Darnell Wright--Colossal Bust

[bamainatlanta]

Probably didn't hurt that Devon Witherspoon is another near-lock to be an All-Pro.

True but the consensus in Seahawks world is that he was removed from their board altogether, mainly because they felt he could be the next Malik McDowell

 

[bamainatlanta]

Mark Anderson was a fucking bum in his second year after his fluke first year.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

Because we didnt spent it Duh! We have 110m in cap for next year.

Who should we have spent it on bearing ib mind that Wright grades out higher than all FA tackles Bears fans were interested in?

Javon Hargraves. Literally pay him whatever it took to keep him from SF. When you have more money than you can use and a glaring hole (DL), do whatever it takes to address it with elite talent.

 

[ijustposthere]

You’re also spanning like a decade worth of picks lol

Tillman was not looked at favorably with a large chunk of the fan base. Lot of fans wanted him gone early in his career. He didn’t really break out until much later than year 2. Very similar to Kyle Fuller in that regard

Vasher had a couple of solid seasons but was never anything special. Also had an elite DL and defense overall which helps any CB

Other than anderson’s rookie year, he was trash.

Cody Whitehair is…Cody whitehair. Decent pick

Jordan Howard ran behind a great OL for coach Fox who ran a ton.

I don’t think you can really compare 10 years worth of draft picks to 2 years worth of picks and only 4 games into year 2 at that. Gordon has been out. Brisker is banged up. The jury is still out on all these guys

Idk, I remember a lot of people loving Tillman as a rookie when stole the ball from Moss, and I'm pretty sure Jordan Howard didn't run behind a great OL. Tillman got DROY votes, btw.

 

[Myk]

I've been saying it all season. He's really bad.

What happened to you? Did your brain get ripped out along with your dick?

Rookie oline is why I said to do something last year or get a FA this year. You really can't judge them their first year. Jones is the one you should be looking at hard now. The rookie not until the end of the season to take a guess on. From what I've seen he'll probably be fine and fine at LT.
Both our OTs are better than what we've had since forever, at least they have the ability to not get pushed into our QB every play.

 

[jive]

You’re also spanning like a decade worth of picks lol

Tillman was not looked at favorably with a large chunk of the fan base. Lot of fans wanted him gone early in his career. He didn’t really break out until much later than year 2. Very similar to Kyle Fuller in that regard

Vasher had a couple of solid seasons but was never anything special. Also had an elite DL and defense overall which helps any CB

Other than anderson’s rookie year, he was trash.

Cody Whitehair is…Cody whitehair. Decent pick

Jordan Howard ran behind a great OL for coach Fox who ran a ton.

I don’t think you can really compare 10 years worth of draft picks to 2 years worth of picks and only 4 games into year 2 at that. Gordon has been out. Brisker is banged up. The jury is still out on all these guys

You can ding those guys for whatever, but it can't be denied that they helped the team win games.

None of the picks by Poles are helping us win games. 14 game losing streak is proof.

 

[DanielCCSBears]

I haven't seen anything that makes me think he'll be a colossal bust but I haven't seen anything that makes me think he was worth a Top-10 pick either.

 

[Montucky]

True but the consensus in Seahawks world is that he was removed from their board altogether, mainly because they felt he could be the next Malik McDowell

Then they were wrong on that. Jalen Carter just seems dialed in. Right down to his facial expressions and body language, its an entirely different guy than who you saw huffing air in the CFP.

Lucky for the Seahawks it doesn't feel bad because you got the next best player in this draft who also plays a premium position.

 

[Myk]

I haven't seen anything that makes me think he'll be a colossal bust but I haven't seen anything that makes me think he was worth a Top-10 pick either.

What would you expect to see from a rookie OT 4 games in to say worth a top-10, sack the QB?
Seems to be what it took for people to say Massie and Leno were good, I've seen them get multiple sacks in one game.

I know, I know, if we only had a QB who would get the ball out in .5 seconds we would call him a noodle arm that can't throw over 5yds.

 

[playthrough2001]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1709212004026548631

 

[jive]

Mark Anderson was a fucking bum in his second year after his fluke first year.

No doubt.
But no doubt that his 12 sacks that year helped the Bears get into the Superbowl

 

[bamainatlanta]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1709212004026548631

BOBBY MASSIE!!!!

 

[remydat]

He goes and makes his highest 2 paid FA signings off ball LB'ers. And they have had little to no impact. Partially because they have not played well but also because the Bears defensive line is horrible. We have 2 sacks in 4 games. With the exception of Ngakoue, all their signings on the D Line went to stopping the run. Yet they are still below average giving up over 115 yards per game on the ground.

Who are the best players that Poles has either drafted in the past 2 years that we can honestly say are impact players? Would we put Brisker there? Maybe. Gordon? Hard to say but he looks decent. Sanborn as a UDFA was a good signing. Johnson looks good as a backup RB. Yannick and Billings are ok. DJ Moore cost them a 1st round pick and is clearly their best player on either side of the ball. Point is, he has found a few luke warm players but mostly players that have not shown to be very impactful. And it clearly shows with how the team is playing. And you trust him with 2 top 10 draft picks next year?

I asked who he should have spent money on not for you to whine some more. Edwards is not one of his 2 highest FA signings. He makes 6.5m a year. Walker, Davis, Yannick all make more. Edwards can be cut after 1 year and save 4m.

The reality is Poles did not commit a bunch of money to this past FA class. It is fine if you disagree but disagree by telling me who is the FA we realisitically could have had that would save this season?

Most of the FAs Bears fans wanted havent actually played that well. Certainly not the tackles who Wright has outpeformed.

On the DL, Hargrave has been great but probably wasnt coming here given he got 21m from a legit SB contender. Dre'Mont Jones has been ok but only has 1 sack.

So I really am not sure who it is you are suggesting we passed on that would make us significantly better. The reality is the only path to success for this team was if Fields became a top 10 QB. He hasnt. The end.

 

[remydat]

So you expected the Bears to regress after adding DJ Moore, Justin Fields riding high on progress from late last year, the offense having another year under Luke Getsy, and using draft picks on guys Bears fans were all pretty sure were going to be good? And you expected that because they kept most of their money in their pocket?

I mean, I’m very much a realist who hasn’t liked Poles or Eberflus for a while now, and I was still expecting them to double their win total. I think this massive regression is extremely concerning, not something to be pushed aside as expected. It wasn’t expected.

Show me anywhere in my post where I said that.

The Bears regressed because Fields regressed. It doesnt matter who we added in FA, this season was only going to go well if Fields took the next step. He was given sufficent resources to do so but has failed thus far to take the next step. The end.

 

[remydat]

Javon Hargraves. Literally pay him whatever it took to keep him from SF. When you have more money than you can use and a glaring hole (DL), do whatever it takes to address it with elite talent.

Yes I mentioned him in my later response to @didshereallysaythat but can we agree that prying him away from a legit SB contender offerring him 21m a year is not a slam dunk. You probably have to give him 25-30m a year.

Further Hargrave doesnt change Fields regression so would it make sense to give Hargrave 25-30m a year to go from 0-4 to maybe 1-3 as we probably beat the Broncos with him but doubtful we beat anyone else.

 

[bamainatlanta]

Hargreaves said he wanted to win a Super Bowl. The dude is 31(?) and probably realized this shit show of a franchise was nowhere near as close as most of the league.

 

[didshereallysaythat]

I asked who he should have spent money on not for you to whine some more. Edwards is not one of his 2 highest FA signings. He makes 6.5m a year. Walker, Davis, Yannick all make more. Edwards can be cut after 1 year and save 4m.

The reality is Poles did not commit a bunch of money to this past FA class. It is fine if you disagree but disagree by telling me who is the FA we realisitically could have had that would save this season?

Most of the FAs Bears fans wanted havent actually played that well. Certainly not the tackles who Wright has outpeformed.

On the DL, Hargrave has been great but probably wasnt coming here given he got 21m from a legit SB contender. Dre'Mont Jones has been ok but only has 1 sack.

So I really am not sure who it is you are suggesting we passed on that would make us significantly better. The reality is the only path to success for this team was if Fields became a top 10 QB. He hasnt. The end.

It's not my job to find the players, it's Poles. What I don't understand though is the strategy. Why would he invest so much to the linebacker position and almost nothing to rushing the passer when the Bears were really bad there last year? And the defensive line is still terrible. And there was little invested in the offensive line outside of Wright. We can agree to disagree on how good he is, but they needed to add way more depth on the line. That is obvious.

The big question is WHY did Poles not spend big money in free agency to improve the team? Unless he has some big master grand scheme to tank again for Caleb Williams and Eberflus who he hand picked was just a scapegoat HC to help get us there.

Let me ask you this. Why do you trust Poles to leverage 2 top 10 picks next year? What has he done that leads you to believe he shouldn't be fired when they power wash the entire coaching staff after this year?

 

[msadows]

It's not my job to find the players, it's Poles. What I don't understand though is the strategy. Why would he invest so much to the linebacker position and almost nothing to rushing the passer when the Bears were really bad there last year? And the defensive line is still terrible. And there was little invested in the offensive line outside of Wright. We can agree to disagree on how good he is, but they needed to add way more depth on the line. That is obvious.

The big question is WHY did Poles not spend big money in free agency to improve the team? Unless he has some big master grand scheme to tank again for Caleb Williams and Eberflus who he hand picked was just a scapegoat HC to help get us there.

Let me ask you this. Why do you trust Poles to leverage 2 top 10 picks next year? What has he done that leads you to believe he shouldn't be fired when they power wash the entire coaching staff after this year?

I can answer some of those questions for you:

What I don't understand though is the strategy. Why would he invest so much to the linebacker position and almost nothing to rushing the passer when the Bears were really bad there last year?

Eberfluss loves his linebackers, and also loves running defenses with zero pressure. This was 100% heavily pushed by fluss. Granted poles should have said no, but its where we are at now.

And there was little invested in the offensive line outside of Wright.

Not really, they signed nate davis also. I wish they drafted a backup center, but he did invest in the line. Maybe not as much as we all hoped, but he did not neglect it.

The big question is WHY did Poles not spend big money in free agency to improve the team?

Because he knew you don't become a good team by overpaying mediocre players. No one was coming here unless they drastically got overpaid.




I don't trust poles, but don't have much of an issue with his offseason outside of potentially getting another interior lineman(center) in the draft.

 

[msadows]

The main issue with the oline is patrick.

Once jenkins comes back they should look solid(long as he stays healthy). I had no issue with him wanting to hopefully develop Braxton after a strong year 1. I do have issues with sticking with the current shitty depth we already had, outside of borom, who I think is a serviceable swing tackle.

No excuse for having patrick be your backup interior after what he showed last year.

 

[bamainatlanta]

It was a very subpar free agency for defensive line. Some pointed this out long before free agency in 2023 and most didn’t listen. I know I didn’t listen to it.