, Gretzky, Lemieux, and Messier (sure he played w, too) were all more than proficient in their own zone. They all killed penalties well, too. Something Stamkos barely does. Stamkos is not playing those TOUGH minutes accruing wear and tear throughout a season.

If you want to include wingers, Howe, Hull, were also more than proficient in their own zones and pk'd. I honestly haven't bothered to read enough about Richard to know what kind of defensive forward he was to have an opinion about him. He may fit right in with what I'm saying or may be support for your argument.

These guys are the best--and it's no coincidence they had two-way games.

This.

To be the better player, you have to play a 2 way game.

Stamkos is NOT a 2 way forward...

 

[southern_cross_116]

That's when you're actually playing the box, which the Hawks really haven't been all season until recently. Team is more interested in shorthanded chances than killing the damn penalty.

Oh I've been on one of those teams- and the kids there even did it when they had leads (of course I also was aware that the league I was in - had linesmen who didn't understand that you could ice the puck while killing a penalty - but hey ... they don't actually play hockey here)... I forgot to add too - that as a forward - if you do the 'puck blocking' thing - any opposing player with an iota of a brain cell figures out that a quality shot fake gets you sprawling on the ice ... probably like Jessie would look like -- and then basically you got a momentary 5 on 3 -since, you, the genius 'pk forward) have managed to take yourself out of the play ... congrats .. :lmao:

-I am not surprised to hear that- as when you get down in a game - I guess you have to try for the shorties -which if one looks at shorty numbers over the course of a team for a few seasons - they don't generally work as a plan ... with a few exceptions - I think Gretzky got 12 one year -- but then again, Gretzky never needed a plan. I think Graham got 6 for the Hawks one year- but by and large- as a recurring strategy- you probably ought not to rely on it

Of course, I understand that I was preaching to the choir- but it was fun typing it just the same.) Although I sorta felt like Andy Rooney :bizarro:

 

[tbo41fan]

Asked Tim Sassone if the Hawks were interested in Kubina and he said they were

--nothing real earth shattering, but atleast we know Bowman doesnt consider our defense OK as is

 

[DewsSox79]

This.

To be the better player, you have to play a 2 way game.

Stamkos is NOT a 2 way forward...

and some of those guys werent "2 way forwards" by trade, the were avg to above avg in that aspect. Stamkos is AVG and getting better as a defensive minded player while being younger than toews. Comparing the different ERAs, which for the hull as in the son, yzerman, fedorov, goulet, roenick, larmer, gretzky etc to this style of hockey is fucking stupid. I find it amazing that for every arguement on every single player that its not all about points/goals/assists, but about board battles etc. For some of you youngsters that want to believe every board battle is what leads to points/goals/assists you need to watch an archive of a lot of hockey, maybe teams that you have no feeling tords one way or the other. Another thing that is quite funny is how some fans hold on so hard to their current players where it almost seems like they have a bond with that player. God forbid someone mentions anything about trading a hawk.

Your "2 way play" looks alot better when you are in a different era with different rules, hmmm something called the 2 line pass ring a bell?

During the 2004-05 lockout, the league removed the "two-line offside pass" rule, which required a stoppage in play if a pass originating from inside a team's defending zone was completed on the offensive side of the center line, unless the puck crossed the line before the player. The removal of the two-line offside was one of several rule changes intended to increase overall scoring, which had been in decline since the early 1990s.

Keep it coming boys.

 

[DMelt36]

and some of those guys werent "2 way forwards" by trade, the were avg to above avg in that aspect. Stamkos is AVG and getting better as a defensive minded player while being younger than toews. Comparing the different ERAs, which for the hull as in the son, yzerman, fedorov, goulet, roenick, larmer, gretzky etc to this style of hockey is fucking stupid. I find it amazing that for every arguement on every single player that its not all about points/goals/assists, but about board battles etc. For some of you youngsters that want to believe every board battle is what leads to points/goals/assists you need to watch an archive of a lot of hockey, maybe teams that you have no feeling tords one way or the other. Another thing that is quite funny is how some fans hold on so hard to their current players where it almost seems like they have a bond with that player. God forbid someone mentions anything about trading a hawk.

Your "2 way play" looks alot better when you are in a different era with different rules, hmmm something called the 2 line pass ring a bell?

Keep it coming boys.

You're aware that rule was implemented in the 90s and wasn't around for the first portions of the careers of half the guys you listed, right?

 

[tbo41fan]

and some of those guys werent "2 way forwards" by trade, the were avg to above avg in that aspect. Stamkos is AVG and getting better as a defensive minded player while being younger than toews. Comparing the different ERAs, which for the hull as in the son, yzerman, fedorov, goulet, roenick, larmer, gretzky etc to this style of hockey is fucking stupid. I find it amazing that for every arguement on every single player that its not all about points/goals/assists, but about board battles etc. For some of you youngsters that want to believe every board battle is what leads to points/goals/assists you need to watch an archive of a lot of hockey, maybe teams that you have no feeling tords one way or the other. Another thing that is quite funny is how some fans hold on so hard to their current players where it almost seems like they have a bond with that player. God forbid someone mentions anything about trading a hawk.

Your "2 way play" looks alot better when you are in a different era with different rules, hmmm something called the 2 line pass ring a bell?

Keep it coming boys.

Wtf does the 2 line pass have to do with the Toews vs. Stamkos debate?

When did i say Toews was better than Stamkos because of board battles and stuff?

Keep it coming kid

 

[derosabomb]

Wtf does the 2 line pass have to do with the Toews vs. Stamkos debate?

When did i say Toews was better than Stamkos because of board battles and stuff?

Keep it coming kid

dope

 

[Capt. Serious]

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Three teams in on Kubina before he gives his list: Chicago, Philly and Detroit. #NHL #SNTrade

 

[tbo41fan]

Bruce Garrioch @SunGarrioch Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Three teams in on Kubina before he gives his list: Chicago, Philly and Detroit. #NHL #SNTrade

Beautiful

 

[Captain Iago]

Hawks may be in on the Isles's Bailey.

 

[tbo41fan]

@Incarceratedbob**UPDATED NHL RUMORS**Source: Islanders have made Bailey available (Feeling they have depth in system Czikas/Strome) (Hawks/Kings/Ducks)

 

[DewsSox79]

Wtf does the 2 line pass have to do with the Toews vs. Stamkos debate?
When did i say Toews was better than Stamkos because of board battles and stuff?

Keep it coming kid

The fact that CI brought up players from the past, and in my generation of actual hockey that I was alive for, the 2 line pass made it much easier to look at one players defensive aspect to their game and think that it is better than what it really was.

as far as the debate about this with two way play.....

stalberg has more goals than kane, he is also a better physical 2 way forward than kane. if two way is sooooo much more important, than add that stalberg has more goals, you would have to say that you would take stalberg over kane all day right? stating this with your logic not mine. but in reality we all would take kane over stalberg with ease. so to use toews two way play as a huge factor over stamkos is just silly.

 

[tbo41fan]

The fact that CI brought up players from the past, and in my generation of actual hockey that I was alive for, the 2 line pass made it much easier to look at one players defensive aspect to their game and think that it is better than what it really was.

as far as the debate about this with two way play.....

stalberg has more goals than kane, he is also a better physical 2 way forward than kane. if two way is sooooo much more important, than add that stalberg has more goals, you would have to say that you would take stalberg over kane all day right? stating this with your logic not mine. but in reality we all would take kane over stalberg with ease. so to use toews two way play as a huge factor over stamkos is just silly.

nobody said that

to be the best player in the game, you have to play both ends of the ice. period

stamkos doesnt play defense enough to be better than toews

 

[Capt. Serious]

Philly thought they solved their goaltending woes?

Bryz pulled again. They might wanna go grab Nabby.

 

[DewsSox79]

nobody said that

to be the best player in the game, you have to play both ends of the ice. period

stamkos doesnt play defense enough to be better than toews

again, stamkos is avg at that, but is exceptional at goal scoring. all im saying is with your logic you would take stalberg over kane.

 

[DewsSox79]

Philly thought they solved their goaltending woes?

Bryz pulled again. They might wanna go grab Nabby.

they are in every fucking rumor.

 

[DewsSox79]

fucking ecklund is talking about a mason/nash combo.

 

[Capt. Serious]

Mason needs some serious work on his game & to get the **** outta Columbus would help.