Cubs offseason rumors/transactions

[TC in Mississippi]

Thing is, they wait to see what Cards and Brewers do.. They could end up with none of the 3

Say Yankees want Darvish, Brewers sign Cobb , Cards sign Jake

What left?

If theyre waiting to see who bends first, they might come out of it empty handed..

Then what ?

Oh well... guess we just wait and see how it all unfolds, i just hope the cubs don't end up on short end of this

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You're listing a lot of false assumptions there. The Yankees cannot afford to sign Darvish, or any other FA starter, the Cardinals have a solid rotation and probably still need another bat not to mention a closer so they're almost certainly out and while Milwaukee probably will sign a starter they'll wait the market out as their aren't enough suitors for the four impact (or semi-impact) starters on the market. Minnesota is probably going to sign a guy, if it isn't Darvish it will likely be Cobb or Lynn. Texas could still move on Darvish but you'd have to call that unlikely given payroll constraints. Houston would love Darvish but probably wouldn't be able to make it work financially given the Verlander contract. The Angels are probably in on Arrieta but you'd have to figure the price would have to get down to $100 mil or so before that makes any sense to them. Washington has been said to be in on Arrieta but that sounds like Boras pushing a market with a team he has a strong relationship to more than real interest. The Cubs are smart to wait this market out. Of the teams looking at at starters they're the most attractive destination because of the market and the fact that they're in the middle of a contention window and discount the fact thatno one, including Jake, is going to sign elsewhere without checking in. My guess is, unless Darvish falls in love with Minnesota, that he signs in Chicago and it happens by mid month at the latest. I think that will push the Twins into signing their second choice, likely Lance Lynn, and leave Cobb and Arrieta scrambling. I've said from the beginning that I think Arrieta signs with Philadelphia and nothing has cropped up to change my mind on that, and if that leaves Cobb Atlanta would make some sense along with Milwaukee but certainly not at the money he's been seeking. Also don't forget that their are starters on the trade market as well and I would not be shocked if two of Archer, Odorizzi and Fulmer are moved.

 

[chibears55]

You're listing a lot of false assumptions there. The Yankees cannot afford to sign Darvish, or any other FA starter, the Cardinals have a solid rotation and probably still need another bat not to mention a closer so they're almost certainly out and while Milwaukee probably will sign a starter they'll wait the market out as their aren't enough suitors for the four impact (or semi-impact) starters on the market. Minnesota is probably going to sign a guy, if it isn't Darvish it will likely be Cobb or Lynn. Texas could still move on Darvish but you'd have to call that unlikely given payroll constraints. Houston would love Darvish but probably wouldn't be able to make it work financially given the Verlander contract. The Angels are probably in on Arrieta but you'd have to figure the price would have to get down to $100 mil or so before that makes any sense to them. Washington has been said to be in on Arrieta but that sounds like Boras pushing a market with a team he has a strong relationship to more than real interest. The Cubs are smart to wait this market out. Of the teams looking at at starters they're the most attractive destination because of the market and the fact that they're in the middle of a contention window and discount the fact thatno one, including Jake, is going to sign elsewhere without checking in. My guess is, unless Darvish falls in love with Minnesota, that he signs in Chicago and it happens by mid month at the latest. I think that will push the Twins into signing their second choice, likely Lance Lynn, and leave Cobb and Arrieta scrambling. I've said from the beginning that I think Arrieta signs with Philadelphia and nothing has cropped up to change my mind on that, and if that leaves Cobb Atlanta would make some sense along with Milwaukee but certainly not at the money he's been seeking. Also don't forget that their are starters on the trade market as well and I would not be shocked if two of Archer, Odorizzi and Fulmer are moved.

I was giving examples and just named 3 teams...
I wasnt being literal

Point was any teams could outbid them if their all waiting for price to fall

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[CSF77]

Mostly Mil/Minn/Hou/CHC are the teams needing to invest

 

[Omeletpants]

It's not worth having a heart attack. The Cubs are negotiating and I have faith they will do the best they can within their limits

 

[brett05]

Fulmer? Michael Fulmer? He's not getting traded.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

I was giving examples and just named 3 teams...
I wasnt being literal

Point was any teams could outbid them if their all waiting for price to fall

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My guess is that, given the other teams involved, the Cubs will be given an opportunity to up their bid on whoever the player may be. The teams have the upper hand given that it's the first week in January with most camps opening in 6 weeks.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

Fulmer? Michael Fulmer? He's not getting traded.

I've been hearing otherwise and he's the Yankees back up plan to Cole. Detroit is going total rebuild and Al Avila said no one is off the table. He's their most valuable tradeable asset, makes no sense to keep him. Of course they don't have to trade him now and will wait for the best offer but they're unlikely to compete at all during his arb years.

 

[brett05]

I've been hearing otherwise and he's the Yankees back up plan to Cole. Detroit is going total rebuild and Al Avila said no one is off the table. He's their most valuable tradeable asset, makes no sense to keep him. Of course they don't have to trade him now and will wait for the best offer but they're unlikely to compete at all during his arb years.

It depends on how long the rebuild lasts. He's under control thru 2022. That's five years of control and he could easily get a Sale/Q like deal to be locked up long term. It's not that he's off the list, but it would take a team like the Yankees that have a stocked minor league system to be able to land such a talent now. He's not headed to a team that does not have assets to part with.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

It depends on how long the rebuild lasts. He's under control thru 2022. That's five years of control and he could easily get a Sale/Q like deal to be locked up long term. It's not that he's off the list, but it would take a team like the Yankees that have a stocked minor league system to be able to land such a talent now. He's not headed to a team that does not have assets to part with.

No, of course not he's going to cost a bundle. Detroit supposedly turned down an offer that was said to be headed by Clint Frazier and Domingo Acevedo which is the same package that's been offered for Gerrit Cole. Allegedly of course.

As far as Detroit's rebuild, without trading Fulmer at some point you'd have to figure on 6-7 years especially given the Cabrera contract. I see them as pretty analogous to the Phillies situation and they're just now starting to emerge from it. It's what happens when you wait too long.

 

[chibears55]

Mostly Mil/Minn/Hou/CHC are the teams needing to invest

Heard Rangers were looking into bringing Darvish back

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[chibears55]

https://twitter.com/BleacherNation/status/948227263904075781

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[brett05]

No, of course not he's going to cost a bundle. Detroit supposedly turned down an offer that was said to be headed by Clint Frazier and Domingo Acevedo which is the same package that's been offered for Gerrit Cole. Allegedly of course.

As far as Detroit's rebuild, without trading Fulmer at some point you'd have to figure on 6-7 years especially given the Cabrera contract. I see them as pretty analogous to the Phillies situation and they're just now starting to emerge from it. It's what happens when you wait too long.

It all depends. If you can draft and sign smart flips, you can do it in three years. But it goes much, much faster if you have assets to flip like the White Sox did.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

It all depends. If you can draft and sign smart flips, you can do it in three years. But it goes much, much faster if you have assets to flip like the White Sox did.

The White Sox had the advantage of not having any onerous contracts though. Miguel Cabrera has $252 mil left on his deal which runs through 2023 with an $8 mil buyout of his option years. Even if they move Fulmer and do some smart sign and flips I think it takes them 5 years, particularly since they had operated so far over budget for so long. They waited two years to long as did the Phillies. The Giants seem to repeating those mistakes.

 

[chibears55]

This is interesting and hopeful if true

https://twitter.com/Cubs1611/status/948284664267108352

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[brett05]

This is interesting and hopeful if true

https://twitter.com/Cubs1611/status/948284664267108352

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for which the team has nothing to offer to pull off any of that.

 

[chibears55]

They have plenty on major league roster...
Cain a FA

But like i said if any of that were true, which i doubt...

Im hearing cubs may be offering Arrieta 4 yrs 110mil

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[beckdawg]

Not trying to be combative here but when you read the cubs have offered so and so x amount you should probably ignore it. When's the last time the media scooped the cubs on a FA signing? Don't remember much if any mentions on Smyly, Chatwood, Morrow and Cishek. Jay last year was a relatively quiet signing. Back prior to 2016, there was obvious interest in Heyward i suppose but few thought the cubs were signing Zobrist and those who did think the cubs were big on Heyward thought he'd be well over $200 mil. No one knew about Fowler backing out on the O's.

Long story short here, the cubs don't operate in the media like some teams do. Typically unless it's something obvious(Heyward/Lester) you only find out about the move when it's done.

 

[TL1961]

They have plenty on major league roster...
Cain a FA

But like i said if any of that were true, which i doubt...

Im hearing cubs may be offering Arrieta 4 yrs 110mil

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You're hearing that, are you?

From your sources inside the organization, or did you read it somewhere?

 

[chibears55]

Not trying to be combative here but when you read the cubs have offered so and so x amount you should probably ignore it. When's the last time the media scooped the cubs on a FA signing? Don't remember much if any mentions on Smyly, Chatwood, Morrow and Cishek. Jay last year was a relatively quiet signing. Back prior to 2016, there was obvious interest in Heyward i suppose but few thought the cubs were signing Zobrist and those who did think the cubs were big on Heyward thought he'd be well over $200 mil. No one knew about Fowler backing out on the O's.

Long story short here, the cubs don't operate in the media like some teams do. Typically unless it's something obvious(Heyward/Lester) you only find out about the move when it's done.

I agree...
I hate rumors if you couldnt tell



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[chibears55]

You're hearing that, are you?

From your sources inside the organization, or did you read it somewhere?

My inside sources...
Feel free to look it up

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