Cubs offseason rumors/transactions

[chibears55]

Mark prior was just hired to be Dodgers bullpen coach...

He'll have the towels ready for the drills when they warm up

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[beckdawg]

So I saw this tweet and found it interesting

Mike Petriello
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I can't imagine anyone's paying Addison Reed what W.Davis got, and so maybe someone gets a bargain, comparatively. 2016-17 numbers..

Reed (29 in 2018):
.283 xwOBA
153.2 IP
2.40 ERA
2.81 FIP
6.0 K/BB

Davis (32 in 2018):
.277 xwOBA
102 IP
.212 ERA
.292 FIP
2.9 K/BB

Reed wouldn't have been my first choice but with locations seemingly running low if you get him on a value deal I really like the idea.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

So I saw this tweet and found it interesting


Reed wouldn't have been my first choice but with locations seemingly running low if you get him on a value deal I really like the idea.

I'd be very happy getting Reed, but Morrow still gets the first shot at closer IMO.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

The Cubs offer of 4/$110 mil for Arrieta is allegedly the same offer they put on the table at the winter meetings. It's likely just being reported now because there's not a lot to talk about.

 

[CSF77]

The Cubs offer of 4/$110 mil for Arrieta is allegedly the same offer they put on the table at the winter meetings. It's likely just being reported now because there's not a lot to talk about.

27.5 AAV is more than he is worth. He just wants to be paid through his whole decline also.

 

[TC in Mississippi]

27.5 AAV is more than he is worth. He just wants to be paid through his whole decline also.

I think this is the trend, teams don't mind overpaying in AAV but are balking at the years. What's interesting is that prior to a couple of years ago the opposite was true. Teams offered extra years to balance out the money assuming that those last few years would be dead weight but also not in the middle of a prime contention window. I think more teams are coming around to the idea of sustaining winning as opposed to competing for a few years and then tanking. The small market teams probably still have to do that though so it will be interesting if those teams become more likely to give longer deals than the big market/middle market teams.

 

[CSF77]

I think this is the trend, teams don't mind overpaying in AAV but are balking at the years. What's interesting is that prior to a couple of years ago the opposite was true. Teams offered extra years to balance out the money assuming that those last few years would be dead weight but also not in the middle of a prime contention window. I think more teams are coming around to the idea of sustaining winning as opposed to competing for a few years and then tanking. The small market teams probably still have to do that though so it will be interesting if those teams become more likely to give longer deals than the big market/middle market teams.

Roids kept player at peak til 40. Now we see drop offs at 36. Some even sooner.

Jake has already lost velocity and had to change his delivery to crossfire to add deception and add to his curve usage.

There is only one way to go with him and that is down now. 4 years is his window after that you are paying for TOR for BOR production.

Good luck to him though. Some sucker will over pay

 

[CSF77]

Cubs Rumblings: Arrieta, Darvish, Cobb, Cole, Yelich
January 2nd, 2018 at 9:07pm CST • By Connor Byrne
The latest on the North Siders comes from Bruce Levine of CBS Chicago…

To this point, the Cubs and Cardinals have shown the most interest in free agent right-hander Jake Arrieta, according to Levine. The Cubs reportedly may be willing to offer a four-year, $110MM contract to the soon-to-be 32-year-old Arrieta, who mostly thrived with the team from 2013-17.
Elsewhere on the pitching market, the Cubs remain in contact with Yu Darvish and Alex Cobb, per Levine, though he casts doubt on them being the favorites to sign the latter. They’re wary of Cobb’s asking price, which appears to be in the $17MM to $19MM range per annum, Levine relays.
Along with the previously reported Chris Archer, the Cubs are interested in swinging a trade for Pirates righty Gerrit Cole, Levine writes. This is the first reported connection of the offseason between the Cubs and Cole, who has mostly been linked to the Yankees. Talks between the Yankees and Pirates simmered last month, though, which could pave the way for another team to swoop in and land the 27-year-old. Given that Chicago and Pittsburgh are in the same division, the Cubs are obviously quite familiar with Cole. The Scott Boras client is under control for the next two seasons, and he’ll earn a projected $7.5MM in 2018.
Looking beyond starting pitching possibilities, Levine doesn’t rule out more additions to the Cubs’ bullpen or position player group. With Wade Davis having signed with the Rockies, the Cubs could be in the market for a closer if they don’t want to turn the ninth-inning reins to either of the just-signed Brandon Morrow–Steve Cishek tandem or another in-house option. But whether the team bids on a top free agent like Greg Holland or Addison Reed could depend on how much spending room it has left after it picks up another starter, per Levine. Further, it’s possible the Cubs could try to trade for Marlins outfielder Christian Yelich, who would likely cost them fellow center fielder Albert Almora Jr. in a deal, Levine contends. He also lists free agent center fielder Lorenzo Cain as a name to watch for the Cubs.

 

[chibears55]

Screw it...

Just sign Darvish and Holland
Trade for Yelich and Machado

World Champs 2018


What the hold up [emoji41]

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[chibears55]

Just throwing this out here for conversation...

If Heyward chooses not to OPT out after 2018, i think he very tradeable given what he owed the final 5 yrs.
( 20,21,21,22,22) cubs can easily eat 1/3 of that if needed to move him and open up RF for Harper.

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[TC in Mississippi]

Just throwing this out here for conversation...

If Heyward chooses not to OPT out after 2018, i think he very tradeable given what he owed the final 5 yrs.
( 20,21,21,22,22) cubs can easily eat 1/3 of that if needed to move him and open up RF for Harper.

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It's still going to be a tough row to hoe. Sure, if you eat $50 mil, or 10 mil a year you get to his true value which is probably $12-$15 mil AAV but the years will still give another team pause. My guess is you'd have to wait until there are 3 years or less left on the deal before it's really movable.

 

[chibears55]

It's still going to be a tough row to hoe. Sure, if you eat $50 mil, or 10 mil a year you get to his true value which is probably $12-$15 mil AAV but the years will still give another team pause. My guess is you'd have to wait until there are 3 years or less left on the deal before it's really movable.

He'll just be 29 with 5 yrs on deal for a team to pay about 12-15 mil per for..
If he were to be a FA after next year, an interested team probably pays more in money for most likely 5 or 6 yrs.

I think the cubs will find a few teams interested in dealing for him with that salary for 5 yrs at his age...


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[chibears55]

Cubs supposedly front runner for Darvish, minny trying to set up a meet with him...

Cubs also supposedly interested in Cole from pirates and Cain from Royals


Be cool if they can swing a deal for Cole and McCutchen

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[chibears55]

Be nice if cubs can add a couple big names before convention next weekend....

Morrow and Chatwood aren't exactly type of players fans will get all excited about when introduced

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[Omeletpants]

Cubs supposedly front runner for Darvish, minny trying to set up a meet with him...

Cubs also supposedly interested in Cole from pirates and Cain from Royals


Be cool if they can swing a deal for Cole and McCutchen

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McCutchen is no longer a quality CF. With all of our OF options why would we want him and his larger salary?

 

[chibears55]

McCutchen is no longer a quality CF. With all of our OF options why would we want him and his larger salary?

Says who... he played 140 games in CF last year and did fine..
Im sure he could handle CF at WF

He owed 14 mil next year, not exactly a large salary..

I dont think such deal would get done, just said it would be cool

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[Omeletpants]

Says who... he played 140 games in CF last year and did fine..
Im sure he could handle CF at WF

He owed 14 mil next year, not exactly a large salary..

I dont think such deal would get done, just said it would be cool

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The Pirates switched him to RF as they didnt believe he could play competent CF anymore. Only when Marte was suspended were they forced to shift him back to CF. He will be back in RF this year. Also, the Pirates have been trying to dump him as they belive he is on the downside. It would leave us with 2 limited defender in the outfield. Also, he is not a leadoff hitter. This would only Special person the development of Happ and Almoroa and solves none of our problems. Why would we want any part of that?

 

[beckdawg]

Just throwing this out here for conversation...

If Heyward chooses not to OPT out after 2018, i think he very tradeable given what he owed the final 5 yrs.
( 20,21,21,22,22) cubs can easily eat 1/3 of that if needed to move him and open up RF for Harper.

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Don't think that's how gm's will think. Look at it like this, if you are eating roughly $7 mil per year for the final 5 years that means teams think he's roughly a two 2 win player. In order to be a worth while move they either need to get good return(not sure that is happening without a monster year or two) or whoever they replace him with has to be roughly paid with a surplus value of ~$7 mil per year.

Way I see it, Heyward is a sunk cost. Throwing more money at the problem to make it go away isn't really the solution. If the cubs want to go after Harper next year I'd imagine the "play" would be to just trade Almora and play Heyward in CF. He likely loses some defensive value there but his bat plays up there vs RF(he hit .259/.326/.389 last year while league average for CF was .260/.332/.436). You may not want him for more than say 3 years in CF(he'd be 32 years old for the 2022 season) but at that point he'd only have 2 years $44 mil left and he's much easier to move if you can get around his NTC. 4 years also would put DJ Wilson and Kevnote mitchell near the majors if not there.

Plus, if Almora has a good year hitting he might be a pretty valuable trade piece going into next offseason. He showed really nice signs vs RHP in the 2nd half. If his bat comes around you might be able to build a package around him for a younger starter. Supposedly he was part of the talks when the cubs were talking to Detroit last july for Fulmer.

 

[chibears55]

The Pirates switched him to RF as they didnt believe he could play competent CF anymore. Only when Marte was suspended were they forced to shift him back to CF. He will be back in RF this year. Also, the Pirates have been trying to dump him as they belive he is on the downside. It would leave us with 2 limited defender in the outfield. Also, he is not a leadoff hitter. This would only Special person the development of Happ and Almoroa and solves none of our problems. Why would we want any part of that?

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Rumor Central: Andrew McCutchen to stay in CF if Pirates bring him back

The Pirates still view Andrew McCutchen as a center fielder, even with his recent defensive struggles. Mark Cunningham/MLB Photos/Getty ImagesFacebookTwitterFacebook MessengerEmailcomment

Oct 2, 2017

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If Andrew McCutchen is with the Pittsburgh Pirates on Opening Day 2018, it will be as a center fielder.

General manager Neal Huntington would not say if the Pirates will pick up McCutchen's $14.5 million option, but told reporters, including Adam Berry of MLB.com, that there are no plans to relocate the five-time All-Star away from center field.

"We believe our best club in 2018 has Andrew in center field," Huntington said Sunday. "He's worked hard to be the best defensive center fielder he can be."



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[anotheridiot]

Sure sounds like this Jake to the Cardinals is a last ditch effort by Boreass to try to get him more money from the cubs. Otherwise, same dollars would just be spite to go to St Louis.

Playoff performance just tips the bar to Jake vs Yu.