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ya i pointed that out....wouldnt count garnett..duncan a tough call...same with kobe and dirk
ya i pointed that out....wouldnt count garnett..duncan a tough call...same with kobe and dirk
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Garnett is odd. That was Cassell's peak season in the NBA and Spreewell was still areally good player at the time. I waffeled on that one.
Duncan is odd to. The first one I lean more towrds "one man bandish" the second with Tony Parker stepping into the elite PG realm I'm more inclined he belongs on this list. I guess call it a split.
Dirk I'm inclined to Keep. he also had a 32 year old Jerry Stackhouse coming off the bench that season. Plus that was one of Howards best seasons in the NBA and kind vaulted him into the "next big thing" covnersation.
Kobe inclinded to keep as well. Odom has been an upper tier player his whole career never the super star I thought he would/could be but a much more skilled cool headed Rasheed Wallace from a talent/expectations standpoint. Couple that with an emerging Bynum then adding Gasol for around a third of the season I think he needs to belong.
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well, i'm looking at which guys shared the ball with what i would consider "superstars" cassell and sprewell were a good supporting cast...but kevin was far and away the best player on that team..there was no ray allen or pierce
gasol can probably be considered a star or superstar
duncan had a good supporting cast but he was the dominant player on those early 2000s teams...robinson was declining parker was rising ginobli wasnt doing much(though he didnt even come until 2002-2003)
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My point is that both LeBron and Wade are candidates. How are they most valuable?
It's not that you can't have more than one good player or very good player. But two players on one team fighting for MVP is stupid.
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Also: both Wade and Lebron like to have the ball in their hands.
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The criteria for mvp has changed since nash won. It used to be the best player on the best team record wise. Now its the best player that done the most with the least.
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Co-MVP.
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well no. The second MVP Nash won, the Suns had the 3rd best record in the league.
and I still don't know how Nash won the first one. Yeah he put up decent numbers [15/11] but they weren't "MVP numbers." Amar'e that season put up 26/9, Marion put up 19/11, Joe Johnson had 17/5, and they had Q richardson with 15 a game.
Yeah he was valuable cuz he ran the offense. but damn.. those guys were good.
I thought Wade should have won it that year.
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well at least they got knocked out in the WCF by a good spurs team. no shame in that
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i'm still surprised they didnt even get to the finals with those really good teams in the mid 2000s...and then shaq came in and everything fell apart(it wasnt all shaq's fault but that trade symbolized the beginning of the end for that dynasty)
you are right..it was a bit unconventional for them to be with the spurs who are basically their kryptonite(they did beat the spurs in the 2010 playoffs though)
idk if d'antoni's style is really suited for the playoffs..perhaps it has more to do with the players he surrounds himself with..probably both
you are right..it was a bit unconventional for them to be with the spurs who are basically their kryptonite(they did beat the spurs in the 2010 playoffs though)
idk if d'antoni's style is really suited for the playoffs..perhaps it has more to do with the players he surrounds himself with..probably both
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I'm just waiting for one person to explain to me why
Zach Randolph
Carmelo Anthony
or Blake Griffin
could be projected as ahead of Derrick Rose. I honestly want to hear a solid defense of that projection.
Zach Randolph
Carmelo Anthony
or Blake Griffin
could be projected as ahead of Derrick Rose. I honestly want to hear a solid defense of that projection.
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The criteria changed before Nash won...the criteria changed in 1980 when the writers started voting for MVP...not when Nash won the MVP.
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There isn't one. Melo is probably the closest, but still not close.
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And Kobe Bryant should be ahead of those guys, too. And arguably Pau Gasol.
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I don't see Z-bo or Blake winning the MVP. if it was anyone from the Clippers, I would think it would be paul. I can't see Randolph winning it at all.
Melo, I can see. The knicks can win more games than the Bulls. If they finish in 2nd place in the EC, and Melo puts up huge numbers... he'd be over Rose in MVP voting.
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Because perhaps they feel at the end of the year that when they look at it ZBo, with less help than Rose has will be "more valuable" to Memphis doing really well in the West.
Maybe they feel Anothony will explode this year with Dantoni and put the Knicks over the top to a Top 3 seed in the East.
Perhaps they feel Blake Griffin will elevate his game even more. Become a more complete player and dominate the WC from the PF position as LAC moves to the top of the WC.
Ask the people who projected them there and quit being so ass hurt over Rose being "disrespected".
No one here can speak for ESPN's reasoning. There are some maybe slight cases to be made but in the end it's "projections" 3 games into the fucking season that noone here made and as such I can't see anyone who has agreed with ESPN's order of those guys, why would you expect anyone here to defend them then? Would I rate them ahead? No. Could I make cases for them maybe being MVP candiates in general? Yes. It's reading tea leaves wild speculation and guesses. Quit being such a ***** about it.
You're a woman.
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lolwut
there hasnt been any actual change in the criteria...its just a product of guys like rose and nowitzki getting the MVP
it seems like its setting a precedent...even though it means nothing
a guy like lebron who plays with wade or bosh could easily still win MVP if he has a great season...or continues to
i'll think it'll be durant though
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And ESPN guys like to throw out crazy predictions so that they look like geniuses if they get it right. I can understand Rose not winning it this year, but having Randolph ahead of Rose is a little crazy. Blake Griffin is bound to have a better year with Paul there and Melo is going to be good as he always is.
It's also pretty crazy to try to predict who will be the best player of the year when only 4 or 5 games have been played by each team.
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ESPN's doing their job right...forming their own opinions and creating discussion over them..