Draft Targets if the Bears Stay at Pick # 20

[Chicago4Life]

I've been saying for a while tho that I'd franchise Arob and then trade #20 + next years first for #3 overall and then take zack wilson.

The dolphins need a WR for Tua.

lol so if your the GM of the dolphins you'd do that trade? Also the dolphins have 4 picks in the top 50
give up the 3rd pick, get #20 and then have to pay robinson top 5 WR money especially when they arent flush with cap space?

or use 2 of your top 50 picks and draft some combo of smith/chase/marshall/olave to pair with parker and grant. Giving robinson top 5 WR money doesnt make him one...I dont think Grier is ryan pace levels of dumb.

 

[msadows]

No, he doesn't. Noone is going to treat Robinson like a 1st rounder, considering they have to pay him right after.

Uhh, it happens all the time. Like I said, he might not be treated like a first rounder, but 2nd is not out of the question.

 

[msadows]

lol so if your the GM of the dolphins you'd do that trade? Also the dolphins have 4 picks in the top 50
give up the 3rd pick, get #20 and then have to pay robinson top 5 WR money especially when they arent flush with cap space?

or use 2 of your top 50 picks and draft some combo of smith/chase/marshall/olave to pair with parker and grant. Giving robinson top 5 WR money doesnt make him one...I dont think Grier is ryan pace levels of dumb.

One is a sure thing, the draft is a crapshoot.

Also, the dolphins have plenty of cap space compared to other teams in the NFL.

 

[Clockwork54]

Living in SEC country, I disagree. Jones’ recognition and ability to foretell where each target is going to be is next-level. He throws the ball exactly where it needs to be (often before the WR even thinks about coming out of his break) at all levels of the field. Yes, he has weapons. So did Burrow. But his WRs aren’t always creating 5 yards of separation. Accuracy is accuracy.

Accuracy is accuracy? nope; pressure, having to reset your feet, throwing on the run, etc can drastically affect your accuracy.

Stop bringing up Joe Burrow; he had the greatest passing season in CFB history. He has much more physical tools, and he was elite throwing on the run. He checked all the boxes.

with Mac Jones and Kyle Trask is very simple they are both physically limited. So what I look for is footwork under pressure, pocket presence, vision and accuracy. With Jones there is not enough to determine any of that. I am not convinced by Trask either, but at least I see some tape.

 

[msadows]

Accuracy is accuracy? nope; pressure, having to reset your feet, throwing on the run, etc can drastically affect your accuracy.

Stop bringing up Joe Burrow; he had the greatest passing season in CFB history. He has much more physical tools, and he was elite throwing on the run. He checked all the boxes.

with Mac Jones and Kyle Trask is very simple they are both physically limited. So what I look for is footwork under pressure, pocket presence, vision and accuracy. With Jones there is not enough to determine any of that. I am not convinced by Trask either, but at least I see some tape.

I'm not convinced by either and wouldn't want either at #20. If we can get one of the two in the 2nd round, even if its via a minor trade up, then it would be best case scenario for me.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

You might get a higher comp pick for Robinson than you'd actually get in a trade. Robinson isn't on Diggs or DeAndre Hopkins level and won't get near what those guys brought back

 

[Chicago4Life]

One is a sure thing, the draft is a crapshoot.

Also, the dolphins have plenty of cap space compared to other teams in the NFL.

so then if your the GM of the dolphins you do that? dolphins have cap space, i said they arent flush with it. Overpaying guys is how you get into cap trouble.

 

[Montucky]

You might get a higher comp pick for Robinson than you'd actually get in a trade. Robinson isn't on Diggs or DeAndre Hopkins level and won't get near what those guys brought back

He's not Hopkins level but he probably is Diggs level. Astute general managers will see that. However due to the stink of being in Chicago for three years the Bears are probably looking at something more like a mid/early second round pick as opposed to a late-first rounder.

 

[Montucky]

so then if your the GM of the dolphins you do that? dolphins have cap space, i said they arent flush with it. Overpaying guys is how you get into cap trouble.

Overpaying is part of the peril of NFL free agency. If you dont ever overpay because you are worried aboutgetting stuck with Robert Quinn you wind up like the Packers did for their mid-decade slump. Elite talent doesn't come at a bargain once it hits the open market, but unless you are a team particularly flush in draft capital free agency is really the only way to solve multiple roster problems with potentially major upgrades.

 

[msadows]

You might get a higher comp pick for Robinson than you'd actually get in a trade. Robinson isn't on Diggs or DeAndre Hopkins level and won't get near what those guys brought back

Like I said, he's probably equal to a 2nd round pick.

To move from 15 to the 1st pick the rams gave up two firsts, two seconds and two 3rds, but they also got back a 4th and 6th.

It would cost less to move up from 20 to 3, considerably. Two firsts and 2 seconds probably gets it done.

The arob idea was just that, an idea. The dolphins only really have one weapon for Tua. They could use arob for sure.

 

[Chicago4Life]

Overpaying is part of the peril of NFL free agency. If you dont ever overpay because you are worried aboutgetting stuck with Robert Quinn you wind up like the Packers did for their mid-decade slump. Elite talent doesn't come at a bargain once it hits the open market, but unless you are a team particularly flush in draft capital free agency is really the only way to solve multiple roster problems with potentially major upgrades.

overpaying for elite talent is one thing but to overpay for someone who think he's elite is another

 

[msadows]

Overpaying is part of the peril of NFL free agency. If you dont ever overpay because you are worried aboutgetting stuck with Robert Quinn you wind up like the Packers did for their mid-decade slump. Elite talent doesn't come at a bargain once it hits the open market, but unless you are a team particularly flush in draft capital free agency is really the only way to solve multiple roster problems with potentially major upgrades.

There is also no guarantees he comes to the dolphins if he hits FA.

If you trade for the guy via tag you at least get to entice him to stay in florida again.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

He's not Hopkins level but he probably is Diggs level. Astute general managers will see that. However due to the stink of being in Chicago for three years the Bears are probably looking at something more like a mid/early second round pick as opposed to a late-first rounder.

Hes not Diggs level. While Robinson is an elite route runner, Diggs is the best route runner. Diggs also has explosive speed.

 

[msadows]

overpaying for elite talent is one thing but to overpay for someone who think he's elite is another

Arob is elite. Quinn is not. Thats the difference I guess.

 

[msadows]

Hes not Diggs level. While Robinson is an elite route runner, Diggs is the best route runner. Diggs also has explosive speed.

Is he not?

Funny what happens to a WR when he gets a good qb finally. What did diggs do before this year to make him better than arob?

 

[dennehy]

Robinson probably won't draw too high a pick simply because tag and trade limits his value (he's a UFA otherwise) and you're looking at an immediate investment of probably $45mil guaranteed right off the bat. You might be able to get someone like the Jets to give you #66 because they have lots of picks and cap space and would probably like a vet WR for their rookie QB. But I think that's about the best you'll do.

 

[Chris Sojka]

LT then Best WR.

People so far have 5 QBs 5 OTs and 5edge rushers 3 WRs and 3 Cornerbacks going in the top 15.

someone is dropping.

 

[Montucky]

overpaying for elite talent is one thing but to overpay for someone who think he's elite is another

Like I said, that's part of the peril. There's usually only two or three elite guys regardless of position who hit the market every year, the rest is just a gamble.

 

[msadows]

LT then Best WR.

People so far have 5 QBs 5 OTs and 5edge rushers 3 WRs and 3 Cornerbacks going in the top 15.

someone is dropping.

Knowing the bears we gonna take Kyle Pitts to replace Jimmy Graham.

 

[Discus fish salesman]

Is he not?

Funny what happens to a WR when he gets a good qb finally. What did diggs do before this year to make him better than arob?

Diggs put up similar numbers to Robinson the last couple years on a run first offense with another 1a threat at wr and bad qb play.

Robinsons numbers aren't getting better in a good offense. Ball will be spread around more and he won't have trubisky throwing to him regardless of coverage