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Jake 2016 Avg FB: 93.7 2017 91.1 change: -2.6 it is a significant issue.
https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/what-on-earth-happened-with-jake-arrieta/
Jake 2016 Avg FB: 93.7 2017 91.1 change: -2.6 it is a significant issue.
https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/what-on-earth-happened-with-jake-arrieta/
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The Pirates have contradicted their own statements and actions. We will see where he plays at start of season and in the future.
While his defense improved in 2017, In 2016 McCutchen graded out as one of baseball's worst defensive players. He posted a minus-28 Defensive Runs Saved total and a minus-18.7 Ultimate Zone Rating. He was worth 11 outs below average, according to Statcast™, ranking 203rd out of 208 qualified outfielders.
He is hardly the kind of defender we need
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Ok..
Not sure why this became a discussion because it not gonna come close to happening...
I just said it would be cool [emoji52]
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Why would it be cool to bring in one of the worst defenders in MLB to team up with Schwarber, the butcher, in LF?
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LOLOLO. Now you sound like my wife
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A little nugget on Cobb
http://www.bleachernation.com/2018/...-to-alex-cobb-was-three-years-and-42-million/
( i do recall saying a while ago, cubs either havent made him an offer or made a low one)
If this is case and probably same with Arrieta and Darvish...
This seems to be the off season noone really excited about the FA pitchers and willing to pay them much
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http://www.bleachernation.com/2018/...-to-alex-cobb-was-three-years-and-42-million/
( i do recall saying a while ago, cubs either havent made him an offer or made a low one)
If this is case and probably same with Arrieta and Darvish...
This seems to be the off season noone really excited about the FA pitchers and willing to pay them much
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Teams are wanting to pay for future years not for what they did in the past. The system needs to get changed as players are vastly under paid for their peaks then get paid during their decline.
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That should be changing sooner rather then later now...
Teams hold onto the first 6-7 yrs of control ...
The ones that becomes star players during that stretch will be FAs between the ages of 28-30 , that when theyll get paid, of course we may see a bunch decide to take extensions...
I think next year with Strasburgh, etc. is the first group that falls in that catagory..
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By the way....
any athlete that being paid a million dollars to play a game is far from being underpaid in the real world..
But
I get your point in the sports world
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The thing is you can't reliably count on who will have a prime and how long that prime will be so payment is really based in large part on what you have done. I don't see any real way of correcting that
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My take on the whole cobb 3/$42 mil offer thing was essentially they wanted someone for what they eventually signed Chatwood for. I don't think it was a case of wanting them both at that price. I suspect they were always in on Arrieta/Darvish as the other starter or possibly a trade.
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Only real way to correct it is either teams stop making crazy over the top offers to players in their 30s or front load most of those deals, in which most of money is at least being paid out while player still has a pulse...
Example..
Yu Darvish will be 31 in 2018
7 yrs 210 mil
1. 35
2. 35
3. 32
4. 30
5. 28
6. 25
7. 25
Something like that
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This I can see happening
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Pretty much how im looking at it...
Cobb expressed interest right off the bat to join Cubs, cubs made an offer looking at him as being Lackey replacement and probably figured if he that interested he'll take the low offer..
He refused it expecting more and cubs turned to Chatwood who accepted it..
Then they had hoped for Ohtani but that didnt happen...
Focus then shifted to Darvish...
Supposedly it between Cubs Astros Rangers and Twins
So, were basically waiting for Darvish decision here if cubs made an actual offer in which were being told they havent..
I dont think they have real interest on an Arrieta return unless Arrieta takes a 1 to 3 yr deal, which he wont..
If there were a real interest on getting him back, i think they would have offered a 5 thru 7 yr deal before FA started..
Trade is probably their last resort if..
Darvish dont come
Cobb don't take 3 yr deal
Arrieta don't take a 1 yr deal
In that order don't happen
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Think you're going to see teams go back to 80's style rather than what we're accustom to. That is to say in the 80's you had a lot younger players coming to the majors. The main reason for this was because you couldn't really count on anyone after age 35. Steroids just allowed mid 30's guys to extend their peak and stay in the game longer. Sure not everyone took them but it was more a case of larger supply.
What'll be curious is if teams go back to more 80s small ball too. I suspect if teams get younger and younger scoring will drop because the thought being if a guy is say 22 he's not going to be as developed as a 25 year old. You may have a lot more guys like Russell who do enough to be worth playing but who aren't an offensive force until they reach their 4th or 5th season.
What'll be curious is if teams go back to more 80s small ball too. I suspect if teams get younger and younger scoring will drop because the thought being if a guy is say 22 he's not going to be as developed as a 25 year old. You may have a lot more guys like Russell who do enough to be worth playing but who aren't an offensive force until they reach their 4th or 5th season.
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I don't think the cubs front office is necessarily that firm on plans. I do agree they seem to view Darvish as the superior FA. But I think if a move makes sense they wouldn't hessitate to bring arrieta back. Not likely that it does make sense given where he has started but Fowler's a great example of them always looking for moves even if they seem passed.
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And Fowler was brought back on a 1 yr deal..
If their last FA hope falls to Arrieta, then i only see them looking to bring him back on a short 1 to 3 yr deal..
Which he may do, considering if it comes to that point down the road and noone else is offering what he looking for , he may just return..
I think Epstein very hesitant now on dealing away current rostered players and a trade for a SP is less likely to happen at this point..
But
I gotta feeling their going to try and do what necessary to bring in Darvish , especially if it just offering a little more money
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Fowler and Jake are terrible examples. Fowler had no real offers to go to and so the one year deal made sense as the upside was far greater than any potential downside in missed contracts was. Jake right now has at least the Cubs offer (4/110) to take so if you're talking about a one year deal then you're thinking something like 1/30? The downside for Jake is if he continues to not be 2015 Jake and now you're three years away from that AND he's going to be 33, what's his future deal going to be then? My assumption was always to the Angels: owner willing to spend, team that has to win now to keep Trout happy, just got Otani and Richards coming back so the ability to massively improve is right there.
My assumption is one of Darvish or Jake will find a 4/110 or 5/130 offer better than a pillow deal and the Cubs probably don't really care which guy takes it.
My assumption is one of Darvish or Jake will find a 4/110 or 5/130 offer better than a pillow deal and the Cubs probably don't really care which guy takes it.
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Jake would never take a 1 year deal nor would a pitcher of his status need to do that