Former Bears Coach Says Fields was "Really hard to Watch"

[dbldrew]

@run and shoot

Year 4 and same problems with fields..

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"I think if you go to training camp, one thing I would watch is seven shots and I would watch how Justin Fields processes the game. I think that right now he's still working on processing the game more quickly, knowing his reads, getting to those reads more quickly. I think that just the speed of the game is definitely affecting him at this point. Now, that could change once they put on pads"

Cant put the blame of Fields being slow to process on Getsy anymore..

 

[run and shoot]

"....he has shown that for 3 years"
-dbldrew
Yeah....there was the over thinking situation and JF brought it up when asked about the
coaches / getsy. Orovsky alluded to it as well. JF has only been a full-time, starter for 2 yrs.
-R&S

JF suffered through piss poor coaching with the Bears
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"Already addressed your int point.. his TD are super low along with his yards, so yeah if he can't read a D and refuses to throw the ball then everything will be low just like what his stats show.

Besides you would have to completely ignore all the examples of him having a wife open guy and not having a clue what was going on and refusing to throw it. Also Mahomes had 11 INT so are you trying to say that Fields can read a D better then Mahomes? Lol "

-dbldrew



You're purposely misinterpreting and redirecting my point about ints. I said if a Qb is consistently passing for more Td's than ints.....then he's reading D. If the pocket is bad then ya don't wanna just throw the ball up for grabs (bagINT). It doesn't matter how low his Td's are....he's read the D well enough not to throw more ints than Td's. The yards mean little. The yards are an indication of the play call and design , JF didn't call and design the plays (that person was fired)

You brought up Mahomes to refute me....SMH. That was weird and outta place. Actually Mahomes
proves my point he's always thrown about double + the Td's vs ints in his career except in 2023.
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Justing Fields is not smart enough to play the position,
-dbldrew

SMH, and this is what I mean about back in the day. You finally said it. wow. Go back and watch the JT footage. He disagress. I gotta go for now.

Throwing for "more" TD vs INT is irrelevant, Mitch has a 72td 48int career so he meets your "more" TD threshold and nobody would ever say that Mitch was good at reading a D.

Actually looking at the tape tells what kind of QB you have, is the QB processing correctly what is happening based on what the D is doing? In Fields case that answer is no he is not. Just like with Mitch.

Some of the worst QBs managed to throw for "more" TD then INT.. it's a made up threshold that you created to convince yourself that Fields is not the problem.

You pointing to the OL or the OC is not an excuse for the weakness that Fields has, his brain is not fast enough to be a NFL QB.

"Some of the worst QBs managed to throw for "more" TD then INT.. it's a made up threshold that you created to convince yourself that Fields is not the problem."
-dbldrew

Name 5-6 of them. yeah cutler was bad w-l 74-79-0


"He is still young, and has plenty of time to develop. Steelers insider Mike DeFabo recently made a radio appearance"
-SteelerNation.com

"Fields has some developing to do, and learning behind Wilson could be what is best for his career at the moment."
-SteelerNation.com

It's important to note that these observations come from minicamp and organized team activities. This is when the offense is just getting installed, and players aren't in full pads. It's hard to take anything too seriously that comes out from these practices, as they aren't anywhere close to what goes on at training camp.

-SteelerNation.com

 

[UChiLAbear]

@run and shoot

Year 4 and same problems with fields..

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"I think if you go to training camp, one thing I would watch is seven shots and I would watch how Justin Fields processes the game. I think that right now he's still working on processing the game more quickly, knowing his reads, getting to those reads more quickly. I think that just the speed of the game is definitely affecting him at this point. Now, that could change once they put on pads"

Cant put the blame of Fields being slow to process on Getsy anymore..

Getsy, partially the O-line, naggy-ass, Fields' lack of awareness....it ALL led up to an unfortunate "Perfect Storm" of failure.

 

[dbldrew]

"Some of the worst QBs managed to throw for "more" TD then INT.. it's a made up threshold that you created to convince yourself that Fields is not the problem."
-dbldrew

Name 5-6 of them. yeah cutler was bad w-l 74-79-0


"He is still young, and has plenty of time to develop. Steelers insider Mike DeFabo recently made a radio appearance"
-SteelerNation.com

"Fields has some developing to do, and learning behind Wilson could be what is best for his career at the moment."
-SteelerNation.com

It's important to note that these observations come from minicamp and organized team activities. This is when the offense is just getting installed, and players aren't in full pads. It's hard to take anything too seriously that comes out from these practices, as they aren't anywhere close to what goes on at training camp.

-SteelerNation.com

well in 2023 we have the following QBs who have thrown more TD then INT..

Zach Wilson
Kenny Pickett
Tyrod Taylor
Taylor Heinicke
Mason Rudolph
Jarrett Stidham

Pretty crappy list there for your threshold that you think makes Fields a good option.. And thats just 1 year of bad QBs that surpassed your criteria..

 

[truthbedamned]

Can someone kill this thread? These two dipshits will be arguing for the next 5 years.

 

[dbldrew]

Can someone kill this thread? These two dipshits will be arguing for the next 5 years.

How dumb are you to come into a thread that you don't want to take part of? Are you ready that stupid that you need a mod to kill it to protect yourself from reading it?

Jesus go outside or something

 

[run and shoot]

Can someone kill this thread? These two dipshits will be arguing for the next 5 years.

obviously it's that time of the month for you. Here take this and get lost.

 

[run and shoot]

"Some of the worst QBs managed to throw for "more" TD then INT.. it's a made up threshold that you created to convince yourself that Fields is not the problem."
-dbldrew

Name 5-6 of them. yeah cutler was bad w-l 74-79-0


"He is still young, and has plenty of time to develop. Steelers insider Mike DeFabo recently made a radio appearance"
-SteelerNation.com

"Fields has some developing to do, and learning behind Wilson could be what is best for his career at the moment."
-SteelerNation.com

It's important to note that these observations come from minicamp and organized team activities. This is when the offense is just getting installed, and players aren't in full pads. It's hard to take anything too seriously that comes out from these practices, as they aren't anywhere close to what goes on at training camp.

-SteelerNation.com

well in 2023 we have the following QBs who have thrown more TD then INT..

Zach Wilson
Kenny Pickett
Tyrod Taylor
Taylor Heinicke
Mason Rudolph
Jarrett Stidham

Pretty crappy list there for your threshold that you think makes Fields a good option.. And thats just 1 year of bad QBs that surpassed your criteria..

Not throwing picks is the first step to reading D....then ya look at other factors i.e. surrounding talent, play calling, play design, offensive in game adjustments, pass pro just to name a few.
They got rid of the OC in Pittsburgh and brought in A. Smith.

You avoided the above quotes from SteelerNation.com. And you haven't looked at the JT time stamps I provided below
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#435

@30:33.....JT is breaking down the awful pass pro.
I'll come back to other parts of the vid.

@33:53....bad play design. Next...@34:22...ya can't have 3 wr's in the same area @35:17 more bad pass pro @37:44...anticipation / processing even as again...... the pass pro breaks down LG
@45:46 I would've whipped this side arm or put a downward trajectory on the ball into the body of the wr @47:13 "clown show" pass pro @48:52 watch the break down of the awful pass pro

 

[dbldrew]

Not throwing picks is the first step to reading D....then ya look at other factors i.e. surrounding talent, play calling, play design, offensive in game adjustments, pass pro just to name a few.
They got rid of the OC in Pittsburgh and brought in A. Smith.

You avoided the above quotes from SteelerNation.com. And you haven't looked at the JT time stamps I provided below
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#435

@30:33.....JT is breaking down the awful pass pro.
I'll come back to other parts of the vid.

@33:53....bad play design. Next...@34:22...ya can't have 3 wr's in the same area @35:17 more bad pass pro @37:44...anticipation / processing even as again...... the pass pro breaks down LG
@45:46 I would've whipped this side arm or put a downward trajectory on the ball into the body of the wr @47:13 "clown show" pass pro @48:52 watch the break down of the awful pass pro

So this list..

Zach Wilson
Kenny Pickett
Tyrod Taylor
Taylor Heinicke
Mason Rudolph
Jarrett StdIham

All didn't throw a lot of INT and also threw for more TD so all good candidates to build around for a Superbowl contender?

The tape doesn't lie, when you apply my criteria of actually looking at what they are doing that whole list is garbage, just like Fields.

The rest of the Steelers article is 100% speculation, and completely meaningless, what we know for a fact as he was slow to process on College, slow to process with Nagy, slow to process with Getsy and also slow to process with the Steelers.

The video with JT has nothing to do with Fields being slow to process, if the pass pro breaks down that doesn't cause Fields to be slow, if anything a continuous bad pass pro should have the opposite affect and artificially increase the clock in his head so he is going to fast.. that's not his issue, he just is slow to identify what's happening and he is late to come off a route, or late to throw it etc..

So your JT video is not an excuse for Fields being slow to process and is just an attempt to shift the blame

 

[dbldrew]

obviously it's that time of the month for you. Here take this and get lost.
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The trolls seeing us having a football debate where we do not agree but we don't break down into insults with each other seems to make them really mad for some strange reason.

 

[run and shoot]

Not throwing picks is the first step to reading D....then ya look at other factors i.e. surrounding talent, play calling, play design, offensive in game adjustments, pass pro just to name a few.
They got rid of the OC in Pittsburgh and brought in A. Smith.

You avoided the above quotes from SteelerNation.com. And you haven't looked at the JT time stamps I provided below
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#435

@30:33.....JT is breaking down the awful pass pro.
I'll come back to other parts of the vid.

@33:53....bad play design. Next...@34:22...ya can't have 3 wr's in the same area @35:17 more bad pass pro @37:44...anticipation / processing even as again...... the pass pro breaks down LG
@45:46 I would've whipped this side arm or put a downward trajectory on the ball into the body of the wr @47:13 "clown show" pass pro @48:52 watch the break down of the awful pass pro

So this list..

Zach Wilson
Kenny Pickett
Tyrod Taylor
Taylor Heinicke
Mason Rudolph
Jarrett StdIham

All didn't throw a lot of INT and also threw for more TD so all good candidates to build around for a Superbowl contender?

The tape doesn't lie, when you apply my criteria of actually looking at what they are doing that whole list is garbage, just like Fields.

The rest of the Steelers article is 100% speculation, and completely meaningless, what we know for a fact as he was slow to process on College, slow to process with Nagy, slow to process with Getsy and also slow to process with the Steelers.

The video with JT has nothing to do with Fields being slow to process, if the pass pro breaks down that doesn't cause Fields to be slow, if anything a continuous bad pass pro should have the opposite affect and artificially increase the clock in his head so he is going to fast.. that's not his issue, he just is slow to identify what's happening and he is late to come off a route, or late to throw it etc..

So your JT video is not an excuse for Fields being slow to process and is just an attempt to shift the blame

"All didn't throw a lot of INT and also threw for more TD so all good candidates to build around for a Superbowl contender?"
-@dbldrew
I never said SB. Here's what I said......."Not throwing picks is the first step to reading D....then ya look at other factors i.e. surrounding talent, play calling, play design, offensive in game adjustments, pass pro just to name a few."
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"The rest of the Steelers article is 100% speculation, and completely meaningless, what we know for a fact as he was slow to process on College, slow to process with Nagy, slow to process with Getsy and also slow to process with the Steelers."
-dbldrew


#441

You provided the Steeler article and I quoted it here in link #442 and now u say......
"The rest of the Steelers article is 100% speculation, and completely meaningless...."
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"The video with JT has nothing to do with Fields being slow to process,"
-dbldrew

Please provide the time stamp. Processing is key in the majority of the JT video

 

[dbldrew]

"All didn't throw a lot of INT and also threw for more TD so all good candidates to build around for a Superbowl contender?"
-@dbldrew
I never said SB. Here's what I said......."Not throwing picks is the first step to reading D....then ya look at other factors i.e. surrounding talent, play calling, play design, offensive in game adjustments, pass pro just to name a few."
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"The rest of the Steelers article is 100% speculation, and completely meaningless, what we know for a fact as he was slow to process on College, slow to process with Nagy, slow to process with Getsy and also slow to process with the Steelers."
-dbldrew


#441

You provided the Steeler article and I quoted it here in link #442 and now u say......
"The rest of the Steelers article is 100% speculation, and completely meaningless...."
-------------

"The video with JT has nothing to do with Fields being slow to process,"
-dbldrew

Please provide the time stamp. Processing is key in the majority of the JT video

I know you didn't actually say Superbowl but that's kind of the point with the NFL.. win a Superbowl is what I'm looking for, a middling QB won't get that done, and that's the problem with Fields, if you improve everything around him so it's perfect, his inability to quickly process will mean he will always be just marginal.

Yes I proved the Steelers article to show his "slow to process" problem is still there without Getsy and without any OL problem. The Steelers hopping that he fixes that issue is meaningless until he actually does.

The JT video is long, but will try and get some examples when I have time of him not processing correctly

 

[run and shoot]

"All didn't throw a lot of INT and also threw for more TD so all good candidates to build around for a Superbowl contender?"
-@dbldrew
I never said SB. Here's what I said......."Not throwing picks is the first step to reading D....then ya look at other factors i.e. surrounding talent, play calling, play design, offensive in game adjustments, pass pro just to name a few."
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"The rest of the Steelers article is 100% speculation, and completely meaningless, what we know for a fact as he was slow to process on College, slow to process with Nagy, slow to process with Getsy and also slow to process with the Steelers."
-dbldrew


#441

You provided the Steeler article and I quoted it here in link #442 and now u say......
"The rest of the Steelers article is 100% speculation, and completely meaningless...."
-------------

"The video with JT has nothing to do with Fields being slow to process,"
-dbldrew

Please provide the time stamp. Processing is key in the majority of the JT video

I know you didn't actually say Superbowl but that's kind of the point with the NFL.. win a Superbowl is what I'm looking for, a middling QB won't get that done, and that's the problem with Fields, if you improve everything around him so it's perfect, his inability to quickly process will mean he will always be just marginal.

Yes I proved the Steelers article to show his "slow to process" problem is still there without Getsy and without any OL problem. The Steelers hopping that he fixes that issue is meaningless until he actually does.

The JT video is long, but will try and get some examples when I have time of him not processing correctly

"I know you didn't actually say Superbowl but that's kind of the point with the NFL.. win a Superbowl is what I'm looking for, a middling QB won't get that done, and that's the problem with Fields, if you improve everything around him so it's perfect, his inability to quickly process will mean he will always be just marginal."
-dbldrew

"Fields, if you improve everything around him so it's perfect,"
-dbldrew
When JF got a real wr in Moore....things got better. JF processed well enuff for Moore have his best season with JF. Same for Kmet best season with JF.
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"Yes I proved the Steelers article to show his "slow to process" problem is still there without Getsy and without any OL problem. The Steelers hopping that he fixes that issue is meaningless until he actually does."
-dbldrew
However, you disregarded the other things in the article. Which are things I've been pointing out even before JF left.

"He is still young, and has plenty of time to develop. Steelers insider Mike DeFabo recently made a radio appearance"
-SteelerNation.com

"Fields has some developing to do, and learning behind Wilson could be what is best for his career at the moment."
-SteelerNation.com

It's important to note that these observations come from minicamp and organized team activities. This is when the offense is just getting installed, and players aren't in full pads. It's hard to take anything too seriously that comes out from these practices, as they aren't anywhere close to what goes on at training camp.

-SteelerNation.com

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"The JT video is long, but will try and get some examples when I have time of him not processing correctly"
-dbldrew

No problem......That's why I time stamped a few sections for your review. #435

 

[run and shoot]

obviously it's that time of the month for you. Here take this and get lost.
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The trolls seeing us having a football debate where we do not agree but we don't break down into insults with each other seems to make them really mad for some strange reason.

For sure....I hope that TP helps him, Also he might need some pych. counseling for entering places / threads where he doesn't wanna be and his football talk-phobia

 

[dbldrew]

"I know you didn't actually say Superbowl but that's kind of the point with the NFL.. win a Superbowl is what I'm looking for, a middling QB won't get that done, and that's the problem with Fields, if you improve everything around him so it's perfect, his inability to quickly process will mean he will always be just marginal."
-dbldrew

"Fields, if you improve everything around him so it's perfect,"
-dbldrew
When JF got a real wr in Moore....things got better. JF processed well enuff for Moore have his best season with JF. Same for Kmet best season with JF.
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"Yes I proved the Steelers article to show his "slow to process" problem is still there without Getsy and without any OL problem. The Steelers hopping that he fixes that issue is meaningless until he actually does."
-dbldrew
However, you disregarded the other things in the article. Which are things I've been pointing out even before JF left.

"He is still young, and has plenty of time to develop. Steelers insider Mike DeFabo recently made a radio appearance"
-SteelerNation.com

"Fields has some developing to do, and learning behind Wilson could be what is best for his career at the moment."
-SteelerNation.com

It's important to note that these observations come from minicamp and organized team activities. This is when the offense is just getting installed, and players aren't in full pads. It's hard to take anything too seriously that comes out from these practices, as they aren't anywhere close to what goes on at training camp.

-SteelerNation.com

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"The JT video is long, but will try and get some examples when I have time of him not processing correctly"
-dbldrew

No problem......That's why I time stamped a few sections for your review. #435

41 in the video Fields is looking at 13.. wide open.. he comes off of 13 for some strange reason and looks to Moore also wide open.. comes off him and goes back to 13 and throws it late and ended up out of bounds..





both immages above show fields looking at 13.. WIDE OPEN.. but unfortunately fields cant quickly process whats happening so he goes to Moore..

And Moore is also wide open and so is 13 but again Fields is slow to process whats happening and passes up a second easy TD and goes back to 13 and throws him out of bounds..


This is the problem with Fields.. he misses wide open guys all the time because he cant process whats happening

 

[run and shoot]

41 in the video Fields is looking at 13.. wide open.. he comes off of 13 for some strange reason and looks to Moore also wide open.. comes off him and goes back to 13 and throws it late and ended up out of bounds..

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both immages above show fields looking at 13.. WIDE OPEN.. but unfortunately fields cant quickly process whats happening so he goes to Moore..

View attachment 39488And Moore is also wide open and so is 13 but again Fields is slow to process whats happening and passes up a second easy TD and goes back to 13 and throws him out of bounds..


This is the problem with Fields.. he misses wide open guys all the time because he cant process whats happening

It's tough analyzing stills.


"The JT video is long, but will try and get some examples when I have time of him not processing correctly"
-@dbldrew

#435 Ok let me know when you're able to look at the JT vid and or the time stamps I provided

 

[dbldrew]

It's tough analyzing stills.


"The JT video is long, but will try and get some examples when I have time of him not processing correctly"
-@dbldrew

#435 Ok let me know when you're able to look at the JT vid and or the time stamps I provided

The stills are from the JT video.. 41min mark so you can watch it as well

 

[dbldrew]

@run and shoot

Kaboly: Justin Fields Bounced Between 'Spectacular' And 'Suspect' During First Day Of Training Camp

The big story of the first day of training camp for the Pittsburgh Steelers was Justin Fields getting all the work with the first-team offense as Russell Wilson sat out with a calf issue. Wilson had previously participated at all of the practice sessions throughout the spring, and reports...

steelersdepot.com

Story of JF is the same in training camp as it was with the Bears.. makes some WOW moments and then a lot of bad..

Still slow to process, throwing on time, seeing the field etc..

 

[run and shoot]

It's tough analyzing stills.


"The JT video is long, but will try and get some examples when I have time of him not processing correctly"
-@dbldrew

#435 Ok let me know when you're able to look at the JT vid and or the time stamps I provided

The stills are from the JT video.. 41min mark so you can watch it as well

I'll review it. Lets also review all the time stamps mention earlier when u have time.
#451
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Kaboly: Justin Fields Bounced Between 'Spectacular' And 'Suspect' During First Day Of Training Camp

The big story of the first day of training camp for the Pittsburgh Steelers was Justin Fields getting all the work with the first-team offense as Russell Wilson sat out with a calf issue. Wilson had previously participated at all of the practice sessions throughout the spring, and reports...

steelersdepot.com

I'll look at the article above. Keep in mind what was said in the SteelerNation.com article #453

 

[run and shoot]

The stills are from the JT video.. 41min mark so you can watch it as well

I watched it. In addition to your thoughts...JT pointed how Moore on the left side didn't get off the LOS in a crisp, timely manner......@41:35 and @42:08. But lets go through it all more in-depth when u have time to view the addition footage and time stamps here #451