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Smith was always unlikely to re-sign or tag They already paid Humphrey, Taylor and Thuney so unlikely you aregoing to pay 4 guys around 80m in the OL. Not a good allocation of resources.
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I for one was one that there was no way KC would let Smith get to FA. It appears I was completely wrong there.
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I’m pretty sure KC doesn’t regret signing LG Thuney to a big contract.
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Thuney is on the last year of his deal and he's 33. It would make a ton of sense to move on from him (this year or next) and still only have 3 big OL contracts with re-signing Smith.
Also for everyone else, here's the PHI Eagles OL big contracts seeing as how it's a copycat league:
Dickerson: $21M per
Johnson: $20.2M per
Mailata: $22M per
(Similar to KC, the two teams in the SB...)
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Becton could be the high risk, high reward signing
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Is he a Thuney level player? That’s really my only question.
And he may be. I just don’t know
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Absolutely.
My opinion is that I wouldn't want to risk it. The talent on the OL is way behind the count, it's not the right time to be swinging for the fences.
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I wouldn't care if it were $32 dollars, time is money for professional athletes. He is being forced beyond the terms of his initial contract and that should not be allowed. Once he has lived up to his end of the bargain time and performance wise, he should be able to move on to the highest bidder if the team that drafted him can't or won't pay him the amount of value that he has established.
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What is the risk with Becton, he has been healthy the last two years I believe.
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You weren't the only one.
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Yeah, but in your defense, I think your point was that he’s too valuable as an anchor to the o-line to let walk, not that the Chiefs will just keep everyone by magickifying the cap like some were saying.
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He did miss two games this year but i could live with that if he was playing well and on a good contract.
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The fact he was a fat lazy **** who was not willing to switch positions on the jets?
Its always a giant risk signing a player to a multi year deal who chooses to only ball out in a contract year
He likely makes at least 12m for 3-4 years, some team will take the risk. I'd prefer it not to be the bears tho but would live with the signing. Just after nate davis probably not smart to pursue a guy like that
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He made All Pro and is better than Smith. OL age well so better off extending the better player and paying less.
Dickerson is newly extended so his cap hit is only 6.5 in 2025 while Johnson is 17.4 and Mailata is 15.3. There isnt actually a year where they are all hiting the cap at 20m as Philly used void years so a lot of the cap hit is when they are no longer on the roster.
Poles tends to avoid void years and structure contracts to have a more uniform cap hit. Sweat, Moore, Kmet, Johnson and Edmunds all have contracts with no void years and where the cap hit the last 2 to 4 years are the same rather than a steep increase year over year.
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Which is my concern, since the Bears will need to make decisions on extending Darnell Wright and Braxton Jones within the next couple years.
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Smart teams pay players for future performance, not past.
Also, I posted the average salary, obviously. Not sure why you wanna start a vortex over particulars when they don't even help your point.
ALSO, KC's RT Taylor sucks and they will likely drop his ass after this year. He's not worth his contract at all. The overall point is that KC is has plenty of long term options for investing in the OL.
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For real. This isn't to brag, but there was a thread on this, and I was one of the only ones in there saying that I think there's a legit chance Smith will hit FA.
Even in the Bears subreddit... There was a post about Smith, and 95% of the people in there were like, "he's not going to hit FA. Good teams don't let their best players go." I again responded that the Chiefs have handed out big money to multiple players and may not be able to afford him, and I got downvoted to hell.
Now he's likely to be a free agent and everyone is acting like it was obvious all along.
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Correct hence why I said OL age well which is suggesting Thuney is still likely to be good for a few years. There is no reason to assume he is going to fall off a cliff. A new 4 year contract takes him to age 36 which Zeitler just had his best year ever at 35.
My point on the Eagles was that their contracts have a lot of cap pushed out to void years so the contract isnt actually 20m a year. Mailata signed an extension for 3 years and 66 million but they are 4 void years so signing and option bonus are getting allocated over more than the 3 years so the AAV isnt 22m a year. The other point was the Bears and Chiefs are unlikely to fit as many OL under the cap because they generally dont use void years. That is a philsophical difference between Roseman and guys that came up under KC like Poles.
Even if they move on from Taylor in 2026, I would expect them to be allocating 20-25m for a tackle. Their current younger options at T have underperformed and doubt you want 2 unproven guys at T so at some point they probably go after a decent vet to stabilize T.
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I have seen this guy connected to the Bears a few times. Makes sense. Played two years for BJ in Detroit and has experience at all three interior positions. Also undrafted so that gives Poles a chubby.
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Adding void years doesn't change the value of the contract, it's still a top deal for an OL. Adding void years is playing with the cap. The value of the contract is still the same. How a team handles allocating the cap is entirely team specific and up to them (front load, back load, guarantees, escalators, void years, etc.)
The team is still allocating $66M "real" dollars for 3 years to that player.
As for KC, it's like I said, they can "Tackle" the issue many different ways. Of course you failed to neglect the whole idea of them drafting an OT this year before moving on from Taylor and then they wouldn't have to still spend $20M. Like I said, many options.