#FreeBobby

[The Hawk]

If anyone is underestimating Niko's rebounding it's only because he's not a great rebounder. Portis grabbed 11 rebounds in his first start in 22 minutes. How many double digit rebound games for Niko this year?

Again, there's not one single basketball skill that Niko is better at than Bobby. Not one.

Oh come on. Mirotic is very good at handling and passing the ball. Rebounding is about equal thus far. We will see about shooting

 

[Enasic]

Oh come on. Mirotic is very good at handling and passing the ball. Rebounding is about equal thus far. We will see about shooting

"Very good" at handling and passing the ball? Really? Definitely disagree there. He's capable at best, but nowhere near very good.

Rebounding he's decent at. I've never said he wasn't. But let's not act like he's a windex man. He's a decent rebounder. Really not much more than that, honestly.

 

[The Hawk]

TO me, the obvious trade guy is Gasol if it is going to be a one for one swap. It could result in a young SG or SF coming back along with maybe a draft pick. His salary is affordable and a lot of good teams would be interested.

 

[The Hawk]

Well if the value is a backcourt player then I don't see how that impacts Bobby's minutes.

I think that you should re-think that statement

 

[The Hawk]

Bobby was mocked as a lottery pick and Snell a 2nd round pick until the day of the draft iirc plus they are totally different with their approach. its hard not seeing Bobby alteast being a decent rotational player in this league.

anything further than that he'll have to prove

He wasn't "mocked". Some fo us whondered why they drafted another big when they had more than enough bigs and wonder why they didn't trade one or two of these bigs for a couple of smalls.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Portis vs. Mirotic:

Rebounding: B+ vs. C

Three point shooting: B+ vs. C

Post up play: C for both

Blocking shots: D vs. C

Steals: B+ vs. B

Defense: B- vs. C

Free throws: D+ vs. B-

 

[clonetrooper264]

I think that you should re-think that statement

I had to go back 3 pages to find out what I was talking about...talk about bumping old posts lol.

And I stand by this statement. If you traded some frontcourt player for a backcourt player, Bobby would get minutes. When I said "would not" I meant in the context of that conversation in which I think Scoot said that you would need to trade multiple frontcourt pieces for Bobby to get minutes. In retrospect, perhaps I could've made it more clear, but this is close enough.

 

[The Hawk]

"Very good" at handling and passing the ball? Really? Definitely disagree there. He's capable at best, but nowhere near very good.

Rebounding he's decent at. I've never said he wasn't. But let's not act like he's a windex man. He's a decent rebounder. Really not much more than that, honestly.

I think he is as good a ball handler at the power forward position as anyone out there. He can create on the break if it is there. Not many PFs can do that. He just is miscast in Hoiberg's offense. I think that is one of the biggest reasons why Hoiberg's offense is not better than it is. He needs to revamp what he is doing.

 

[Enasic]

I think he is as good a ball handler at the power forward position as anyone out there. He can create on the break if it is there. Not many PFs can do that. He just is miscast in Hoiberg's offense. I think that is one of the biggest reasons why Hoiberg's offense is not better than it is. He needs to revamp what he is doing.

I completely disagree with nikos ball handling. He is not a play maker with the ball in his hands. He's a capable dribbler but does not make very good decisions and can be quite sloppy with the ball.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Niko with the strong 0 pt - 4 reb. effort.

Portis 16 pts - 7 reb. in 6 more minutes than Niko.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

I think he is as good a ball handler at the power forward position as anyone out there. He can create on the break if it is there. Not many PFs can do that. He just is miscast in Hoiberg's offense. I think that is one of the biggest reasons why Hoiberg's offense is not better than it is. He needs to revamp what he is doing.

False. Anthony Davis, Blake Griffin, Draymond Green, Tobias Harris, Thad Young, Jeff Green, Jabari Parker, Bosh, Nowitzki.

 

[stevethacreator]

I feel like Bobby plays with more of a tenacity than Niko. I feel like Niko needs to show more of and inside game. Like it sometimes seems like he's shying away from the rim a lot when they go down in transition . I like Bobby's game because he knows what he wants to BE. And the way they've been giving him minutes he's been valuable . Fights for rebounds, he takes his time with his jumper, and he hustles. I think one part of his game is that he tries to do too much like when Derrick went after a loose ball and Bobby went after it too in the Christmas game against the Thunder. Niko just needs to settle down a bit. Like he's a solid stretch 4 I just need him near the rim more. I don't know if he isn't confident that he can't matchup with bigger PFs or what but I think he'd be a hell of a lot better if he developed an inside game....also HI FOLKS.

 

[Enasic]

False. Anthony Davis, Blake Griffin, Draymond Green, Tobias Harris, Thad Young, Jeff Green, Jabari Parker, Bosh, Nowitzki.

There's even more than that. Actually, Tobias is more of a SF. As is Jeff green and Jabari. But Niko's ball handling isn't anything to write home about, and that's the main point.

The thing that I really like about Bobby over Niko, other than pretty much every possible skill set (other than FT shooting), is that he's already shown to be way more consistent. You know what you're going to get from Bobby every night. With Niko, it's anybody's guess, and it's usually pretty underwhelming. He'll bust out a really good game here and there, but you can't rely on him to bring consistently good results. For a team that lacks consistency, it's pretty obvious who deserves more minutes between the two.

 

[SilenceS]

Well, disclaimer, I haven't gotten to see Portis play in the Bulls system. I am going on him in college. I thought he was he was a great draft pick. Im not sure if it was a need of the Bulls, but I thought he was very under rated in the draft. Him and Winslow seem to get little love. I thought at the time its because both of them are not spectacular at one thing but are well rounded players that just produce. Its not highlight reel, but it gets the job done and done right.

I thought coming into the season, Portis needed to add muscle mass. He was bullied to much in college on the boards. He was great at reading rebounds. He had great instincts to float to the spot and was athletic enough to out jump players. Now, if he had to bang down low for a rebound. That wasn't his game. His shooting could be streaky, but he has no issues running and passing. Impressive for a man of his length. All and all he was impressive in SEC play. I thought he was a great draft pick. I saw him as a starter in the NBA.

 

[Enasic]

Bobby has the frame to add some weight and get stronger. No doubt. The important thing is he's fundamentally sound and brings all the right intangibles. For a 20 year old rook, I think he's holding his own pretty damned well.

 

[Naptastic]

I feel like Bobby plays with more of a tenacity than Niko. I feel like Niko needs to show more of and inside game. Like it sometimes seems like he's shying away from the rim a lot when they go down in transition . I like Bobby's game because he knows what he wants to BE. And the way they've been giving him minutes he's been valuable . Fights for rebounds, he takes his time with his jumper, and he hustles. I think one part of his game is that he tries to do too much like when Derrick went after a loose ball and Bobby went after it too in the Christmas game against the Thunder. Niko just needs to settle down a bit. Like he's a solid stretch 4 I just need him near the rim more. I don't know if he isn't confident that he can't matchup with bigger PFs or what but I think he'd be a hell of a lot better if he developed an inside game....also HI FOLKS.

It's clear that Bobby is earning his minutes, whereas Niko is kinda just expecting his. It's a good trait to have and I hope he can keep up this production.

Let's not forget that January was the Month of Mirotic last year. Maybe he just saves his energy until later in the season.

 

[Raskolnikov]

It's clear that Bobby is earning his minutes, whereas Niko is kinda just expecting his. It's a good trait to have and I hope he can keep up this production.

Let's not forget that January was the Month of Mirotic last year. Maybe he just saves his energy until later in the season.

I guess that is part of my point. How can Niko be what he is when we have seen him regress since 23? We are lucky to have such great talents with high upside while most teams are looking to sign talent.

Quit wrapping Niko into this discussion and I will go away. Two different players with two different trajectories. It's insane to say Niko is done developing because he played pro ball in Spain at 19-22, he is clearly still working things out and hearing that the coach is weak from Butler makes me nervous about the lack of development and accountability we are seeing in Niko. Portis has the best set of eyes in the game of basketball. We all love him, carry on. Niko is a special talent with special traits and I hate this comparison.

Niko has shown many superior abilities to Portis, Portis has some other abilities and the highest intangibles I can remember in a rook. But comparing Niko to anything right now while he is in a giant mental funk just isn't fair.

Niko is what he is? Lol. His game is still developing to the NBA, they adjusted to him, now he has to develop counter moves and adjust back, develop post moves and continue to add lateral quickness and strength.

 

[Enasic]

What are the superior abilities niko has over bobby?

 

[Raskolnikov]

I don't want to pit two of our own against each other. I'm done with this.

But Niko is far and away a better ball handler. He can get fouled, his B ball IQ is light years beyond in terms of spacing, and grappling too. He rebounds better but plays further from basket. He is longer. He is smoother athlete.

Portis is blowing him away in selfishness. Something Gasol can't help Niko with. Ports is willing to serve any role and bringing a decent shot for a rookie, along with want to and passion, intensity, focus.

They look like they are both on much different development trajectories, Niko is in sorta a sophmore slump if you will and faced with his limitations for the first time. He will have to come out of it to earn minutes and find a role on this team.

 

[Enasic]

Agree to disagree.