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The problem is, again, that the Tribune and Wrigley family never actually treated the Cubs like a big market team, so revenue streams were basically ticket sales, merchandise and concessions. The large payroll was, again, a smokescreen. The Cubs CAN become a big market team, but that will take a ton of work. The fact is that if you build a team right (2000s Twins, A's, the recent Texas Rangers, Rays) you can get to the playoffs consistently.

You can also look at the Braves. They rarely had a Yankees-size payroll and yet were able to get to the playoffs something like 15 times in a row. Yeah, they only won one championship, but you have to get there first in order to win. The Cubs are trying to set up the small plan first before they become the Yankees of the National League. You have to walk before you can run.

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Also, the Trib was over-valuing the team prior to selling it as part of their chapter 11 re-organization. That's part of why they dolled out that open checkbook to Hendry at the time. Then the current owner payed the inflated price with daddy's $$.
 

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I don't think anyone ever said there were guarantees in baseball. You can draft the best consensus player and he could turn out to be a bust. You can sign the best consensus free agent in the offseason and he could snap his back after sneezing violently and never play the same again.

The issue isn't with guarantees, but rather with philosophy. If you're going to build a baseball team and you want the best MLB product possible given certain financial constraints (yes, even the Yankees have constraints) then you have to have a good philosophy to not just spend on MLB, but on everything else. Right now there's little to no point to spending on MLB, that's why they're funneling the money elsewhere. I think the Ricketts and the Cubs are content with pissing off some fans so that all fans can be happy at some point in the next few years.
 

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If you were smart you would.



How does it feel to not know the differnce between your and you're?

So im suppose to trust a team that hasnt won in 103 yrs? Let me know how that goes for you



Not english class. its a forum
 

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So im suppose to trust a team that hasnt won in 103 yrs? Let me know how that goes for you



Not english class. its a forum

There's still something to be said for typing and communicating coherently. Don't cop out.

Also, this team isn't the same as those other teams. The Wrigleys owned the team for decades, and the Tribune for about 20 years. At this point you can't compare Ricketts to what's happened before. Even the Wrigleys didn't completely suck until after 1945.
 

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I don't think anyone ever said there were guarantees in baseball. You can draft the best consensus player and he could turn out to be a bust. You can sign the best consensus free agent in the offseason and he could snap his back after sneezing violently and never play the same again.

The issue isn't with guarantees, but rather with philosophy. If you're going to build a baseball team and you want the best MLB product possible given certain financial constraints (yes, even the Yankees have constraints) then you have to have a good philosophy to not just spend on MLB, but on everything else. Right now there's little to no point to spending on MLB, that's why they're funneling the money elsewhere. I think the Ricketts and the Cubs are content with pissing off some fans so that all fans can be happy at some point in the next few years.

Very true nothing is a guarantee in baseball. I hope everything works out. I wish i had those goggles on like you guys do lol . Honestly we not going to know whos opionon is right or wrong for another 3-5 yrs..
 

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There's still something to be said for typing and communicating coherently. Don't cop out.

Also, this team isn't the same as those other teams. The Wrigleys owned the team for decades, and the Tribune for about 20 years. At this point you can't compare Ricketts to what's happened before. Even the Wrigleys didn't completely suck until after 1945.

He understood exactly what i put. He just a tool so had to pick on something
 

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So im suppose to trust a team that hasnt won in 103 yrs?

No, you're supposed to trust the new owner and the new FO that has won 2 WS in the last 8 years.

Are you high?





Even the Wrigleys didn't completely suck until after 1945.

They were still pretty inept and a pretty flukey team but I see the point in general.

Fun fact. According to the Bill James Historical Abstract I believe the Cubs hold the record for most wins over a 10 year span. (Keep in mind the abstract last came out in 2003)
 

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I guess another thing that gets on my nerves is hearing Cubs brass keep saying they expect this team to compete for WS this year. Everyone knows that they are going to be horrible. I think if they would just come right out and say we are going to suck for the next 3-5 years while we rebuild the organization i wouldnt as upset. Instead they keep trying to sell they are trying to win so they can keep ticket prices so high.
 

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I guess another thing that gets on my nerves is hearing Cubs brass keep saying they expect this team to compete for WS this year. Everyone knows that they are going to be horrible. I think if they would just come right out and say we are going to suck for the next 3-5 years while we rebuild the organization i wouldnt as upset. Instead they keep trying to sell they are trying to win so they can keep ticket prices so high.

Of course they're going to say that. An idiot and his money are soon parted. That's marketing. But what the Cubs baseball people have actually said is more diplomatic in that they realize there's a lot of work to do, but the ultimate goal is always to try to win the World Series. There will be a lot of "trying" and there will also be a lot of "failing" in the first couple years of the new plan. Sometimes you have to learn to read between the lines.
 

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No, you're supposed to trust the new owner and the new FO that has won 2 WS in the last 8 years.

Are you high?







They were still pretty inept and a pretty flukey team but I see the point in general.

Fun fact. According to the Bill James Historical Abstract I believe the Cubs hold the record for most wins over a 10 year span. (Keep in mind the abstract last came out in 2003)

Trust the Owner that spent more money on McDonalds then any MLB player in 3 years? Trust an Owner who had to defer 10 mil on a 1 yr deal? Trust an Owner who had to borrow 3 mil from Dempster to pay for Nady?
Trust an Owner who drinks the Cubbie koolaid like you? Keeps saying he expects this team to compete. Anyone who follows baseball knows they be lucky to win 75 games. Until the Owner proves he cares about winning il have no trust in him. Doesnt mean i wont follow the Cubs everyday like i do. Doesnt mean i wont watch the team every day on TV. Just means i wont be happy way team is being ran. Thats great thing about being a sports fan. You can have your own opinions
 

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Of course they're going to say that. An idiot and his money are soon parted. That's marketing. But what the Cubs baseball people have actually said is more diplomatic in that they realize there's a lot of work to do, but the ultimate goal is always to try to win the World Series. There will be a lot of "trying" and there will also be a lot of "failing" in the first couple years of the new plan. Sometimes you have to learn to read between the lines.

Its being proven though Fans are not buying it. When i can still buy opening day tickets on Cubs.com, thats not a good sign for marketing. Maybe if they tell the truth. Actually play the Jacksons, Rizzo's now people be more intrested in going. Im not going to pay to see this team right now. BUT once they start bringing up Rizz and Jackson then il want to go.
 

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Trust the Owner that spent more money on McDonalds then any MLB player in 3 years? Trust an Owner who had to defer 10 mil on a 1 yr deal? Trust an Owner who had to borrow 3 mil from Dempster to pay for Nady?

Yes.

because this same owner is willing to dump 1.4 billion into buying the team fixing the stadium, bring in a top flight executive and front office, go hard after IFA, and build things the right way because at the end of the day Rickett's was a bleacherbum and a Cubs fan.

Keeps saying he expects this team to compete.
It's like you just started watching sports or soemthing.

What would you prefer Rickett's to say? I expect us to suck?

On one hand you take Rickett's to task for not being brutally honest that this team isn't good..on the other hand the brutal honesty of him makign teh tough choices to rebuild the team the right way you also sdisagree with you.

At the end of the day what it boils down to is that you are just another dumbass Cubs fan with no clue how to build a winner or how one is built...because you've never seen one.


LOL at Rickett's not caring about winning but bringing in the top GM in the game and his crew who just got done winning 2 WS in 8 years for a franchise that hadn't won one in 86 years.

So Rickett's doesn't care about winning yet brought in Epstein for what reason exactly......................?
 

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Yes.

because this same owner is willing to dump 1.4 billion into buying the team fixing the stadium, bring in a top flight executive and front office, go hard after IFA, and build things the right way because at the end of the day Rickett's was a bleacherbum and a Cubs fan.


It's like you just started watching sports or soemthing.

What would you prefer Rickett's to say? I expect us to suck?

On one hand you take Rickett's to task for not being brutally honest that this team isn't good..on the other hand the brutal honesty of him makign teh tough choices to rebuild the team the right way you also sdisagree with you.

At the end of the day what it boils down to is that you are just another dumbass Cubs fan with no clue how to build a winner or how one is built...because you've never seen one.


LOL at Rickett's not caring about winning but bringing in the top GM in the game and his crew who just got done winning 2 WS in 8 years for a franchise that hadn't won one in 86 years.

So Rickett's doesn't care about winning yet brought in Epstein for what reason exactly......................?

To keep fans like you so hopefull. Spend 20 mil over 5 years on 1 guy and makes dumb Cub fans like you so hopefull that you just eat up every word they say
 

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To keep fans like you so hopefull.
So Ricketts..who all he cares about is making money(acording to you) is going to go out and spend 1.4 billion dollars PLUS bring in Theo Epstein....yet intentionally handcuff Theo and keep a shit product on the field..and risk not only losing Theo(which he woul dbecause Theo will GTFO if he can't do what he wants to)but also lose money(the only thing he cares about) on a 1.4 billion dollar investment to boot?

Have you ever stopped to actually think about how stupid you sound?
 
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