Countdown To The Trade Deadline: Up To Date Rumors And Discussion(Hawks Edition)

[DMelt36]

Not True on bold, contract yes.

I tend to follow the trends on players, RG has played less games than PS in the last couple of seasons. I dont care if it was a fracture from a puck to the face. Just my opinion, if im drafting a team im taking statsny all day. last 2 seasons pretty much full seasons for PS, while RG was at 65.

4 of his 8 goals are on the PP, and having 8 goals on a line that really isnt that bad is a bit scary. will his passing help the PP, yeah.

Getz: OPS 1.8
Stastny: OPS 2.7 <<<<< which we really fucking need on this team

Getz: DPS 0.9
Stastny: DPS 1.1

^ Above is not a "WAR" for hockey. If you read about it is pretty dead on, and when you have gaps from one player to the other it does show who is the better overall player with both ends of the ice working.

I will repeat again, evaluations in any sport come from the following: Conventional Stats ( excluding in hockey GAA as for a single player since it is a team stat, and +/- which is subjective. than use advanced stats and or metrics, and the eye test. All by themselves used is very very stupid, you need to use all to gain the proper evaluation of a player.

TOI: 1078 for Stastny
TOI: 1306 For Getz

And yet the only thing he has is more assists, 10 more....lets stasny catch up on TOI and see where they are at. He is a better player before adjustments, and far better after.

He is an overall better player. The only thing that would make me hesitate after thinking about it is contract length.

Now if only there was a stat on "board battles"

First off, do you have a link to where you're getting these OPS/DPS numbers? Want to read up on these.

And you talk about trends that are all detailing regular season stats, but if you're going to compare Getzlaf and Stastny there's one crucial area where Getzlaf blows away Stastny: postseason play.

Stastny played 15 games, 3 + 5 = 8
Getzlaf? 62 games. 18 + 35= 53

And Getzlaf won a Cup with the Ducks, too. Valuable experience to have on your squad. Not that the Hawks don't have any Cup winners on their team, of course. But having a guy that's been through the rigors can't hurt, can it?

On regular season numbers, yeah, Stastny is just as good or maybe even better. But only the Canucks care about regular season trophies.

 

[DewsSox79]

First off, do you have a link to where you're getting these OPS/DPS numbers? Want to read up on these.

And you talk about trends that are all detailing regular season stats, but if you're going to compare Getzlaf and Stastny there's one crucial area where Getzlaf blows away Stastny: postseason play.

Stastny played 15 games, 3 + 5 = 8
Getzlaf? 62 games. 18 + 35= 53

And Getzlaf won a Cup with the Ducks, too. Valuable experience to have on your squad. Not that the Hawks don't have any Cup winners on their team, of course. But having a guy that's been through the rigors can't hurt, can it?

On regular season numbers, yeah, Stastny is just as good or maybe even better. But only the Canucks care about regular season trophies.

hockey reference is where to get a bit more insight on players stats other than goals/assists. same host that does baseball stats conventional and saber.

Yes, playoff experience is a key, i agree. But this isnt a team that is in this need for playoff experience. It isnt like they had this crazy amount of experience the year before they won the cup. To me, it depends on the team. Statsny would be an easy fit for the hawks.

either way we probably wont get either, we are probably going to get a sami pahllson figurine and boytons clone at the deadline...hope im wrong.

 

[DMelt36]

Can we all agree to something for the next 120 hours and NOT post any rumors attributed to Jaeckel or Eklund? Those guys are two of the biggest jokes on the Internet, which I think is pretty hard to accomplish, all things considered.

 

[icehogfan08]

The Fourth Period :: Chicago Blackhawks :: Hawks continue search for center

 

[HawkWriter]

Can we all agree to something for the next 120 hours and NOT post any rumors attributed to Jaeckel or Eklund? Those guys are two of the biggest jokes on the Internet, which I think is pretty hard to accomplish, all things considered.

Ehhh Jaeckel has broken a few things and even when the rumors don't happen for the Blackhawks, you can usually connect the dots. JJ is fine on the rumor front in my eyes.

Once again, a rumor is a rumor. It doesn't mean the deal is going to happen. Think about all the talk that has happened between GMs and there have only been about 5 trades. There have probably been 100s of names exchanged and those are rumors, even if they don't come true. A lot of times a rumor that is posted is 100% accurate, but that doesn't mean that it turns into a deal.

 

[HawkWriter]

I'm not even going to get into the Getzlaf vs Stastny argument more because I have never seen anyone make a case that Stastny is better than Getzlaf, and I think there is a pretty obvious reason for why. I can also throw a bunch of stats out there that would benefit Getz over Stastny. To me it is pretty simple, Getz is easily the better player over Stastny but I would take either for the Blackhawks 2C if the deal is right.

 

[HawkWriter]

Also, in terms of the center that JJ was talking about...apparently it is Jeff Carter.

 

[Everyday I'm Byfuglien]

good player with a bunch of cons

would be a great rental, but he's the furthest thing from that

 

[tbo41fan]

Carter Hutton, a goalie in Rockford is getting his contract switched from an AHL exclusive to a 2 way contract...
Perhaps Emery is on the trading block? Hutton or Salak our future backup goalie?

 

[DewsSox79]

I'm not even going to get into the Getzlaf vs Stastny argument more because I have never seen anyone make a case that Stastny is better than Getzlaf, and I think there is a pretty obvious reason for why. I can also throw a bunch of stats out there that would benefit Getz over Stastny. To me it is pretty simple, Getz is easily the better player over Stastny but I would take either for the Blackhawks 2C if the deal is right.

The reason you havent seen "anyone" pick stastny over getz is because they really dont look that deep into each players skill set.

I expect better counter arguements than "well no one else thinks hes better and stuff" I gave you my take with evidence of him being a better player on both sides and yet you and meatball continue to ignore the facts and just go by what some fans think. the numbers dont lie.

oh and please throw those stats out there. Im curious on your findings.

 

[Everyday I'm Byfuglien]

if they're moving emery, an nhl goalie better be coming back.

I do my best to not get excited or hyped for potential deadline scenarios...

but man would I like to see steve ott as a hawk

 

[DewsSox79]

The Fourth Period :: Chicago Blackhawks :: Hawks continue search for center

grabo would make some of us stan haters quiet down

 

[DewsSox79]

if they're moving emery, an nhl goalie better be coming back.

I do my best to not get excited or hyped for potential deadline scenarios...

but man would I like to see steve ott as a hawk

why?

 

[Everyday I'm Byfuglien]

he's good at hockey

 

[HawkWriter]

The reason you havent seen "anyone" pick stastny over getz is because they really dont look that deep into each players skill set.

I expect better counter arguements than "well no one else thinks hes better and stuff" I gave you my take with evidence of him being a better player on both sides and yet you and meatball continue to ignore the facts and just go by what some fans think. the numbers dont lie.

Honestly...look at any list that TSN, Sportsnet, or any highly regarded hockey website has and Getzlaf will always be well above Stastny. They don't look that deep into a players skill set? They do but they don't have to in this case, Getz is just easily the better player than Stastny. Anyone who watches those two play know that Getz is the better player, the more dynamic player, the tougher player to play against.

I feel like you are just going to carry out this Stastny is better than Getzlaf thing because you got burned on the cap hit aspect and just had to carry through. I don't know anyone who thinks Stastny is better and I'm amazed that someone would say so.

Getzlaf is a bigger player than Stastny. Is better defensively from everything I have seen - though Stastny does have him in face offs. Getzlaf is much tougher and is always willing to crush the opponent on the forecheck - Getz almost averages 3 hits a game over the large portion of his career which is ridiculous for a player of his skill set.

When I look at stats, I'm going to look at the cold hard facts. I'm not going to look at some bullshit about how a player plays in a matinee versus a 7 PM start. Or how they play in Canada vs USA. Those other stats are just a pile of shit in my eyes.

In the last 5 years (including this year) Getz has been over a PPG in 4 out of the 5 seasons. In that same time span Stastny has been over a PPG in 1 out of 5 seasons. Some pretty big numbers there...those certainly don't lie. In the last 5 years, Getz has played in more games than Stastny. If you want to talk about how a player is trending, Getz is on pace for an 82 game season...the guy isn't injury prone.

Getzlaf is the better player. He is better offensively and he is better all around.

 

[DewsSox79]

he's good at hockey

ehhh.

again do you give up shit for him to get bounced in the 2nd round? He is like brassard, he doesnt really propel your team that much more than it is now.

 

[HawkWriter]

ehhh.

again do you give up shit for him to get bounced in the 2nd round? He is like brassard, he doesnt really propel your team that much more than it is now.

I think he does. Toss in the fact that Ott is signed for another 2 years. Ott can play anywhere from line 1 - 3 and is great at the dots. If the Blackhawks were to get an Ott and get bounced in round 2, who cares? He would be here for another 2 years.

Every single team could use a player like Ott. Every team. He helps a lot by putting up some decent points on the board but in so many other ways he helps the team win.

 

[DewsSox79]

Honestly...look at any list that TSN, Sportsnet, or any highly regarded hockey website has and Getzlaf will always be well above Stastny. They don't look that deep into a players skill set? They do but they don't have to in this case, Getz is just easily the better player than Stastny. Anyone who watches those two play know that Getz is the better player, the more dynamic player, the tougher player to play against.

I feel like you are just going to carry out this Stastny is better than Getzlaf thing because you got burned on the cap hit aspect and just had to carry through. I don't know anyone who thinks Stastny is better and I'm amazed that someone would say so.

Getzlaf is a bigger player than Stastny. Is better defensively from everything I have seen - though Stastny does have him in face offs. Getzlaf is much tougher and is always willing to crush the opponent on the forecheck - Getz almost averages 3 hits a game over the large portion of his career which is ridiculous for a player of his skill set.

When I look at stats, I'm going to look at the cold hard facts. I'm not going to look at some bullshit about how a player plays in a matinee versus a 7 PM start. Or how they play in Canada vs USA. Those other stats are just a pile of shit in my eyes.

In the last 5 years (including this year) Getz has been over a PPG in 4 out of the 5 seasons. In that same time span Stastny has been over a PPG in 1 out of 5 seasons. Some pretty big numbers there...those certainly don't lie. In the last 5 years, Getz has played in more games than Stastny. If you want to talk about how a player is trending, Getz is on pace for an 82 game season...the guy isn't injury prone.

Getzlaf is the better player. He is better offensively and he is better all around.

by your opinion? or by fact? The actual FACT is that stastny is a better offensive player than getzlaf hands down! thats fact! All stats prove that.

piles of shit stats? why because you dont understand them? great comeback to that. "well i just wont look at em because tehy arz pilz of shits in my eyes" yeah ok.

On pace? great! he is on pace, on pace is not a stat! the last 2 years 65 games.

 

[HawkWriter]

by your opinion? or by fact? The actual FACT is that stastny is a better offensive player than getzlaf hands down! thats fact! All stats prove that.

piles of shit stats? why because you dont understand them? great comeback to that. "well i just wont look at em because tehy arz pilz of shits in my eyes" yeah ok.

On pace? great! he is on pace, on pace is not a stat! the last 2 years 65 games.

The stats prove that Stastny is a better player than Getz? That's a pile of shit. The stats don't prove that. The stats that you pick out might, but not the overall stats. Getz is over a PPG player in 4 out of 5 seasons while Stastny is a PPG player in 1 out of 5 seasons.

Toss in the fact that Getzlaf is better overall...he blows Stastny away.

You talked about how a player is trending in terms of injury and what not. Getzlaf isn't injury prone and he is showing it this season.

 

[DMelt36]

I have a hard time calling Stastny better than Getzlaf when Getz and his team is in the middle of one of their worst seasons in recent memory, yet he's still matching Stastny's numbers. Not just points, either.