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[CSF77]

Cubs rumors: Marcus Stroman's latest, David Ross on the hot seat, Hendricks' future

The most recent Cubs news includes updates on Marcus Stroman and Kyle Hendricks, David Ross on the hot seat and more.

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Interesting stuff

 

[JustinSteeleCyYoung]

He made the "ignore" list yesterday......he's got nothing I'm interested in. Another new guy posted and pegged him as a 12 year old.
Not a bad guess.

Imagine how fragile of a man you have to be to put a guy on ignore on a forum AND make a fake account to get someone to echo your sentiment.

You’re the only thing more humiliating than David Ross’s September

 

[CSF77]

In a recent article by Sahadev Sharma and Patrick Mooney for The Athletic (subscription required), it was revealed that Marcus Stroman will most likely opt into the final year of his contract, giving him $21 million in 2024.

The Chicago Cubs are building a playoff team, but with David Ross, they've been underperforming massively. On Sept. 16, they played a 13-inning game versus the Diamondbacks in which they lost 7-6, but in that game, David Ross used seven different pitchers, and some of his decisions were questionable at best.

According to Pythagorean Win Projection, we would expect a team with the Cubs run differential to hold a record of 84-67, but instead, they hold a 79-72 record, meaning they have lost in five more games than we would expect.


Kyle Hendricks can turn around his career. He mostly struggles when he goes through the lineup for the second time. When facing hitters for the first time, he holds a 2.83 ERA, but by the time it's the second time, he has a 5.06 ERA. However, he then fixes his mistakes the third time around, with a 3.26 ERA.


So it makes sense why David is doing what he is doing. Job on the line. Team should be at 84 wins and he has managed them to 79.

 

[Diehardfan]

Justin is a 2 pitch guy. His 4 has a natural cut to it. His slider plays off it. His slider flattened and they were on him. Prior he was dominant.

2 games in a row now. Red flags are waving

Yes they are....he's never been this deep into a season making reg starts and never had this many starts. Funny, how pitchers these days are so brittle. Back in the day starters used to throw 130-140 pitches, throw complete games and almost never miss a start.

 

[JustinSteeleCyYoung]

In a recent article by Sahadev Sharma and Patrick Mooney for The Athletic (subscription required), it was revealed that Marcus Stroman will most likely opt into the final year of his contract, giving him $21 million in 2024.

The Chicago Cubs are building a playoff team, but with David Ross, they've been underperforming massively. On Sept. 16, they played a 13-inning game versus the Diamondbacks in which they lost 7-6, but in that game, David Ross used seven different pitchers, and some of his decisions were questionable at best.

According to Pythagorean Win Projection, we would expect a team with the Cubs run differential to hold a record of 84-67, but instead, they hold a 79-72 record, meaning they have lost in five more games than we would expect.


Kyle Hendricks can turn around his career. He mostly struggles when he goes through the lineup for the second time. When facing hitters for the first time, he holds a 2.83 ERA, but by the time it's the second time, he has a 5.06 ERA. However, he then fixes his mistakes the third time around, with a 3.26 ERA.


So it makes sense why David is doing what he is doing. Job on the line. Team should be at 84 wins and he has managed them to 79.

They would have won that game Saturday with any other manager on the planet.

Most don’t remember this, but Morel turned a huge inning into a small inning early in that game with one of the worst at bats and double plays you will ever see.

That’s part of the problem with hitting your 8th best hitter 3rd.

 

[JustinSteeleCyYoung]

Speaking of Morel, he swings at a pitch in the left handed batter’s box that bounces.

Gotta move him back to the 3 hole, Ross! He’s elite!

 

[JustinSteeleCyYoung]

Swanson worst hitter in baseball the last few weeks

Naturally Ross keeps him right behind Bellinger.

Bellinger has been given 0 pitches to hit. 2 walks.

5 runners stranded with 2 outs for Swanson.

David Ross is such a good manager guys!

 

[JustinSteeleCyYoung]

It’s pretty sad when our players are smarter than our manager.

Bellinger puts his bat on his shoulders knowing he won’t get a single pitch to hit because of Swanson’s struggles.

But the guy making $4,000,000 a year to manage never thought “hmm, should I put a guy who has been competent at the plate behind Bellinger”

Nawwww

 

[JustinSteeleCyYoung]

Ross putting the final touches on one of the worst collapses in mlb history and we are debating whether he keeps his job.

Yes, why wouldn’t you want this guy at the helm next September

 

[JP Hochbaum]

I definitely wouldn't rely on the pythagorean run differential as a way to measure managers. It is easily swayed the wrong way with several 14-1 wins and numerous one run loss games.

THe Cubs issue down the stretch was having a very young pitching staff that lost gas, including Steele. The lineup also had numerous games where it forgot to hit, particularly against Arizona.

The team was never expected to be a playoff team yet has been in it all the way to the end, that has to count for something.

 

[JustinSteeleCyYoung]

I definitely wouldn't rely on the pythagorean run differential as a way to measure managers. It is easily swayed the wrong way with several 14-1 wins and numerous one run loss games.

THe Cubs issue down the stretch was having a very young pitching staff that lost gas, including Steele. The lineup also had numerous games where it forgot to hit, particularly against Arizona.

The team was never expected to be a playoff team yet has been in it all the way to the end, that has to count for something.

The cubs have more talent than Cincinnati or Miami and more pitching than Arizona.

So I don’t understand this point.

The playoffs were expanded. Even mediocre teams make the playoffs now.

 

[wonky73]

Dudes managed the team into a 1969 level collapse and some people think he shouldn't be fired. LOL

 

[JustinSteeleCyYoung]

Dudes managed the team into a 1969 level collapse and some people think he shouldn't be fired. LOL

Here's a question... Suzuki works an 8 pitch at bat vs the best closer in the league and draws a hard earned walk to bring up the tying run in a game they can't lose... but the umpire calls a pitch 3 inches high a strike.

As a manager, how do you not get tossed there?

David Ross is a fucking pussy. Every other manager in the league gets tossed there.

It'd be embarrassing not to fire him.

 

[JP Hochbaum]

The cubs have more talent than Cincinnati or Miami and more pitching than Arizona.

So I don’t understand this point.

The playoffs were expanded. Even mediocre teams make the playoffs now.

The CUbs lost the entire back half of their bullpen, not sure you noticed that.

They had to rely on 4 relievers the entire year in high leverage spots. That is mostly on Hoyer. ANd after Stroman got hurt the starters became very young, and faltered at the end.

 

[JustinSteeleCyYoung]

The CUbs lost the entire back half of their bullpen, not sure you noticed that.

They had to rely on 4 relievers the entire year in high leverage spots. That is mostly on Hoyer. ANd after Stroman got hurt the starters became very young, and faltered at the end.

I think you're missing the point. The Marlins have a mediocre team. The Reds have a horrific starting rotation and bullpen. The diamondbacks have like 2 good pitchers period.

Ross is not able to figure out a way to beat the worst teams in baseball right now. He's making bad lineup decisions. He's making bad bullpen decisions.

I don't even understand the point of a manager if you're going to just say he didn't have the talent. This team has more talent than the other teams in the wild card race. They're choking. Not only that, if they get screwed by the umpire, Ross just sits there and takes it.

Why would you want to retain such a ***** of a manager?

 

[Diehardfan]

I definitely wouldn't rely on the pythagorean run differential as a way to measure managers. It is easily swayed the wrong way with several 14-1 wins and numerous one run loss games.

THe Cubs issue down the stretch was having a very young pitching staff that lost gas, including Steele. The lineup also had numerous games where it forgot to hit, particularly against Arizona.

The team was never expected to be a playoff team yet has been in it all the way to the end, that has to count for something.

I'm not exactly sure what it's good for. It's an easily skewed stat that doesn't prove much of anything as you pointed out. I think the Cubs were near the top of MLB in double digit scoring games yet 8 or 9 teams had a bigger differential.

 

[JP Hochbaum]

I think you're missing the point. The Marlins have a mediocre team. The Reds have a horrific starting rotation and bullpen. The diamondbacks have like 2 good pitchers period.

Ross is not able to figure out a way to beat the worst teams in baseball right now. He's making bad lineup decisions. He's making bad bullpen decisions.

I don't even understand the point of a manager if you're going to just say he didn't have the talent. This team has more talent than the other teams in the wild card race. They're choking. Not only that, if they get screwed by the umpire, Ross just sits there and takes it.

Why would you want to retain such a ***** of a manager?

SO should the BRaves fire their manager as well when the Cubs took 2 out of 3 for them? THis is the logic you are using.

 

[JP Hochbaum]

I'm not exactly sure what it's good for. It's an easily skewed stat that doesn't prove much of anything as you pointed out. I think the Cubs were near the top of MLB in double digit scoring games yet 8 or 9 teams had a bigger differential.

It is kind of like a quality start stat. Good for high level stats, but when you go lower level and see how the run diffs come about it tends to become much more nuanced.

 

[JustinSteeleCyYoung]

SO should the BRaves fire their manager as well when the Cubs took 2 out of 3 for them? THis is the logic you are using.

Oh, okay, let me add some context so that you can't possibly think that's my point.

The Braves won a world series with their current manager and also have the 1 seed locked up.

The Cubs, however, have went from a 95% chance to make the playoffs to a 35% chance to make the playoffs despite playing bottom dwellers and a mediocre Diamondbacks team the last few weeks. Ross has also never proven he can win as a manager.

Hopefully that clears things up.

 

[CSF77]

Ross should be fired. Being in Counsell.

A manager should be judged on results. Ross fell short. Counselldid not. It is a simple issue that has a simple answer.

Everything else is pointless. Given little talent. Injuries. Dealing with injury.

All teams deal with this. What matters is the bottom line. Did he win when needed to? No. He kept doing the same thing expecting a different result.

Yet again benching Canario and PCA and watching the O do nothing until the game was nearly done

I give Ross cred for sticking to his guns. Blanks and all.