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I trust a lot more scouts that say his D will not be above average and I have heard no one talk about him being a major league cf. I believe he gets traded again.
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Kyle Schwarber already has 2 Home Runs today. Game 1 of a double header is in the bottom 5th. Kid has to be called up to AAA soon I would imagine.
 

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Kyle Schwarber already has 2 Home Runs today. Game 1 of a double header is in the bottom 5th. Kid has to be called up to AAA soon I would imagine.

He's at 126ish PAs. Bryant ended up with 297 if memory serves. I've been assuming a similar path for him. However, if Schwarber continues at a similar rate Bryant did it wouldn't shock me to see him up when they expand rosters to 40 if the cubs are in it.
 

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.333/.448/.657 on the season for Schwarber.... Invoking Bryant's name with a prospect is dangerous but he damn sure is starting to look close. Bryant hit .355/.458/.702 in AA. Obviously Bryant has a bit more power(than anyone in minors) but given Schwarbers hitting makeup I think he's more likely to hit for this sort of high average as he moves up the chain. AA was supposed to challenge Schwarber some but it's arguably the level he's had the most success at outside of 5 games at A-.

If all goes according to plan it's kind of nuts to think that the cubs could draft two bats like Bryant and Schwarber may end up being in consecutive years not even having the first pick.
 

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.333/.448/.657 on the season for Schwarber.... Invoking Bryant's name with a prospect is dangerous but he damn sure is starting to look close. Bryant hit .355/.458/.702 in AA. Obviously Bryant has a bit more power(than anyone in minors) but given Schwarbers hitting makeup I think he's more likely to hit for this sort of high average as he moves up the chain. AA was supposed to challenge Schwarber some but it's arguably the level he's had the most success at outside of 5 games at A-.

If all goes according to plan it's kind of nuts to think that the cubs could draft two bats like Bryant and Schwarber may end up being in consecutive years not even having the first pick.

My feel from last year is they would keep Schwarber on the same time line Bryant was on. Now with out Boras to deal with we might see him in Sept.
 

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I think Bryant's early MLB success will make it easier for the Cubs front office to get him up here on a faster track. Some in the Cubs front office have even mentioned that Schwarber is a better hitter with less power than Bryant.
 

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I think Bryant's early MLB success will make it easier for the Cubs front office to get him up here on a faster track. Some in the Cubs front office have even mentioned that Schwarber is a better hitter with less power than Bryant.

They certainly think he has the chance to maintain a higher OBP in MLB than Bryant and likely hit for a higher average. Having another disciplined lefty bat with power like that in addition to Rizzo would be huge. If I were to guess I would think he'd be promoted to AAA sometime in June and if he keeps hitting like that start seeing some LF time in July. If they need the bad they'd have the flexibility t bring him up but I still think they would like to not do that until September. As we saw with Addison Russell though these guys will adapt to changing circumstance.
 

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If Baez can keep improving, then it presents a real log jam if that scenario with Schwarber happens. Right now, one would think Baez could stick in LF and provide the bat they are looking for. If Schwarber is ready sooner rather than later, then what do you do with MIF? Is Russell adjusting enough to trade Castro?
 

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If Baez can keep improving, then it presents a real log jam if that scenario with Schwarber happens. Right now, one would think Baez could stick in LF and provide the bat they are looking for. If Schwarber is ready sooner rather than later, then what do you do with MIF? Is Russell adjusting enough to trade Castro?

Good problem to have.
So far it looks like the Cubs are "hitting" extremely high on successful prospects. Not a bad thing at all.
 

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Dont forget about Volgelbach who is protecting Schwarber. His numbers are right there or a little better in all categories. Volgelbach is a power hitter and he has walked more then he has SO. That is pretty impressive.
 

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Dont forget about Volgelbach who is protecting Schwarber. His numbers are right there or a little better in all categories. Volgelbach is a power hitter and he has walked more then he has SO. That is pretty impressive.
So ultimately, what do you think happens with Vog?
 

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So ultimately, what do you think happens with Vog?

Depends, you are either keeping Schwarber or Volgelbach. Basically, same player with Schwarber being more athletic. I am one that does not believe Schwarber can play catcher so he is destined for left or first. I think the same for Volgelbach. I think he could get away with left, but he wouldnt be making any highlight reel catches. People are like trade this guy or trade that guy. It comes down on who the Cubs want and what the other organizations scouts think. Every org differs on prospects or players in general. There are a ton of different philosophies and needs. The Cubs have many interchangeable parts which is why predicting who is getting traded is truly a crap shoot.
 

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Depends, you are either keeping Schwarber or Volgelbach. Basically, same player with Schwarber being more athletic. I am one that does not believe Schwarber can play catcher so he is destined for left or first. I think the same for Volgelbach. I think he could get away with left, but he wouldnt be making any highlight reel catches. People are like trade this guy or trade that guy. It comes down on who the Cubs want and what the other organizations scouts think. Every org differs on prospects or players in general. There are a ton of different philosophies and needs. The Cubs have many interchangeable parts which is why predicting who is getting traded is truly a crap shoot.
Yeah. It's really crazy how many prospects are no longer prospects and are looking like they will be successful MLBers. Castro got turned around, they've made some trades that have helped stock the farm quickly. The burpers would have you think that Epstein was a liar and Ricketts just wanted the dough. I am impressed that when it appeared they would be competitive a year earlier than originally believed, they ponied up for a TOR. Now they could actually be in playoff contention instead of just being "competitive". Whoever and how many they trade away is worth watching, because it's going to happen. Perhaps we need a sticky thread about potential crazy trade ideas. :D
 

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Depends, you are either keeping Schwarber or Volgelbach. Basically, same player with Schwarber being more athletic. I am one that does not believe Schwarber can play catcher so he is destined for left or first. I think the same for Volgelbach. I think he could get away with left, but he wouldnt be making any highlight reel catches. People are like trade this guy or trade that guy. It comes down on who the Cubs want and what the other organizations scouts think. Every org differs on prospects or players in general. There are a ton of different philosophies and needs. The Cubs have many interchangeable parts which is why predicting who is getting traded is truly a crap shoot.

From what I've read Vogelbach can't play LF he's 1B/DH only.
 

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Schwarber has more value, imho, as he can also be the emergency catcher (once they get rid of the current 3-headed monster). So, LF, 1B when Rizzo needs a day off, and C.
 

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From what I've read Vogelbach can't play LF he's 1B/DH only.

Eh, Im one to believe if your CF is excellent at D then your LF can be almost anyone. He has gained a lot more athleticism. He is under 250 when he was originally over 300 pounds. I also believe if the bat plays then you can hide defense. Schwarber is faster and more athletic. Like I said, it comes down to who you want and what the team wants back. No one is untouchable in our minors right now.
 

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Depends, you are either keeping Schwarber or Volgelbach. Basically, same player with Schwarber being more athletic. I am one that does not believe Schwarber can play catcher so he is destined for left or first. I think the same for Volgelbach. I think he could get away with left, but he wouldnt be making any highlight reel catches. People are like trade this guy or trade that guy. It comes down on who the Cubs want and what the other organizations scouts think. Every org differs on prospects or players in general. There are a ton of different philosophies and needs. The Cubs have many interchangeable parts which is why predicting who is getting traded is truly a crap shoot.

Personally I'm with you on Schwarber but I'm getting more and more and more convinced that the Cubs will continue him playing at some catcher into his MLB career. I saw him play C with the Smokies a couple of weeks ago and he looked awkward especially with his hands and we know he can't throw out runners. Still you keep hearing how much improvement he's making there and how soft his hands are. Jason McLeod gave an interview 10 days ago or so emphasizing how pleased they are. I don't think there's any question how much they love his bat. So either they're emphasizing his progress because they believe it or they're trying to increase his value in a trade. Because of all the back channel comments about how they think he's the best hitter in the organization I would doubt the latter, but on the other hand no one else n baseball thinks this kid is a catcher. I guess we'll see soon enough.
 

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Personally I'm with you on Schwarber but I'm getting more and more and more convinced that the Cubs will continue him playing at some catcher into his MLB career. I saw him play C with the Smokies a couple of weeks ago and he looked awkward especially with his hands and we know he can't throw out runners. Still you keep hearing how much improvement he's making there and how soft his hands are. Jason McLeod gave an interview 10 days ago or so emphasizing how pleased they are. I don't think there's any question how much they love his bat. So either they're emphasizing his progress because they believe it or they're trying to increase his value in a trade. Because of all the back channel comments about how they think he's the best hitter in the organization I would doubt the latter, but on the other hand no one else n baseball thinks this kid is a catcher. I guess we'll see soon enough.

Well it would end up weird if Vogelbach ended up in LF and Schwarber at C.

I almost have no idea where to bat them if that happened.

Something like:

Russell SS
Rizzo 1B
Bryant 3B
Schwarber C
Baez 2B
Vogelbach LF
Soler RF
Pitcher
Almora CF

About as close I could get. Team would be disgusting.
 

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Personally I'm with you on Schwarber but I'm getting more and more and more convinced that the Cubs will continue him playing at some catcher into his MLB career. I saw him play C with the Smokies a couple of weeks ago and he looked awkward especially with his hands and we know he can't throw out runners. Still you keep hearing how much improvement he's making there and how soft his hands are. Jason McLeod gave an interview 10 days ago or so emphasizing how pleased they are. I don't think there's any question how much they love his bat. So either they're emphasizing his progress because they believe it or they're trying to increase his value in a trade. Because of all the back channel comments about how they think he's the best hitter in the organization I would doubt the latter, but on the other hand no one else n baseball thinks this kid is a catcher. I guess we'll see soon enough.

I tend to believe he'll be a LF/C myself. I think it is pretty obvious he's never going to be Yady back there. However, having him play say 30-40% of the C games and the rest in LF let's you keep some of the wear off his knees and also provides value. It also gives you options vs AL teams when you need a DH because you will have a "4th" OF who plays when he is catching that allows you to DH Schwarber.
 

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Nice piece, although is it just me or does anyone else get aggravated by the media pointing out how players interact with the media? Simply put, I don't care and I don't think
It has anything to do with their play. If Baez wants to evade reporters in AAA be my guest. Sorry pet peeve. Concentrate on the play in the field media members the rest only matters to y'all, especially in the minor leagues.

I'm behind your point expressing your pet peeve. I have a big problem with reporters editorializing/soapboxing/condemning/agenda pushing. What's really bad is that these people often have journalism degrees and should know better. And this happens all the time. I'm sick of reporters making it about them by infusing their beliefs into the discussion.
 

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