Cubs Farm System And Prospects Discussion Thread

[CSF77]

On Miller. Ya I see your point.

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Would make sense for the Cubs This gives them a closer and a starting catcher.

It would cost alot but for the A's they are most likely running for Vegas to be competitive and by the time that happens they will end up losing both soon. So getting a depth return where they can establish that return at Sacramento makes sense for them.

It would end up Ballestroes going regardless. I would guess that they would want Shaw also. Then add in Wicks or Brown.

I would start with Cam Smith. That gives them a top ended prospect that they can self develop. Then Alcatara as the Cubs OF is jacked and Ballestroes. Add in Triantos. After Cruz and Arais.

Following up trade out Hoerner and (if Cody stays) to replenish the farm (lower system depth).

It is a big hit but none are going to make the team unless a major injury happens that opens up a long term slot. They are all with out a clear path to the majors on the Cubs.

 

[JP Hochbaum]

When it comes to catcher, we might already have that answer with Amaya. Props to the Cubs coaching for finding his issue and apparently fixing it. Ballesteros could be the backup next year and we are set.

We truly need a super star. Weather that is in house or Soto, it needs to happen.

 

[CSF77]

When it comes to catcher, we might already have that answer with Amaya. Props to the Cubs coaching for finding his issue and apparently fixing it. Ballesteros could be the backup next year and we are set.

We truly need a super star. Weather that is in house or Soto, it needs to happen.

Bellinger looks like he will opt in. Happ and Suzuki have NTC going in and would have to have them drop it

So there is a log jam at DH and the OF going in.

Add to it Bellinger's 27M that no team would eat. Cubs would have to take contract back and that will no open up enough payroll to sign Soto.

So I would not expect Soto as a real answer.

Ballestroes has improved as a catcher and the bat is a plus. I can see him taking over as the main catcher if he continues to improve his D. Arm is good. Has to work on framing. But the bat is worth the growing pains and Amaya has taken a major step this year so the adjustment process is not too big of a determent.


TBH the main thing going in will be the pen. Hodge is a decent high leverage guy. Brown could go either starter or late inning. It should depend on his health and durability.

So going on they need a established closer. Miller still is the #1 target IMO. You really want a top tier closer to even consider having a team capable of taking a ring.

There is some work to do this offseason. Getting a closer and some quality depth going on in the middle innings should be the top priority. They could even trade Assad and Hoerner. Owens might be with out a position next year and it puts him on the block.

It should be interesting. Jed has trade depth going on and he really needs to focus on improving the pen #1 using the excess hitting and pitching depth.

Even if Brown becomes a starter and Wicks stays in the rotation. That puts Assad in the pen and his numbers do not agree with that move. So trading him makes more sense

 

[knoxville7]

belli went from a guy taht many here thought WE HAD TO HAVE, to now hes a contract that nobody would touch in a trade lol

 

[CSF77]

belli went from a guy taht many here thought WE HAD TO HAVE, to now hes a contract that nobody would touch in a trade lol

Pretty legit right.

2.2 fWAR for 27M. No team will touch that unless they are giving back 13M in contract.

I honestly see it easier to trade Owen Caissie in a package to get Miller from the A's than shed Bellinger. Even then Bellinger can rebound back to last year. It would not be a reach if having a healthy season.

 

[CSF77]

Ideally they trade Assad, Caissie and Hoerner. It doesn't have to be in the same deal. The Cubs need pitching.

Say they target Miller to close and trade Caissie, Assad and a A ball prospect.

This gives them a legit closer. Opens up a rotation spot.

Then they trade Hoerner and Alcantara to Seattle for George Kerby.

Basically you are getting a 3-4 WAR RH starter and opening up 2B for Shaw.

This should solve the log jam in the OF and upgrade Assad's spot in the rotation while stabilizing the 9th.

Rotation: Steele, Kerby, Shota, Taillon, Wicks (Horton)

SU Brown and Hodge
CL Miller

Then add a few stable vet arms. I would keep Lopez. He was solid prior to injury. Rest move on from.

Line up IMO

CF PCA
2B Shaw
RF Bellinger
DH Suzuki
LF Happ
3B Paredes
1B Busch
SS Swanson
C Amaya/Ballestroes

Has potential. This team can be explosive and adding Shaw could be a huge add kid can rake

 

[TL1961]

So apparently Ballesteros has gone from “don’t know if his future is at catcher“ to “if he can just improve his defense“ in a week.

I have no use for a catcher who can’t frame. I have no interest in being 29th or 30th best defensively.

And apparently, Owen Caissie is now going by “Owens”?

 

[CSF77]

So apparently Ballesteros has gone from “don’t know if his future is at catcher“ to “if he can just improve his defense“ in a week.

I have no use for a catcher who can’t frame. I have no interest in being 29th or 30th best defensively.

And apparently, Owen Caissie is now going by “Owens”?

Still playing the troll I see? This is a 90+ win team. Could be better as we don't know the impact Shaw will bring.

Caissie would be a loss but if he brings back Miller you do that deal.

 

[TL1961]

Still playing the troll I see? This is a 90+ win team. Could be better as we don't know the impact Shaw will bring.

Caissie would be a loss but if he brings back Miller you do that deal.

No, I was just questioning your complete 180 on the catching prospect and the timing since Amaya has been playing 100% better than he did in the first half of the season. So now you’ve got a guy who scouts don’t look at as a major league catcher taking over for a guy who has turned his season around. Make it make sense.

 

[Diehardfan]

No, I was just questioning your complete 180 on the catching prospect and the timing since Amaya has been playing 100% better than he did in the first half of the season. So now you’ve got a guy who scouts don’t look at as a major league catcher taking over for a guy who has turned his season around. Make it make sense.

Better to be a troll than an idiot...

 

[CSF77]

Better to be a troll than an idiot...

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“What he’s done at the plate this year is obviously exciting,” Kanzler said. “But what doesn't get talked about a lot is he's actually improved quite a bit on defense. He's still got some work to do, but we can't discount the work he's done on the other side of the ball and the improvements he's made.

“He's able to catch the ball, block the ball, he can throw guys out. His framing is getting better. So I think he's really working hard to make himself more of a complete catching option in the big leagues for the future, and that's exciting.”



I would not have even posted it unless I had some info going into it.

Stop being a ass clown.

 

[CSF77]

No, I was just questioning your complete 180 on the catching prospect and the timing since Amaya has been playing 100% better than he did in the first half of the season. So now you’ve got a guy who scouts don’t look at as a major league catcher taking over for a guy who has turned his season around. Make it make sense.

As I posted above. After reading the article.( On the Cubs site and I can tell that is a foreign language most trolls here)

The concept of a player getting better at his craft must be amazing to people who don't understand the concept of growth

 

[CSF77]

Even then I never said starting. I said back up. If Ballestroes is a league avg D catcher he will start.

But the bat justifies the job as he can still pick up PA's that could be vital to wins. Vs wasting PA's on Wisdom and the rest of the scrubs

 

[knoxville7]

As I posted above. After reading the article.( On the Cubs site and I can tell that is a foreign language most trolls here)

The concept of a player getting better at his craft must be amazing to people who don't understand the concept of growth

Coming from the guy that was already labeling PCA a bust is hilarious

Also, what do you expect them to say on a Cubs team site?! That the guy is a bum and will never make it as a catcher?! It’s a fluff piece

 

[Discus fish salesman]

Ballesteros seems like a perfect DH. Find a way to get rid of happ to keep Suzuki and Ballesteros in the lineup together

 

[Diehardfan]

Ballesteros seems like a perfect DH. Find a way to get rid of happ to keep Suzuki and Ballesteros in the lineup together

That would make too much sense. This is Hoyer. The same guy who let one of the best DH's in MLB walk over chump change.

 

[Diehardfan]

Coming from the guy that was already labeling PCA a bust is hilarious

Also, what do you expect them to say on a Cubs team site?! That the guy is a bum and will never make it as a catcher?! It’s a fluff piece

I'm still liking the trade of Hoerner....27 yr old guy in his prime who can hit, run and play great D. Let's move him so they can plug in a kid who hasn't played an inning of ML baseball. If he's that great why don't they plug him in at third? Oh, wait...they can't because they just traded for another one of his "guys". A .230 hitter with a mediocre glove....just gotta have those kind of players in your lineup.

Apparently his "ignore" claims were as much bullshit as his posts.

 

[TL1961]

As I posted above. After reading the article.( On the Cubs site and I can tell that is a foreign language most trolls here)

The concept of a player getting better at his craft must be amazing to people who don't understand the concept of growth

It’s interesting that you say it would be amazing for me to grasp a player getting better at his craft when I specifically referred to that very thing re Amaya in the post to which you are responding.

You’re trading a guy one day and hyping him the next, depending on what opinion you happen to read that morning.

Some of us are able to be patient with young players and are able to form our own opinions on players who have been around a while.

You have Mervis a hall of famer on Monday and dfa’d by. Thursday.

You would have given up on PCA already after fewer than 300 major league plate appearances.

Amaya’s second half has been light years from his first and he’s a goner in your mind.

It never ends. You’re a wind sock!

 

[Probie2429]

Teams that miss playoffs shouldn’t be trading prospects. I would expect better from Counsell in year 2 once with the get to know you phase over.

 

[knoxville7]

Teams that miss playoffs shouldn’t be trading prospects. I would expect better from Counsell in year 2 once with the get to know you phase over.

what do they need to get to know? Its not like counsell is dating the players...

the excuses some here give Counsell is wild...meanwhile, ross had the team performing just as well and with less talent. giving counsell 40 million to hang out in the dugout was a mistake. meanwhile, the cubs continue to be cheap with payroll outside of the manager

you pay the players, not the manager