Former Bears Coach Says Fields was "Really hard to Watch"

[Chicago Staleys]

Is there a thread somewhere for mature people?

This clearly isn’t it.

 

[90sBullsFan]

Hadn't been back to this thread since I posted it. Wish I hadn't come back to it. Some of you need to take a deep breath and learn how to get along with others.

For ****'s sake, it's just football.

 

[napo55]

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Any recommendations on other Bears message boards that aren't filled with insults and bickering? There are a lot of good posters here, but they tend to be shouted out by the angry ones.

 

[90sBullsFan]

Any recommendations on other Bears message boards that aren't filled with insults and bickering? There are a lot of good posters here, but they tend to be shouted out by the angry ones.

Agreed. I'm a KC fan, but spent my childhood with my Bears fan dad, so I tend to follow them as my second team when the Chiefs aren't playing. This place is really freaking toxic sometimes.

 

[dbldrew]

You need to calm down and stop getting unhinged. On virtually every pass in the footage provided..... JF is not only passing with anticipation. he's doing it while under pressure in some situations.

@1:37 anticipation @2:09 anticipation @3:05 "go route" anticipation @3:24 anticipation while being hit @3:47 processing while on the move, spots the open man at the last second TD!

@4:27 post route anticipation, @4:38 'quick square in' shows anticipation while being SMASHED

@6:30 'curl route' anticipation BAM! @7:00 'seam route' anticipation @8:10 'curl route' anticipation TD! @11:38 under pressure, anticipating the cross, BAM! hits him.
@12:35 'square' anticipation. @13:24 total anticipation with 'square in'

I'll stop here with my breakdown.

not sure why the other thread was killed but my last reply is it was that Fields problem has nothing to do with the OL and the OC, Fields problem is whats going on between his ears, he is slow to process what is happening, cant read/understand what the D is doing.

Your example at 1:37 is a prime example, he threw into double coverage and completely ignored the wide open Kmet for a easy TD, yes his throw worked but he needed to throw into a tight window and fortunately the defender tripped and fell.. but if he was capable of actually reading a D and processing what is happening he could of actually identified that Claypool was running into a double coverage situation and Kmet had his guy beat by a mile 1 second into the play.. Kmet had a 6 yard separation.

2:09 is not an anticipation throw thats just a normal slant, nothing wrong with what he did but thats not an example of anticipation when Moore is open the whole time looking at him the whole time

3:05 also not anticipation thats just throwing to a wide open guy.. again nothing wrong with what he did but he was wide open when he started his throwing.

3:24 also not throwing with anticipation.. open the whole time

here is what anticipation throws look like..

Purdy is throwing the ball when the WR is NOT open but he throws it to a spot because he processed that his WR will be open based on what the D is doing with his body position and what the WR is doing, Fields never does this and he is terrible at processing what the D is doing.

This video below shows the problem with fields inability to identify that the D is doing (he also rips on Getsy some as well so you will like that)

 

[run and shoot]

You need to calm down and stop getting unhinged. On virtually every pass in the footage provided..... JF is not only passing with anticipation. he's doing it while under pressure in some situations.

@1:37 anticipation @2:09 anticipation @3:05 "go route" anticipation @3:24 anticipation while being hit @3:47 processing while on the move, spots the open man at the last second TD!

@4:27 post route anticipation, @4:38 'quick square in' shows anticipation while being SMASHED

@6:30 'curl route' anticipation BAM! @7:00 'seam route' anticipation @8:10 'curl route' anticipation TD! @11:38 under pressure, anticipating the cross, BAM! hits him.
@12:35 'square' anticipation. @13:24 total anticipation with 'square in'

I'll stop here with my breakdown.

not sure why the other thread was killed but my last reply is it was that Fields problem has nothing to do with the OL and the OC, Fields problem is whats going on between his ears, he is slow to process what is happening, cant read/understand what the D is doing.

Your example at 1:37 is a prime example, he threw into double coverage and completely ignored the wide open Kmet for a easy TD, yes his throw worked but he needed to throw into a tight window and fortunately the defender tripped and fell.. but if he was capable of actually reading a D and processing what is happening he could of actually identified that Claypool was running into a double coverage situation and Kmet had his guy beat by a mile 1 second into the play.. Kmet had a 6 yard separation.

2:09 is not an anticipation throw thats just a normal slant, nothing wrong with what he did but thats not an example of anticipation when Moore is open the whole time looking at him the whole time

3:05 also not anticipation thats just throwing to a wide open guy.. again nothing wrong with what he did but he was wide open when he started his throwing.

3:24 also not throwing with anticipation.. open the whole time

here is what anticipation throws look like..

Purdy is throwing the ball when the WR is NOT open but he throws it to a spot because he processed that his WR will be open based on what the D is doing with his body position and what the WR is doing, Fields never does this and he is terrible at processing what the D is doing.

This video below shows the problem with fields inability to identify that the D is doing (he also rips on Getsy some as well so you will like that)

@1:37 the DB's were outta position...Claypool is a big target, so JF whipped it in there.
Since the vid @1:37 wasn't from behind....I couldn't read what JF saw.
EDIT: @1:52JF anticipated the break and zipped it

@2;10 JF threw it before the break....that's anticipation.
@3:24....off the flee-flicker JF had to anticipate where the wr would be while being hit

I'm gonna come back to your video. I watched less than 18 seconds of it and I noticed pocket collapsation. Purdy got adequate pass pro on that one play and the wr was where he was supposed to be.

Most of Getsy's route design was long developing and not conducive to weak pass pro OL.
In my video....you might wanna study the pass pro.

Ok......the AlexRollins guy. I remember him. Now look what x-NFL Qb JT O'Sullivan has to say.....

Former QB Was Beyond Fed Up Watching Luke Getsy .​

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Yeah I was gonna ask one of the Mods why they got rid of that JF thread. Everyone was having a respectful football discussion void of any non football related negativity. Plus I think there were over 200 people weighing in.

 

[KittiesKorner]

I deleted it because I made it and I don’t think people took it in the spirit in which it was intended.

Them’s the breaks!

 

[dbldrew]

I deleted it because I made it and I don’t think people took it in the spirit in which it was intended.

Them’s the breaks!

so you're the equivalent of a child crying and taking his ball home because the game didnt go his way.

 

[KittiesKorner]

so you're the equivalent of a child crying and taking his ball home because the game didnt go his way.

K. Get bent!

 

[dbldrew]

@1:37 the DB's were outta position...Claypool is a big target, so JF whipped it in there.
Since the vid @1:37 wasn't from behind....I couldn't read what JF saw.
EDIT: @1:52JF anticipated the break and zipped it

the problem is with Fields reacting to what he is seeing if you look on how close this ball was to be knocked away in this image..




unfortunately the video is really bad quality so the still image is equally as bad but you can see above the defender is inches away from knocking that ball away.. and look at a Kmet is open by a mile. So fields needed pin point accuracy on that throw, he made it so thats great, but his inability to be able to read a D means that he misses the obvious throws even on a play that got him a TD. He made this way harder then it needed to be for himself.


look at this from his point of view..



You can see the defender already breaking to the spot he is going to be throwing the ball and Kmet is already got his guy beat. Fields is just lost most of the time, Claypool is running into a double team but by running that way means that he is clearing out the corner for Kmet.. but he has no idea what is going on and locks on claypool and just throws it anyway. It worked because he has a lot of natural talent, but his problem has always been between his ears, and this is just another example of him being just lost out there.. yes it worked out for him this time, but most of the time it doesnt.

EDIT also he threw the ball after claypool mad his break not before, if he would actually throw with anticipation he would of been throwing it before the break, the ball would of gotten there earlier and the breaking defender would have no chance to make a play. throwing with anticipation means he should be throwing it now

 

[run and shoot]

I deleted it because I made it and I don’t think people took it in the spirit in which it was intended.

Them’s the breaks!

Oh ok. I've never deleted a thread. I never heard of it being done in the past. How did u do it...what were the steps? I'm not tying to be funny .....it's a sincere question. Thanks

 

[KittiesKorner]

There’s a dropdown at the top with an option to delete thread if you created it

 

[run and shoot]

@1:37 the DB's were outta position...Claypool is a big target, so JF whipped it in there.
Since the vid @1:37 wasn't from behind....I couldn't read what JF saw.
EDIT: @1:52JF anticipated the break and zipped it

@2;10 JF threw it before the break....that's anticipation.
@3:24....off the flee-flicker JF had to anticipate where the wr would be while being hit

I'm gonna come back to your video. I watched less than 18 seconds of it and I noticed pocket collapsation. Purdy got adequate pass pro on that one play and the wr was where he was supposed to be.

Most of Getsy's route design was long developing and not conducive to weak pass pro OL.
In my video....you might wanna study the pass pro.

Ok......the AlexRollins guy. I remember him. Now look what x-NFL Qb JT O'Sullivan has to say.....

Former QB Was Beyond Fed Up Watching Luke Getsy .​

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Yeah I was gonna ask one of the Mods why they got rid of that JF thread. Everyone was having a respectful football discussion void of any non football related negativity. Plus I think there were over 200 people weighing in.

the problem is with Fields reacting to what he is seeing if you look on how close this ball was to be knocked away in this image..

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unfortunately the video is really bad quality so the still image is equally as bad but you can see above the defender is inches away from knocking that ball away.. and look at a Kmet is open by a mile. So fields needed pin point accuracy on that throw, he made it so thats great, but his inability to be able to read a D means that he misses the obvious throws even on a play that got him a TD. He made this way harder then it needed to be for himself.


look at this from his point of view..

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You can see the defender already breaking to the spot he is going to be throwing the ball and Kmet is already got his guy beat. Fields is just lost most of the time, Claypool is running into a double team but by running that way means that he is clearing out the corner for Kmet.. but he has no idea what is going on and locks on claypool and just throws it anyway. It worked because he has a lot of natural talent, but his problem has always been between his ears, and this is just another example of him being just lost out there.. yes it worked out for him this time, but most of the time it doesnt.

EDIT also he threw the ball after claypool mad his break not before, if he would actually throw with anticipation he would of been throwing it before the break, the ball would of gotten there earlier and the breaking defender would have no chance to make a play. throwing with anticipation means he should be throwing it now

EDIT: @1:52JF anticipated the break and zipped it. If JF could not read D....his INTS would sky-high. JF trusted Claypool.....so that's counter to ppl saying he lacks anticipation

I'm gonna look for JT's video analysis of Gety's play calling and design. In the meantime here's the article....I haven't heard you comment on it.

Former QB Was Beyond Fed Up Watching Luke Getsy​

 

[run and shoot]

There’s a dropdown at the top with an option to delete thread if you created it

ok ....I'll look for it next time.

 

[dbldrew]

EDIT: @1:52JF anticipated the break and zipped it. If JF could not read D....his INTS would sky-high. JF trusted Claypool.....so that's counter to ppl saying he lacks anticipation

I'm gonna look for JT's video analysis of Gety's play calling and design. In the meantime here's the article....I haven't heard you comment on it.

Former QB Was Beyond Fed Up Watching Luke Getsy​

well i would hope he was "anticipating the break" otherwise he wouldn't know the play, but if he threw it with anticipation he would of thrown it before the break and the ball would of gotten there well before the defender got over to attempt to make a play. Or if he was capable of reading a D he would of just thrown up a easy layup to Kmet

I havent commented on getsy because he has nothing to do with why Fields is not a good QB. Fields is slow to process and cant read a D, that is 100% on fields and has nothing to do with Getsy.

Getsy does have some strange plays mixed in, but he also has plenty of good play designs, the problem is that Fields is not executing the play even when the call and design is good. when the play is good, Fields can not read the D correctly, so hypothetically changing the OC means there is just going to be a higher % of better called/designed plays that Fields will continue to struggle on because he is slow to process and cant read a D.

If you want to have an argument on why the offense was bad then sure, you can bring in the fact that Getsys has some real head scratcher plays mixed in, but the counter to that is when your QB refuses to consistently throw the ball to the open WR then maybe the OC is literally just trying anything at that point to attempt to find something the QB will actually use. Time will tell because Getsy has another OC Job so we will see..

Regardless this is not a debate about the offence as a whole, its about Fields as a QB, and the reason Fields is now a backup has nothing to do with Getsy and 100% due to him not being able to process what he is seeing on the field

 

[dbldrew]

@run and shoot

Found a much better video of that TD and I take back what I said about the defender almost made a play on the ball, the defender actually did make a play and deflected it but it was just deflected into Claypools chest.

https://imgur.com/CJg8Kx4

 

[run and shoot]

@run and shoot

Found a much better video of that TD and I take back what I said about the defender almost made a play on the ball, the defender actually did make a play and deflected it but it was just deflected into Claypools chest.

https://imgur.com/CJg8Kx4

OOOoo...... I don't know....it looks like JF zinged it in there just past the DB's out stretched hand


"Regardless this is not a debate about the offence as a whole, its about Fields as a QB"
--dbldrew
"Getsys has some real head scratcher plays mixed in, but....."
--dbldrew

"BUT" we can't have a discussion without getsy. If JF was calling his own plays....then that would open another door for conversation. Getsy would still be here if he were good. Yeah Getsy got a job. He also got a job with the Bears, even though he was unqualified.

Poles also didn't replace Getsy with a unqualified OC who never called plays nor developed a Qb,


For context we can't keep disregarding JT's analysis of Getsy's play calling and design.
Former QB Was Beyond Fed Up Watching Luke Getsy

 

[Chief Walking Stick]

A real bears thread stuck in the all sports forum abyss lmfao ccs staff are realy fucking stupid

 

[dbldrew]

OOOoo...... I don't know....it looks like JF zinged it in there just past the DB's out stretched hand


"Regardless this is not a debate about the offence as a whole, its about Fields as a QB"
--dbldrew
"Getsys has some real head scratcher plays mixed in, but....."
--dbldrew

"BUT" we can't have a discussion without getsy. If JF was calling his own plays....then that would open another door for conversation. Getsy would still be here if he were good. Yeah Getsy got a job. He also got a job with the Bears, even though he was unqualified.

Poles also didn't replace Getsy with a unqualified OC who never called plays nor developed a Qb,


For context we can't keep disregarding JT's analysis of Getsy's play calling and design.
Former QB Was Beyond Fed Up Watching Luke Getsy

you can clearly see the ball change direction and also his hand flex back as the ball hits it. So your example of Fields being good we have an example of a great play design and concept to clear out the endzone corner for kemt from Getsy, fields not being able to read that D that the DB breaking towards claypool an example of Fields throwing it late and bouncing the ball off of the DB hand and he just got lucky it deflected into the chest of claypool, and him just completly missing a wide open Kmet. Your example that you think helps your argument actually points to the problem with fields and is just another example that helps make my point..

The point is that Fields is slow to process and cant read a D because of it.

I understand you want to put all the blame on Getsy but that would only work if Fields was doing everything correctly and the play designs where failing him. When your year 3 QB still cant read a D then the OC play designs are the least of your problems. So again a QB who can not read a D is a BAD QB.

So talking about the oddball plays that Getsy has called has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Fields is slow to process and cant read a D because of it. There is not a lot of superbowl winning QBs out there who cant read a D..

 

[run and shoot]

OOOoo...... I don't know....it looks like JF zinged it in there just past the DB's out stretched hand


"Regardless this is not a debate about the offence as a whole, its about Fields as a QB"
--dbldrew
"Getsys has some real head scratcher plays mixed in, but....."
--dbldrew

"BUT" we can't have a discussion without getsy. If JF was calling his own plays....then that would open another door for conversation. Getsy would still be here if he were good. Yeah Getsy got a job. He also got a job with the Bears, even though he was unqualified.

Poles also didn't replace Getsy with a unqualified OC who never called plays nor developed a Qb,


For context we can't keep disregarding JT's analysis of Getsy's play calling and design.
Former QB Was Beyond Fed Up Watching Luke Getsy

you can clearly see the ball change direction and also his hand flex back as the ball hits it. So your example of Fields being good we have an example of a great play design and concept to clear out the endzone corner for kemt from Getsy, fields not being able to read that D that the DB breaking towards claypool an example of Fields throwing it late and bouncing the ball off of the DB hand and he just got lucky it deflected into the chest of claypool, and him just completly missing a wide open Kmet. Your example that you think helps your argument actually points to the problem with fields and is just another example that helps make my point..

The point is that Fields is slow to process and cant read a D because of it.

I understand you want to put all the blame on Getsy but that would only work if Fields was doing everything correctly and the play designs where failing him. When your year 3 QB still cant read a D then the OC play designs are the least of your problems. So again a QB who can not read a D is a BAD QB.

So talking about the oddball plays that Getsy has called has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that Fields is slow to process and cant read a D because of it. There is not a lot of superbowl winning QBs out there who cant read a D..

We might need a side angle. It looks like the ball got there just beyond the out stretched hand of the Db by inches. That looked like a skinny post where JF anticipated the break and threw it. So actually that goes against the 'JF can't throw with anticipation narrative'. JF trusted Claypool to
be there on the break.

Listen to the announcer, he made the same observation I made about the break. He didn't say anything about a "tipped ball"
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The point is that Fields is slow to process and cant read a D because of it.
-dbldrew

Regardless of the so called slow process narrative What is a key indicator that a Qb can't read
D ?
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"I understand you want to put all the blame on Getsy but...."
--dbldrew

BUT........I didn't write the article below.......x-NFL Qb JT O'Sullivan wrote it.

Former QB Was Beyond Fed Up Watching Luke Getsy



PS:
Poles also didn't replace Getsy with a unqualified OC who never called plays nor developed a Qb,
-R&S