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I think if Mitch Daniels won the GOP nomination this run, I would heavily consider voting for him.

I am non-partisan. Democrats are Special person, and so are republicans. But once in a while you find some ideas that match the times we live in. But since Mitch isn't running now, lets see how he adjusts his views and ideas to match the next round in 2020(because his family does not support a run in 2011/12.)

In what I have seen of Mitch Daniels myself, he seems like a level headed guy compared to the rest of the GOP. I of course don't agree with a lot of his views. As for other GOP candidates...Romney is a sellout and at this point, like McCain in 2008, and will do anything to get elected (Which will be the wrong thing since as Republican you basically have to go hard right now). In my opinion, more so why Daniels did not want to enter the field to run for President. (Every politician seems to use family as an excuse for everything).
 

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As a taxpaying US citizen, you need to do 1 of 2 things. Get your shit straight or get replaced.

Thank God I moved my 401K to a bond market long ago, to the rest that did not...that's your fault for trusting the gov't.

Unless you are on the doorstep of retirement, bad idea to leave this market
 

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It saddens me that Obama gets blamed for Goerge Bush's ignorance...But then again I don't feel sorry for Obama because he took on the job willingly...When Goerge Bush took a shit, no plumber can unclog this toilet called America, especially when the republican run house fight to make sure Obama gets nothing done for there own political gain...If America puts one more dam republican in the whitehouse I will be postingon this board from Canada......I have a solution....We should all vote for an independant like Jesse Ventura who will tear down the government and rebuild it from the ground up.......

You do know that the two biggest increases in debt occurred under democratic control
 

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If only we had a third term of Bush. Liberals are driving us as fast as they can to poverty

Doesn't really matter who is in office until the Federal Reserve System is eliminated....all the $$ feeds the rich banks overseas.

Check out the vid.
 

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You do know that the two biggest increases in debt occurred under democratic control

George W. Bush and the Republican Congress took a budget surplus in 2001 and turn it into mass debt between tax cuts, increase in defense spending, more tax cuts, and added spending to Medicare. If he had kept on course what the Clinton Administration and Republican Congress had crafted by the year 2000, our national debt would have been paid off by 2009.

That said, I don't dispute that the Obama administration has not increased the debt substainally, but he had plenty of help from the prior administration.
 

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Can I seriously just ask what it is with most of the Tea Party people?

I seriously don't know what platform they are running on..
 

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Can I seriously just ask what it is with most of the Tea Party people?

I seriously don't know what platform they are running on..

Elimination of the Federal Government.
 

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tea party fools, movements been hijacked long ago.

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As a taxpaying US citizen, you need to do 1 of 2 things. Get your shit straight or get replaced.

Thank God I moved my 401K to a bond market long ago, to the rest that did not...that's your fault for trusting the gov't.

oh god. why did you do that?
 

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Elimination of the Federal Government.

That's what I thought for the most part..

Didn't know if there was anything else to it also..

I know Bachmann saying she wants unemployment to get worse so she can win the presidency by rage.. Batshit crazy and stupid there.
 

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Wish we could get a completely independent middle gov.

No corporation funding.. no wall street funding..

Go through and fix the whole system.
 

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Wish we could get a completely independent middle gov.

No corporation funding.. no wall street funding..

Go through and fix the whole system.

Our democracy is broken and it was broken by the 2-party system that discourages any 3rd parties from forming. Election laws have been written as such to prevent a 3rd party from gaining much momentum. I would kill to have a 3rd party candidate who clearly caters to the middle of the road in this country and isn't so chalk full of special interests.
 

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It saddens me that Obama gets blamed for Goerge Bush's ignorance...But then again I don't feel sorry for Obama because he took on the job willingly...When Goerge Bush took a shit, no plumber can unclog this toilet called America, especially when the republican run house fight to make sure Obama gets nothing done for there own political gain...If America puts one more dam republican in the whitehouse I will be postingon this board from Canada......I have a solution....We should all vote for an independant like Jesse Ventura who will tear down the government and rebuild it from the ground up.......

Stick to the Bulls forum, troll.
 

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Can I seriously just ask what it is with most of the Tea Party people?

I seriously don't know what platform they are running on..

The Tea Party... which, by some association, I guess I am part of, but I am really not one of them.

The Tea Party started as a wake up to the Republican party, remind them to be, in some sense, conservative. Because there hasn't been on republican President in 100 years who has been conservative whatsoever. The closest thing to any form of conservatism we have seen in the White House was ironically, Bill Clinton.

Well, somewhere in the midst of the 2010 elections, votes from both main partys and some of the smaller ones formed many grass roots movements allover the United States. By some media label, they were called the Tea Party. They, as in town-hall like, politically minded people who support every which issue and angle possible in hopes to redefine how we determine the basic structure of the federal government. Some people didn't like the label, some did. Some claim to be Tea Party conservatives when they weren't, ect. It's a mess when you try to apply the label to anything, and if you want to simplify it, you're just being flat out ignorant.

This movement became very catchy and marketable. Therefore the label had a high value of it's own. The establishment saw an opportunity, and they hijacked this movement, to make it their own. Therefore there is no real way to describe what it is, but if you want to call the current Tea Party anything, you can call it the politicians favorite scapegoat.

What it was originally, was a fundraiser that happened on the anniversary of the Boston Tea Party for Ron Paul back in December of 07. This is where more people had financially contributed to an election on a single day, than anytime ever in the history of politics. They didn't raise the most money, but more people had contributed. It ended up being around $6.5 million for the day, and it made such big headlines, that it coined the re-introduction of the ideas of the Tea Party. Then going into the 2010 elections, Ron Paul's son, Rand Paul, turned it into a platform of sorts when he ran against the media's choice, and establishment's choice for Senate. He states that he was supporting the ideas of the contributors of that day, and the movement within. But since then, like I said, the phrase/label/term has been completely hijacked.
Therefore when you hear it used, it's rarely, if ever used in the same context that represents the Boston Tea party, and the original grass roots contributors that made history.


By association, I guess I can be called a Tea Party *insert derogatory phrase here*, but I have my own ideas, and I only side with some conservative ideas, I do not adopt the platform.
 

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George W. Bush and the Republican Congress took a budget surplus in 2001 and turn it into mass debt between tax cuts, increase in defense spending, more tax cuts, and added spending to Medicare. If he had kept on course what the Clinton Administration and Republican Congress had crafted by the year 2000, our national debt would have been paid off by 2009.

That said, I don't dispute that the Obama administration has not increased the debt substainally, but he had plenty of help from the prior administration.

1) The Clinton Administration is to blame for one of the previously mentioned two largest increases in National debt. The other is of course the current Administration.

2) Before the Republicans are the one that get the credit for the balanced budget, not the Democrats. (I do give President Clinton credit for changing his mind after his largest raise ever in National debt prior to the Republicans getting it adjusted).

3) Let's see, what happened in 2001. Some horrific event....That is why costs spiraled. We were at war. Nonetheless, President Bush saw that we had a surplus and gave every American a tax cut. The rich to the poor. The top 50% of wage earners paid over 96% of the taxes. Now I am all for tax reform, but taxing people at a different rate the more money they make is wrong and it hurts creating jobs.

4) I would quit using the excuse of previous Administration in reference to President Obama. The Democratic Congress for the past 6 years of which President Obama was part of for the first two years is to blame for the other largest debt increase ever. Even the current Administration has stopped hiding behind that old line.

5) The only ones that want a balanced budget are the Republicans. They tried to get an amendment done and the Democrats vehemently objected.
 

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1) The Clinton Administration is to blame for one of the previously mentioned two largest increases in National debt. The other is of course the current Administration.

You really should read this: National debt by U.S. presidential terms - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

2) Before the Republicans are the one that get the credit for the balanced budget, not the Democrats. (I do give President Clinton credit for changing his mind after his largest raise ever in National debt prior to the Republicans getting it adjusted).

My point wasn't that a Democrat in the White House balanced the budget, my more so point was Democratic White House worked with a Republican Congress and they created the budget surplus seen in 2000 (you know...Compromise..something Republicans don't believe in at all anymore).

3) Let's see, what happened in 2001. Some horrific event....That is why costs spiraled. We were at war. Nonetheless, President Bush saw that we had a surplus and gave every American a tax cut. The rich to the poor. The top 50% of wage earners paid over 96% of the taxes. Now I am all for tax reform, but taxing people at a different rate the more money they make is wrong and it hurts creating jobs.

Yup, looking at history, every President in United States history RAISED taxes to pay for wars. Bush lowered taxes while just borrowing more money. Vice President Dick Cheney was quoted as saying "Deficits don't matter." Yet as soon as Obama is elected suddenly everyone cares about deficits (Props to anyone who cared about it before 2008). Also prove to me how raising taxes in the 1990's hurt growth in the 1990's. I'm also for tax reform. I can't tell you which system would work best as I've seen many proposed, but supply-side economics (trickle-down) is the most bullshit system I've ever seen. And again, if raising taxes hurts creating jobs. Why are jobs not being created right now at current tax rates. Bush's tax cuts were all extended for this year. Why is the economy seemingly getting worse?

4) I would quit using the excuse of previous Administration in reference to President Obama. The Democratic Congress for the past 6 years of which President Obama was part of for the first two years is to blame for the other largest debt increase ever. Even the current Administration has stopped hiding behind that old line.

You think the adverse effects of the previous administration disappear overnight? Recoveries take years, not days. If you recall Japan had an entire decade lost because of their inability to take action on their own economy.

5) The only ones that want a balanced budget are the Republicans. They tried to get an amendment done and the Democrats vehemently objected.

Yes, Republicans are the only ones who support a balanced budget. They simply use it for political posturing. They never support any real budget balancing as the necessary tax increases or spending cuts are never made. Its all just gimmicks. In order to truly create a balance budget, either you raise taxes or necessary cuts to entitlements AND the defense budget would have to be made. Being seniors are the ones who vote the most, and Republicans are madly in love with defense spending, NO ONE IS GOING TO MAKE THAT MOVE.
 

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See this link
What Is the Debt of the United States? - mobile wiseGEEK

The Clinton Administration is responsible for a near 25% increase in debt before the Republicans came in

President Bush unitied the parties. Look at the universal tax breaks and resolutions for war

All the evidence show Republicans being willing to compromise as they did with this past weeks resolution. This Democratic Administration has been unwilling to compromise and has said it's my way or the highway

You have 100.00 and the government taxes you more. You have less money to buy or hire. So taxing more does only one thing - discouragement to growth, not encouragement

You are confusing recovery with making things worse. The Republicans changed things in one year. Cant the Dems do it in 6?

We need cuts, not taxes. Defense? Maybe, but that needs to be the very last thing done
All we know is that the Republicans have offered balanced budget proposals and the democrats have prevented them from coming forward
 

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