Draft Targets if the Bears Stay at Pick # 20

[dennehy]

No, I'm arguing the fact you are comparing Ruggs to Waddle.

Now evidently every speed WR is the same.

Got it.

It's a lot like Ruggs vs. Juedy (although these guys are better prospects). One is an absolute home run hitter at the college level, the other is ready for the NFL.

Stop acting like an idiot.

 

[fx1718]

I would do this but I don't think that would be enough to move them 17 spots back. Especially with them only having 1 year of ARob.

You would have to think tagging him would be used as leverage to get a longer contract done.

 

[msadows]

It's a lot like Ruggs vs. Juedy (although these guys are better prospects). One is an absolute home run hitter at the college level, the other is ready for the NFL.

Stop acting like an idiot.

You're the one comparing him to ruggs, not me.

Stop acting like an idiot.

Evidently all speed WR's are now created the same.

 

[Montucky]

Fields will go in the top 5 certainly, but I think Wilson gets out of the top 5. If he does I think you gotta think of making a move to get him. If not then you've got to think of Jones (I don't like Trask), OT/WR, or maybe making small move up for Lance.

So in the 1st round I'm looking at QB/OT/WR.

One other position I would deeply consider is edge. This team struggles to bring pressure.

 

[Clockwork54]

Trask and Jones will be overdrafted. I think Jones will be far better than Trask, IMO. Take a few minutes and look some more at Jones’ tape. His mechanics and placement are elite. I think he has a chance to be a very good QB.

I have watched numerous single game vids of each. I am far more impressed with Trask. I see a lot more of him evading the rush, completing Passes outside the pocket, and making tight window throws. With Mac Jones it is way too easy; he has plenty time to throw, wide open guys, and the running threat of the best RB in college.

I wouldn’t take either in the first; but with Trask I see something I think who could do well in the NFL.

 

[dennehy]

You're the one comparing him to ruggs, not me.

Stop acting like an idiot.

Evidently all speed WR's are now created the same.

I'm not acting like an idiot, I'm trying to get you to understand basic English. And I am failing.

 

[bearsfan1977]

Obviously a lot depends on if Pace is gone. Frankly they are at the point where they need to spend serious draft capital at the QB position, every year if needed, until that position finally gets figured out. Draft Jones, play him next year. See what you have. If he falls flat, use another 1st round pick on QB next year. Then they have 2 QBs on their rookie deals.

 

[msadows]

I'm not acting like an idiot, I'm trying to get you to understand basic English. And I am failing.

Might as well compare him to darrius heyward-bey while you're at it.

Evidently all "home run threats" are the same.

 

[msadows]

Obviously a lot depends on if Pace is gone. Frankly they are at the point where they need to spend serious draft capital at the QB position, every year if needed, until that position finally gets figured out. Draft Jones, play him next year. See what you have. If he falls flat, use another 1st round pick on QB next year. Then they have 2 QBs on their rookie deals.

Yep.

Should have done it when pace was here, since, you know, he told us he would.

 

[Nelly]

Do we really want to draft a QB to throw in the fire behind a line that, although did better to close the year, still needs a lot of work? This team is also near cap hell.

I would spend this next year doing something of a reset like the Dolphins did a couple years ago. Trade the high priced vets that can still play a bit (Hicks, Fuller and Mac namely, Quinn of course if someone is stupid enough to take him) for future picks and just work on building the lines and stocking the pipeline with some talent. A stud tackle would be #1 on the priority list followed by plenty of need at CB, OLB, DL, S, WR and TE. Have Nick Foles pilot the ship to a top 5 pick then grab your stud QB in the 2022 draft, hoping to be able to put together a team that can compete in 2022.

 

[dennehy]

Might as well compare him to darrius heyward-bey while you're at it.

Evidently all "home run threats" are the same.

Well at least now I know that you see your error and are just trolling.

Enjoy.

 

[msadows]

Do we really want to draft a QB to throw in the fire behind a line that, although did better to close the year, still needs a lot of work? This team is also near cap hell.

I would spend this next year doing something of a reset like the Dolphins did a couple years ago. Trade the high priced vets that can still play a bit (Hicks, Fuller and Mac namely, Quinn of course if someone is stupid enough to take him) for future picks and just work on building the lines and stocking the pipeline with some talent. A stud tackle would be #1 on the priority list followed by plenty of need at CB, OLB, DL, S, WR and TE. Send Nick Foles to the slaughterhouse next season en route to a top 5 pick then grab your stud QB hoping to be able to put together a team that can compete in 2021.

Not drafting a QB this year only sets the rebuild back a year.

Just because you draft a qb in the first doesn't mean you have to march him out there week 1.

 

[msadows]

Well at least now I know that you see your error and are just trolling.

Enjoy.

What error? I'm not the one who compared Waddle to Ruggs just because they are both fast.

Evidently you watched both but can't tell the difference between home run threats. They must be all the same to you.

 

[bearsfan1977]

I have watched numerous single game vids of each. I am far more impressed with Trask. I see a lot more of him evading the rush, completing Passes outside the pocket, and making tight window throws. With Mac Jones it is way too easy; he has plenty time to throw, wide open guys, and the running threat of the best RB in college.

I wouldn’t take either in the first; but with Trask I see something I think who could do well in the NFL.

Living in SEC country, I disagree. Jones’ recognition and ability to foretell where each target is going to be is next-level. He throws the ball exactly where it needs to be (often before the WR even thinks about coming out of his break) at all levels of the field. Yes, he has weapons. So did Burrow. But his WRs aren’t always creating 5 yards of separation. Accuracy is accuracy.

 

[dennehy]

What error? I'm not the one who compared Waddle to Ruggs just because they are both fast.

Evidently you watched both but can't tell the difference between home run threats. They must be all the same to you.

x:y = a:b is not a comparison.

Please tell me you understand this or I will feel very sad for the future of humans.

 

[Nelly]

Not drafting a QB this year only sets the rebuild back a year.

Just because you draft a qb in the first doesn't mean you have to march him out there week 1.

The days of sitting a QB are done. If you're drafting a QB in the first then you're looking for him to play immediately, pretty much. That's fine but is this team one ready to compete for a superbowl with a rookie QB? Nope. We're a ~.500 team with a maxed out cap and a lot of holes that needs to be filled. It seems like we have two options:

1. Keep the .500 team on life support by some cap and free agent sleight of hand
2. Burn it down a little bit to position yourself better for 2 years down the road

I have no problem grabbing a QB, I just don't think I'd invest a first. Maybe grab some talent you think can be mainstays on the line and/or somewhere else in rounds 1 and 2 then grab a guy like Purdy in the 3rd with the intention of being a backup and developing on the off chance he can become something of a poor man's Drew Brees. It wouldn't preclude you from taking a QB the following year if you indeed tank hard and end up in the top 5.

 

[Toast88]

I'll admit that I'm not nearly as good as many of you at actually analyzing the details of prospects, but it seems to me that lately, a large predictor for whether a prospect might be a good pro is whether they were a good college player.

This may seem to be a dumb observation, but it does seem more true in recent years than in past years, probably due to pro offensive minds being more willing to change to play to incoming players' strengths and incorporate more college-style offenses.

So suddenly we're seeing an influx of athletic players who maybe don't have what's seen as a pure pro skillset having good starts to their NFL careers.

The last six Heisman winners are:
Devonta Smith
Joe Burrow
Kyler Murray
Baker Mayfield
Lamar Jackson
Derrick Henry

All were killers in college, and with the pending exception of Smith, hit the ground running in the pros, at least for the most part.

The previous seven Heisman winners were:
Marcus Mariota
Jameis Winston
Johnny Manziel
Robert Griffin III
Cam Newton
Mark Ingram
Sam Bradford

All were killers in college, but almost none saw major success at the pro level.

Times, they are a-changing.

Could you find guys who were great in college recently, but sucked in the pros? No doubt. How about guys who were just O.K.-to-good in college, but are great pros? Sure. But we're talking about general trends, not fool-proof methods without exceptions.

Point being:

Don't get too cute. Find the guys who kicked ass in college, and draft them.

 

[NCChiFan]

The days of sitting a QB are done. If you're drafting a QB in the first then you're looking for him to play immediately, pretty much. That's fine but is this team one ready to compete for a superbowl with a rookie QB? Nope. We're a ~.500 team with a maxed out cap and a lot of holes that needs to be filled. It seems like we have two options:

1. Keep the .500 team on life support by some cap and free agent sleight of hand
2. Burn it down a little bit to position yourself better for 2 years down the road

I have no problem grabbing a QB, I just don't think I'd invest a first. Maybe grab some talent you think can be mainstays on the line and/or somewhere else in rounds 1 and 2 then grab a guy like Purdy in the 3rd with the intention of being a backup and developing on the off chance he can become something of a poor man's Drew Brees. It wouldn't preclude you from taking a QB the following year if you indeed tank hard and end up in the top 5.

Unless of course, you're Greenbay and have an all world QB already. >mutters<

 

[10veitout]

No, I'm not, the rams just trade up from 15 to 1.

You might have to throw in another 3rd rounder or 2nd rounder next year, but Arob essentially equates a 1st/2nd rounder.

No, he doesn't. Noone is going to treat Robinson like a 1st rounder, considering they have to pay him right after.

 

[Nelly]

Unless of course, you're Greenbay and have an all world QB already. >mutters<

That while a while ago, and yes, GB is in a spot of luxury where they could take a QB in the first and sit him for a number of years and still be the best team in the NFC. That's why I wouldn't be opposed to taking a QB with a 2nd or 3rd this year and then one in the first next year. If you're going to overload your team with talent at any position is might as well be QB. Take as many shots as needed to get it right and have options behind the starter to keep him motivated, unlike what we did with Trubisky.