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I always thought it was amazing that Harding took office in the middle of a recession, and the economy recovered within a year, industry thrived, Coolidge was elected after the apparent bad taste left by the administration's scandals, and we saw some decent things happen during that time. Far more good than bad.

Hoover was the idiot in the bunch, and when I say idiot, I mean total buffoon, he said one thing, did another. This results in uncertainty, and when the markets are uncertain, they struggle.
 

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I always thought it was amazing that Harding took office in the middle of a recession, and the economy recovered within a year, industry thrived, Coolidge was elected after the apparent bad taste left by the administration's scandals, and we saw some decent things happen during that time. Far more good than bad.

Hoover was the idiot in the bunch, and when I say idiot, I mean total buffoon, he said one thing, did another. This results in uncertainty, and when the markets are uncertain, they struggle.

You know, I was going to say there were no recessions during the 20's minus the Post World War I recession, which I thought ended in 1920 before Harding would have been elected. I learned that there were actually 3 recessions in the 1920's.

(From Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_recessions_in_the_United_States)

Depression of 1920–21
The 1921 recession began a mere 10 months after the post-World War I recession, as the economy continued working through the shift to a peacetime economy. The recession was short but extremely painful. The year 1920 was the single most deflationary year in American History; production, however, did not fall as much as might be expected from the deflation. GNP may have declined between 2.5 and 7 percent, even as wholesale prices declined by 36.8%.[26] The economy had a strong recovery following the recession.

1923–24 recession
From the depression of 1920–21 until the Great Depression, an era dubbed the Roaring Twenties, the economy was generally expanding. Industrial production declined in 1923–24, but on the whole this was a mild recession.

1926–27 recession
This was an unusual and mild recession, thought to be caused largely because Henry Ford closed production in his factories for six months to switch from production of the Model T to the Model A. Charles P. Kindleberger says the period from 1925 to the start of the Great Depression is best thought of as a boom, and this minor recession just proof that the boom "was not general, uninterrupted or extensive".
 

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You know, I was going to say there were no recessions during the 20's minus the Post World War I recession, which I thought ended in 1920 before Harding would have been elected. I learned that there were actually 3 recessions in the 1920's.

It depends on which measurement you choose to use, some argue they were far more recessions. Because measuring the GDP isn't perfect because your trade partners may have new conflicts with neighboring nations halfway around the globe, or a major innovation can wipe out old technology. Therefore you use this one measurement, and then use it to blame or praise, it is completely misleading. As I said earlier in this post, oversimplifying something that is extraordinarily complex.

Recessions occur often, and many are completely organic. Some are completely manipulated. We need to allow individuals their economic freedoms to sustain hard times and reinvest in the next generations.
So far, the manipulations that lead to recession have been far more difficult to recover from.

The 20s were great, not perfect, but they displayed a wide range of culture and different ideas making their way around the world. This was an opportunistic time.
 
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The Taliban THEN, and the Taliban now are very different. Maybe I'm just sympathetic, but if I was part of a group that tried hard to protect sanctity of life and culture, but I continues to get attacked for political reasons, eventually the innocence factor wears off, and then I want to attack back.

It's a shame that they were turned to the darkside, so to speak, but we did play a role in inviting that to happen.
 

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The Taliban THEN, and the Taliban now are very different. Maybe I'm just sympathetic, but if I was part of a group that tried hard to protect sanctity of life and culture, but I continues to get attacked for political reasons, eventually the innocence factor wears off, and then I want to attack back.

It's a shame that they were turned to the darkside, so to speak, but we did play a role in inviting that to happen.

When the Russians pulled out of Afghanistan, we Americans stopped caring. Thats what allowed the extremist to then take over. We gave no aid to rebuilding the country after being a part of destroying the country. 13 years later we paid for that result basically (9/11 could have happened anyways, but still we end up in Afghanistan because of our own arrogance and negligence in the first place).
 

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When the Russians pulled out of Afghanistan, we Americans stopped caring. Thats what allowed the extremist to then take over. We gave no aid to rebuilding the country after being a part of destroying the country. 13 years later we paid for that result basically (9/11 could have happened anyways, but still we end up in Afghanistan because of our own arrogance and negligence in the first place).

We started bombing them. :shrug: And we still gave them aid at the same time!
 

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We started bombing them. :shrug: And we still gave them aid at the same time!

Well after 9/11 yes, but in the 1980's we just supplied them with weapons and supplies for the Mujahideen I thought.
 

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Because the term conservative or liberal have lost their meanings, thanks to a great deal of misuse.

What do you mean by conservative. Your definition of it, and not yet another robotic wikipedia entry.

This may surprise you but I don't think I can. It's really issue to issue
 

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Clinton had Bin Laden too

Unlike the Republican administrations, Clinton actually tried to go after Bin Laden. The Republicans were all criticizing him when he wanted to use resources to go after him.
 

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Unlike the Republican administrations, Clinton actually tried to go after Bin Laden. The Republicans were all criticizing him when he wanted to use resources to go after him.

Wrong. He had him and he failed. Revisionist history?
 

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Unlike the Republican administrations, Clinton actually tried to go after Bin Laden. The Republicans were all criticizing him when he wanted to use resources to go after him.

Kinda like when Republicans were bitching about us not helping out Libya recently. Obama then executes some bombing runs on the country, now Republicans hate the idea of helping out Libyan Rebels.

My opinion was and always has been that we should have left Libya alone.
 

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George W. Bush did not give two shits about Bin Laden despite having every reason to. At least Clinton tried to catch the guy before 9/11.
 

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The Tea Party... which, by some association, I guess I am part of, but I am really not one of them.

The Tea Party started as a wake up to the Republican party, remind them to be, in some sense, conservative. Because there hasn't been on republican President in 100 years who has been conservative whatsoever. The closest thing to any form of conservatism we have seen in the White House was ironically, Bill Clinton.

Well, somewhere in the midst of the 2010 elections, votes from both main partys and some of the smaller ones formed many grass roots movements allover the United States. By some media label, they were called the Tea Party. They, as in town-hall like, politically minded people who support every which issue and angle possible in hopes to redefine how we determine the basic structure of the federal government. Some people didn't like the label, some did. Some claim to be Tea Party conservatives when they weren't, ect. It's a mess when you try to apply the label to anything, and if you want to simplify it, you're just being flat out ignorant.

This movement became very catchy and marketable. Therefore the label had a high value of it's own. The establishment saw an opportunity, and they hijacked this movement, to make it their own. Therefore there is no real way to describe what it is, but if you want to call the current Tea Party anything, you can call it the politicians favorite scapegoat.

What it was originally, was a fundraiser that happened on the anniversary of the Boston Tea Party for Ron Paul back in December of 07. This is where more people had financially contributed to an election on a single day, than anytime ever in the history of politics. They didn't raise the most money, but more people had contributed. It ended up being around $6.5 million for the day, and it made such big headlines, that it coined the re-introduction of the ideas of the Tea Party. Then going into the 2010 elections, Ron Paul's son, Rand Paul, turned it into a platform of sorts when he ran against the media's choice, and establishment's choice for Senate. He states that he was supporting the ideas of the contributors of that day, and the movement within. But since then, like I said, the phrase/label/term has been completely hijacked.
Therefore when you hear it used, it's rarely, if ever used in the same context that represents the Boston Tea party, and the original grass roots contributors that made history.


By association, I guess I can be called a Tea Party *insert derogatory phrase here*, but I have my own ideas, and I only side with some conservative ideas, I do not adopt the platform.

Okay that's basically what I was looking for with due to explanations.

Thanks again Crys
 

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Well after 9/11 yes, but in the 1980's we just supplied them with weapons and supplies for the Mujahideen I thought.

Before 9/11, immediately before 9/11, not 1980s. The CIA's 9/11 Commission report has this summarized quite well. But it was also happening around Monica Lewinsky, so it wasn't getting a lot of attention. A cigar was better news than the US bombing Afghanistan. Ironically, like I said, we were giving the same people foreign aid(again, before 9/11.)
 

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George W. Bush did not give two shits about Bin Laden despite having every reason to. At least Clinton tried to catch the guy before 9/11.

If that belief helps you sleep more power to you
 

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That's looking at it from a very skewed and biased Republican view. Put what people say into context.

I'm sorry pot, I'm a truffle deaf in this ear, speak a little louder next time

Die hard liberal eh?
 

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