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I don't really see a case AGAINST Melo other then he has STAT on his team. Which is a ridiculous excuse for not being in the MVP running.
Rose wins the MVP last year, and everyone is now ready to crown him the MVP this season. One little ranking by ESPN, and everyone is acting like the Bulls season is over. Take your blinders off guys, there's better players then Rose in the NBA.
Rose wins the MVP last year, and everyone is now ready to crown him the MVP this season. One little ranking by ESPN, and everyone is acting like the Bulls season is over. Take your blinders off guys, there's better players then Rose in the NBA.
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cmon its espn what do you expect
and the bolded statement actually justifies randolph being tied with rose in the projected mvp voting more than anything(i disagree completely with that..but its just a projection)
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his D sucks
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Meh. That's been a knock on Melo for a long time. He really isn't a horrible defender.
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its partly effort....if he was more committed i think he'd be ok...
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It seems to me that the main reason rose won the mvp was not to his statistics, or being the best player in the league. It was due to him leading the bulls to the best record in the league with noah and boozer missing a lot of games. James had the better stats and his team had the second best record in the league.
Lebron james won his first mvp mainly due to the cavs overachieving. I believe tim duncan should've won it.
Nash won his first mvp mainly due to the suns record with amare stoudemire missing the whole season. Shaq souldve won
On the flip side. When Scottie Pippen led the bulls to 55 games, the best he could do was finish third in the mvp voting.
There's no doubt in my mind that if the same criteria that's used now was applied in 94, which would be leading your team to overachieving drastically, pippen would've won the mvp.
I think voters tend to look at situations more. As opposed to the best player with the combination of stats, record and stature.
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Carmelo is not one of them. His team is not better, nor is he more instrumental to his team's success than Rose is for his.
I don't care what criteria you are using for MVP- Rose is flat-out a better candidate than 'Melo.
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perhaps he technically had the better season because he led the bulls to a great season averaging 25 and 8 with key players being injured
plus its hard to exactly know what these voters are thinking..i dont think there's been a shift in criteria...i think they just look year to year at team records, player production,etc.
08-09? what?
he wasnt even on the NBA 1st team...lebron was the best player that year...wade might have an argument...
again?what?
i think nash might have had the biggest impact and arguably one of the best seasons that year...i think part of the criteria is team success(but look at the last 20 years, that hasnt changed at all)
kobe should have won it that year
two words..hakeem olajuwon...btw he was pretty much doing more with less as well..hakeem deserved mvp that year
conversely..if the mvp was given to the best player in the league every year...mj would have like 10 straight
i think its more about the competition than the criteria...rose wasnt competing for mvp against someone like olajuwon(lebron?ehh)
again...jordan would have like 10 if that were the case...the criteria hasnt changed
it has to do a little bit with the competition for MVP...
i think these last couple of seasons are setting a false precedent
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He is a mediocre man-to-man defender and plays zero team defense. George Karl wasn't a big fan of that.
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If we are going by the criteria of 'the best player selected from a group of really great teams' as the MVP- 'Melo has ZERO business being projected above or equal to Rose.
If we are going by the criteria of 'player who's team would tank the most if he was not there' as the MVP- 'Melo still has no business being projected above or equal to Rose.
If we are going by the criteria of 'player who's team would tank the most if he was not there' as the MVP- 'Melo still has no business being projected above or equal to Rose.
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"When we decided to come together our Most Valuable Player chances kind of went out the window."
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well, thats his opinion and perspective...
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He also blamed bias and racism too...care to argue those points?
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The fact that Pippen was brought into this argument is baffling. If you put together the top 10 all time MVP snubs, Pippen isn't in the conversation.
Enough is enough...for crying out loud...
Enough is enough...for crying out loud...
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Shut your lying whore mouth.zack54attack said:
We don't know that yet because the season is all of 4 games old. if the Knicks end up really fucking good and Melo is THE guy a lot of the time or his the guy hitting big shots closing games being a killer etc of course he is an MVP candidate..and perhaps a better one than Rose depending on what the Bulls and Rose do.
Again, quit being an ass hurt ***** over this.
LOL at Melo's defense coming up. I forgot what a stalwart defender Rose was last season.
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He accused fans in general of being biased and racist. It wasn't in the context of MVP award selection.
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I don't think that there are many people in this group that are dumb enough to believe Rose is the best player in the NBA. That was never what this argument was about because the MVP award is not necessarily given to the best players anyway.
Based off of last season, the media has little-to-no business projecting Anthony in front of Derrick Rose. Rose, in pretty much every interpretation of the basis for the award, was more deserving than Anthony - and not just because Anthony played on two different teams. If he had not have been traded, Anthony still would not have been in the discussion for the award. If he played on the Knicks the entire year then he still would not have been.
The Bulls depend on Rose as being the only guy on the team who can create his own shot effectively. Anthony is not.
The Bulls depend on Rose as the only facilitator offensively who was exceptional. Anthony sometimes gave up the ball, but not as often or as effectively as Derrick Rose.
The Knicks' offense was less dependent on Anthony's floor presence, on any given night, than the Bulls' offense was upon Derrick Rose.
"Perhaps a better" MVP candidate? Even if that is true, they have little argument to make for that as being true. Yes, if I need a game-winning shot in one possession, I would rather have Anthony take the shot. However, Anthony has a very head-scratching shot-selection and he never gives up the ball in clutch situations. Rose is much more capable of that as it is. There is a very good case that Rose is even more clutch than Anthony is.
The Knicks are pretty much as good of a rebounding/defensive team without Anthony on the floor. Same story with the Bulls basically. That is not the difference between them from a value perspective.