Darnell Wright--Colossal Bust

[Discus fish salesman]

Yes I mentioned him in my later response to @didshereallysaythat but can we agree that prying him away from a legit SB contender offerring him 21m a year is not a slam dunk. You probably have to give him 25-30m a year.

Further Hargrave doesnt change Fields regression so would it make sense to give Hargrave 25-30m a year to go from 0-4 to maybe 1-3 as we probably beat the Broncos with him but doubtful we beat anyone else.

If the Bears defense had a pulse, they could easily be 3-1

 

[Myk]

I can answer some of those questions for you:

What I don't understand though is the strategy. Why would he invest so much to the linebacker position and almost nothing to rushing the passer when the Bears were really bad there last year?

Eberfluss loves his linebackers, and also loves running defenses with zero pressure. This was 100% heavily pushed by fluss. Granted poles should have said no, but its where we are at now.

And there was little invested in the offensive line outside of Wright.

Not really, they signed nate davis also. I wish they drafted a backup center, but he did invest in the line. Maybe not as much as we all hoped, but he did not neglect it.

The big question is WHY did Poles not spend big money in free agency to improve the team?

Because he knew you don't become a good team by overpaying mediocre players. No one was coming here unless they drastically got overpaid.




I don't trust poles, but don't have much of an issue with his offseason outside of potentially getting another interior lineman(center) in the draft.

There's obviously a lot of pressure from Flus to get the defense he wants. Even if this wasn't The Bears that would happen and should.
And I doubt Flus was hand picked by Poles, more likely pushed on Poles by the McCaskeys. Bears need a defensive HC who you will listen to. Do people forget how this team works? They don't let GMs be GMs.

 

[onebud34]

Patrick should be not in the starting lineup. Getsy is probably behind that one. You could move Whitehair over and was Feeney just brought in for special teams?

 

[Myk]

Even if Darnell Wright pans out to become the best RT in the league, he will still have less market value than Carter or Witherspoon.

You were planning on Carter being a headcase that you'd have to trade before his rookie contract was up? That's the only reason to care about market value.
I don't care what the market value is on the new vehicle I bought because it's not for sale. The only way it becomes for sale is if it's a lemon and wouldn't have much market value anyway.

That "talent goes to defense" mentality hasn't worked for 30 years. What makes you think it's going to start working now that the rules are even more against defense?

Patrick should be not in the starting lineup. Getsy is probably behind that one. You could move Whitehair over and was Feeney just brought in for special teams?

Should've got a center in the draft that could start by now. Whitehair is only an answer because we don't try to get a center to play at center.

 

[msadows]

Patrick should be not in the starting lineup. Getsy is probably behind that one. You could move Whitehair over and was Feeney just brought in for special teams?

Based on his snap count it doesnt even look like he's playing special teams. TBH, I forgot this dude was even on the team. Why even sign a guy you have no interest in playing?

This reminds me of the schoffield signing.

 

[Toast88]

Show me anywhere in my post where I said that.

The Bears regressed because Fields regressed. It doesnt matter who we added in FA, this season was only going to go well if Fields took the next step. He was given sufficent resources to do so but has failed thus far to take the next step. The end.

The reason you gave for the Bears regressing despite having the most cap room was, “Because we didnt spent it Duh!”

Presumably you knew before the season that the Bears didn’t spend it. So you were expecting them to regress despite adding not-insignificant pieces to the team.

Ultimately it doesn’t matter. Anyone here can expect or not expect anything they want. Lord knows I made a mistake on my own expectations (which were low, but holy shit). I’m just letting you know where my comment was coming from.

 

[jive]

You were planning on Carter being a headcase that you'd have to trade before his rookie contract was up? That's the only reason to care about market value.
I don't care what the market value is on the new vehicle I bought because it's not for sale. The only way it becomes for sale is if it's a lemon and wouldn't have much market value anyway.

If I have $100, Id rather get something fire rather than mids, even though I will smoke all that weed myself.

 

[remydat]

It's not my job to find the players, it's Poles. What I don't understand though is the strategy. Why would he invest so much to the linebacker position and almost nothing to rushing the passer when the Bears were really bad there last year? And the defensive line is still terrible. And there was little invested in the offensive line outside of Wright. We can agree to disagree on how good he is, but they needed to add way more depth on the line. That is obvious.

The big question is WHY did Poles not spend big money in free agency to improve the team? Unless he has some big master grand scheme to tank again for Caleb Williams and Eberflus who he hand picked was just a scapegoat HC to help get us there.

Let me ask you this. Why do you trust Poles to leverage 2 top 10 picks next year? What has he done that leads you to believe he shouldn't be fired when they power wash the entire coaching staff after this year?

That is a chicken shit response. If you are going to whine then you should at least have an idea who was available.

The strategy is simple. He grades players and assigns a value to them. It just so happens that the LBs value matched his grade for them. He didnt sign a pass rusher to big money because he likely didnt grade them high enough to warrant the money they signed for. Outside of Hargrave who I think we had no shot at as again a SB favorite gave him 21m.

Is he supposed to pull an elite pass rusher out of his ass if one wasnt available that actually wanted to come here?

I dont know if Poles will make the right choice with the first rounders he has. So no it isnt about faith. It is about you guys whining incessantly like little children with no actual fucking clue as to who was actually available that it made sense for Poles to sign.

 

[remydat]

The reason you gave for the Bears regressing despite having the most cap room was, “Because we didnt spent it Duh!”

Presumably you knew before the season that the Bears didn’t spend it. So you were expecting them to regress despite adding not-insignificant pieces to the team.

Ultimately it doesn’t matter. Anyone here can expect or not expect anything they want. Lord knows I made a mistake on my own expectations (which were low, but holy shit). I’m just letting you know where my comment was coming from.

I was pointing out having the most cap space was irrelevant to our regression because we didnt spend it. Why would having the most cap matter if we largely saved it for 2024?

I then identified the actual reason we regresssed ie Fields. So no I did not expect the Bears to regress because I expected Fields to play better.

 

[Myk]

If I have $100, Id rather get something fire rather than mids, even though I will smoke all that weed myself.

Depends on your definition of fire. If you're one of those who only goes by THC% you're missing out on a lot. If you think a 6% 1:1 can be fire because of the terpines you probably wouldn't want to pay $100 for an 8th even though it's fire because you're going to party like it's 1979 to get as high as you want.

But anyway, market value only matters if you're selling. Why would you sell talent?

 

[jive]

Depends on your definition of fire. If you're one of those who only goes by THC% you're missing out on a lot. If you think a 6% 1:1 can be fire because of the terpines you probably wouldn't want to pay $100 for an 8th even though it's fire because you're going to party like it's 1979 to get as high as you want.

But anyway, market value only matters if you're selling. Why would you sell talent?

One of my part time gigs is reviewing weed. I have smoked over 300 different strains this year, so please trust that I know what I'm talking about in that realm. What makes for a $100 eighth is a combination of potency, bag appeal, aesthetics such as nose and flavor, type of effects, difficulty of grow and the rarity of genetics in relation to demand. You're not gonna sell an eighth of Runtz for $100, because it's not hard to find a quality Runtz for less. If you had an original cut of some heritage strain like Skunk #1 or a rare cross that checks all the aesthetic boxes, you can demand more money because of it's quality and rarity. No connoisseur really cares about THC percentages, it's more for the government and beginners. If THC percentage was everything, disty carts would get you high as ****, but they don't.

A top RT is like a Runtz. It's nice, but they are easier to find, especially in the later rounds. They are also cheaper in free agency.
A CB, DE, or DT is like rare genetics or a unique cross grown indoors in living soil. It's hard to find on the cheap and cost alot in the secondary market.

Value is not just for trade, but for opportunity cost. Taking a position in an early round that could be filled in later rounds means that you miss out on the top prospects that are most often found in the early rounds. Taking Wright cost us a Carter, Van Ness, Forbes, or Gonzalez. It makes a difference because there is a drop off in talent for premium positions in the 2nd round, with increasing drop offs each subsequent round.

And why would you sell talent? Because you may have different needs, like a new scheme where that person may not fit. You may wind up with a surplus for a position because you found a late round gem or 2. There's many reasons why you may sell talent. Regardless, you'll get more in trade for a premium position. Why remove that option if you don't need to.

 

[RiDLer80]

Wright is a damn good tackle already and he still has plenty of room to grow.

Out there creating running lanes and stonewalling guys in pass pro. It's nice to have one position that we won't have to worry about for ten years.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1709769670989856841

 

[Heidenlarm]

Rookie. Bust. Four (fore) (4) (this little piggy went who what?) games.

 

[nc0gnet0]

I was pointing out having the most cap space was irrelevant to our regression because we didnt spend it. Why would having the most cap matter if we largely saved it for 2024?

I then identified the actual reason we regresssed ie Fields. So no I did not expect the Bears to regress because I expected Fields to play better.

Why do you keep saying this? It is a complete load of crap.
How much cap did the Bears start with?
How much cap do they have now?
Do the math, subtract A from B......that is how much they spent.

 

[Myk]

One of my part time gigs is reviewing weed. I have smoked over 300 different strains this year, so please trust that I know what I'm talking about in that realm. What makes for a $100 eighth is a combination of potency, bag appeal, aesthetics such as nose and flavor, type of effects, difficulty of grow and the rarity of genetics in relation to demand. You're not gonna sell an eighth of Runtz for $100, because it's not hard to find a quality Runtz for less. If you had an original cut of some heritage strain like Skunk #1 or a rare cross that checks all the aesthetic boxes, you can demand more money because of it's quality and rarity. No connoisseur really cares about THC percentages, it's more for the government and beginners. If THC percentage was everything, disty carts would get you high as ****, but they don't.

A top RT is like a Runtz. It's nice, but they are easier to find, especially in the later rounds. They are also cheaper in free agency.
A CB, DE, or DT is like rare genetics or a unique cross grown indoors in living soil. It's hard to find on the cheap and cost alot in the secondary market.

Value is not just for trade, but for opportunity cost. Taking a position in an early round that could be filled in later rounds means that you miss out on the top prospects that are most often found in the early rounds. Taking Wright cost us a Carter, Van Ness, Forbes, or Gonzalez. It makes a difference because there is a drop off in talent for premium positions in the 2nd round, with increasing drop offs each subsequent round.

And why would you sell talent? Because you may have different needs, like a new scheme where that person may not fit. You may wind up with a surplus for a position because you found a late round gem or 2. There's many reasons why you may sell talent. Regardless, you'll get more in trade for a premium position. Why remove that option if you don't need to.

I only like that for the weed stuff. I don't agree that protecting your QB 16 games a year is worth less than attacking 10 QBs once a year and 3 QBs twice a year.
How many QBs have we ruined with injuries because we don't protect them? Grossman and Cutler come to mind. Probably don't want to smoke your $100 weed in a $15 Aqua Pipe, so why protect your 1st round QB with late round oline when there's 1st round pass rush coming after them?

Can hemp be fire? As I tell a friend, it may not get you high but compared to what we were getting in the 70s it's pretty good. Also priced about the same.

 

[jive]

I only like that for the weed stuff. I don't agree that protecting your QB 16 games a year is worth less than attacking 10 QBs once a year and 3 QBs twice a year.
How many QBs have we ruined with injuries because we don't protect them? Grossman and Cutler come to mind. Probably don't want to smoke your $100 weed in a $15 Aqua Pipe, so why protect your 1st round QB with late round oline when there's 1st round pass rush coming after

That is why a LT makes the big bucks.
You can slice it any way you want, but in reality is that RT isn't a premium position based on what the market values them at.

All your rationale won't change the fact that a top DT is worth more than a top RT.

 

[dennehy]

Wright is a damn good tackle already and he still has plenty of room to grow.

Out there creating running lanes and stonewalling guys in pass pro. It's nice to have one position that we won't have to worry about for ten years.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1709769670989856841

Thought Davis played well too, he dominated in the run game in the second half (they both did). I think most of Wright's mistakes are rookie mistakes. Two terrible penalties that were both downfield and caused by overexuberance. He undersets a few times a game in pas pro, which leads to his problems. His pass pro technique is raw, he leans forward a bunch, his feet get stuck. But when he latches it's over no matter where his feet are. Serious anchor.

 

[bamainatlanta]

Thought Davis played well too, he dominated in the run game in the second half (they both did). I think most of Wright's mistakes are rookie mistakes. Two terrible penalties that were both downfield and caused by overexuberance. He undersets a few times a game in pas pro, which leads to his problems. His pass pro technique is raw, he leans forward a bunch, his feet get stuck. But when he latches it's over no matter where his feet are. Serious anchor.

He’s the next Lane Johnson. Barring injuries, Bears won’t need a RT for 10years.

 

[BaBaBlacksheep]

If the Bears defense had a pulse, they could easily be 3-1

If I had a billion dollars I’d be a billionaire.

 

[remydat]

Why do you keep saying this? It is a complete load of crap.
How much cap did the Bears start with?
How much cap do they have now?
Do the math, subtract A from B......that is how much they spent.

Jesus quit being stupid. Obviously they spent some of it as we added people. The point was they really didnt spend a ton in FA hence why they had the post cap space left at the end of FA which they then used to extend a few guys. They also have 110m in cap next year.