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Haha played the Shogun and Rome versions and this comparison is apt.
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Haha played the Shogun and Rome versions and this comparison is apt.
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Yeah I didnt like any of those save Mormont so not sure it is a case liking some but not others.
As for Mormont the Giant appeared to be trying to bite her in half which is why she could kill him. As it is a mindless zombie I wouldnt exepct it to be logical. However humans stupidly sending Calvary out alone is an issue because humans arent mindless.
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I think the shot was super cool, but it was a stupid strategic decision.
Though my point about no main characters dying is incorrect. Jorah went down and I'm still sad about that.
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The shot of the Night King's eye as Arya drops the dagger into her other hand is brilliant.
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I would argue that fighting an army that literally grows stronger with every death is a stupid strategic decision. But we accept it for the necessity of watching a rockin' battle, and because duking it out at Winterfell is much cooler than watching a strategic retreat south.
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Drawing the Night King's Army in to attack Winterfell, a stronghold defended by a large alliance of Dothraki, Unsullied, North, Vale, Night's Watch, and and Wildlings along with 2 Dragons is much more sound strategy than trying to force an unorganized retreat South which would leave the Night King to enlarge his forces with all civilians left behind, as well as force you to eventually pick a worse stronghold than Winterfell.... eventually you have to stand and fight.
Furthermore, an organized retreat South would undoubtedly move too slowly and risk being caught and forced to engage in the open against a much larger enemy that doesn't tire or require food or drink.
There is no strategic decision making in fight or not with an army like the Wights.... you have no choice but to fight (or quit and die I suppose)
Winterfell was the best choice to make a stand, the tactics used in the defense of that stronghold were beyond illogical.
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None of this could have happened without Jon. People are wrong all the time in the show, just look at Mel. But, in the end, she was still instrumental in defeating the NK.
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GRRM is a big Tolkien fan, so it is no surprise that the NK was dealt with first, and now we will have the Scouring of the Shire.
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Retreating south is also stupid because it leaves you pinned between 2 enemy forces. Go too far South and Cersei forces can immediately attack and wipe you out after your fight with Night King.
As it stands, you can regroup and plan how to approach Cersei. This would be about as dumb as Hitler attacking Russia while still engaged with the US and Bristish forces on their western front. That worked oit real well for Germany.
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I agree with this, WF was by far the best place to make a stand. Too bad they didn't have more time to prepare though. I also think they underestimated the size of the wight force, and that might have a lot to do with the Dothraki decision. I mean, 20-30K Dothraki should do quite a bit of damage to 100k mindless zombies, if each were to kill 3-4 wights before dying, the wights are nearly wiped out.
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Too bad the North didn't have any Wildfire, that would have evened the score quite a bit.
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Where is the 20-30k Dothraki number from?
I didn't read their numbers as that high.
For comparison they say there are around 8k Unsullied when Dany "buys" them.
On the field there appears to be more Unsullied than Dothraki to me.... I was thinking 2-4k Dothraki went on that charge.
Maybe 100-200 of them make it back with Jorah.
If they said 20k-30k somewhere in the show, it certainly didn't appear to be that sizeable of a force to me.
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They had dragons. They just deployed them poorly.
Probably a good reason to scout the enemy before engaging. Or you know just wait for them to show up. Not sure what the urgency was in going to try and meet them in the dark.
Probably a good reason to scout the enemy before engaging. Or you know just wait for them to show up. Not sure what the urgency was in going to try and meet them in the dark.
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Did Gilly die?
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Of Type 2 Diabetes, yes.
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She is alive and the baby and Sunbathing Sam
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originally they had 80-100k, I was being conservative in my estimate. Granted, showing 20k extras wasn't going to happen, but these are conservative estimates.
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Jon still the hero even here. There would be no battle plan against the dead without him. There would be no army to fight the army of the dead without him and there damn sure would have been no dragon.
As much as Mel and even Kinvara made mention of Azor Ahai and that whole prophecy, Mel seemed to be looking to Arya to get it done from the moment she appeared at exactly the right time. I'd like to see them expound on that story line some and let us know what's up. It appears the whole Azor Ahai prophecy was used as nothing but a red herring.
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Arya wasn't would not have even went to WF if Jon wasn't there.
Take this for what it is worth, I hate it.
- Euron's fleet takes down Rhaegal.
- Jaime betrays the North. Missandei is captured.
- Dany's army captures Jaime. Brienne tries to talk to him but he refuses.
- Sansa tells Tyrion about Jon's lineage. Tyrion tells Varys.
- Varys betrays Dany because he thinks Jon would be a better ruler.
- Cersei has Missandei executed.
- Dany has Varys executed. Dany assaults King's Landing and it's one-sided as hell.
- Tyrion begs her to show mercy but she refuses.
- Tyrion frees Jaime to try to get Cersei out of the city.
- King's Landing gets wrecked in the battle. Drogon burns Euron's fleet.
- The Hound fights his brother. They both die.
- Jaime fights Euron and kills him, but Jaime is mortally wounded.
- Jaime makes it to Cersei and they die together.
- Dany is executing everyone in King's Landing. Jon and Tyrion are upset.
- Dany has Tyrion arrested to be executed for freeing Jaime.
- Tyrion tries to convince Jon that his family will never be safe because his lineage makes him a threat to Dany's rule.
- Jon tries to talk to Dany but she justifies her actions.
- Jon pledges himself to Dany but then stabs her, then surrenders himself.
A council gets formed to decide who the King should be. Tyrion gives a speech and everyone votes on Bran to become King. The end.
In the epilogue, Jon takes the black again for killing Dany. Arya leaves. Sansa rules the North. Bran oversees his council of Tyrion, Davos, Sam, and Bronn
Numbers51 is a hypocrit
- Jaime betrays the North. Missandei is captured.
- Dany's army captures Jaime. Brienne tries to talk to him but he refuses.
- Sansa tells Tyrion about Jon's lineage. Tyrion tells Varys.
- Varys betrays Dany because he thinks Jon would be a better ruler.
- Cersei has Missandei executed.
- Dany has Varys executed. Dany assaults King's Landing and it's one-sided as hell.
- Tyrion begs her to show mercy but she refuses.
- Tyrion frees Jaime to try to get Cersei out of the city.
- King's Landing gets wrecked in the battle. Drogon burns Euron's fleet.
- The Hound fights his brother. They both die.
- Jaime fights Euron and kills him, but Jaime is mortally wounded.
- Jaime makes it to Cersei and they die together.
- Dany is executing everyone in King's Landing. Jon and Tyrion are upset.
- Dany has Tyrion arrested to be executed for freeing Jaime.
- Tyrion tries to convince Jon that his family will never be safe because his lineage makes him a threat to Dany's rule.
- Jon tries to talk to Dany but she justifies her actions.
- Jon pledges himself to Dany but then stabs her, then surrenders himself.
A council gets formed to decide who the King should be. Tyrion gives a speech and everyone votes on Bran to become King. The end.
In the epilogue, Jon takes the black again for killing Dany. Arya leaves. Sansa rules the North. Bran oversees his council of Tyrion, Davos, Sam, and Bronn
Numbers51 is a hypocrit