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Re-watched the episode last night, this time without the inflated expectations. Picked up a lot more nuance the second time around and enjoyed it far more than the first time.

Despite the obvious flaws/gaps that have been well hashed out, it's a brilliant episode overall and I loved it.
 

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See my last post.... they diverged from him because his story had way too many threads to follow in a TV show.

But as a writer, I can tell you, it would rustle the **** outta me.... I would be irritated they were butchering my story in some aspects and have the attitude "You guys wanted to take over and rip it apart, you finish it"

Yup they have to cut the fat cause there are budgets and limited episodes. It’s not like stargate where they get 20 45 min episodes so they can add in the filler. They have to just keep to the important part of the story line. Which pretty much got harder once there was no more source material. You have to balance between budget and content unfortunately it is a business. A show set plus actors plus technology costs greater than the pennies a few hundred pieces of extra pages in a book costs
 

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Problem with that notion is RR Martin has his own vision of how this story goes and they butchered much of it in the name of making it a reasonable TV show.

They simply couldn't open and follow the number of threads he did in his books.

I get why they had to do it, but you really can't come back after ripping up alot of his story and go "Now finish our version of the story plz"

GRRM don't want to be responsible for a hacked together version of the ending of his story, the show writers and producers have to own that.
I totally agree. If I was George I would be pissed off too. TBH if i saw my baby get torn apart on TV like this I would not have very much motivation to finish the books either. That's why I think HBO or the writers or somebody should have tried to keep George as involved as possible from the beginning so when they get to this point they can lean on him for advice and not get caught with their pants down and sticky fingers. I get that condensing his stories into a show would be difficult but they definitely should have beeb able to do better than this crap.
 

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Well the writers of the show ran out of source material. And they aren’t as talented as grrm. They might have been good at taking source material and making it possible in show format but once that was over it is what it is. Blame fat **** for not finishing his work to go work on prequels
GRRM wrote books for (let's face it) a bunch of nerds. It gets picked up by HBO, becomes a television sensation, and then all of a sudden he's eating at the cool kid's table. In doing so, he ruined it for everyone.
 

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I totally agree. If I was George I would be pissed off too. TBH if i saw my baby get torn apart on TV like this I would not have very much motivation to finish the books either. That's why I think HBO or the writers or somebody should have tried to keep George as involved as possible from the beginning so when they get to this point they can lean on him for advice and not get caught with their pants down and sticky fingers. I get that condensing his stories into a show would be difficult but they definitely should have beeb able to do better than this crap.

I would agree they could/should do better, some of the bad writing isn't because they lack source material it is bad because they chose to write things that defy the gravity of their own universe. At least those cases could be addressed.

As far as involving RR Martin more, idk how easy that is TBH.... if anything they should have tried to force him to at least drop them manuscripts for Winds of Winter and the last book.
 

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Yup they have to cut the fat cause there are budgets and limited episodes. It’s not like stargate where they get 20 45 min episodes so they can add in the filler. They have to just keep to the important part of the story line. Which pretty much got harder once there was no more source material. You have to balance between budget and content unfortunately it is a business. A show set plus actors plus technology costs greater than the pennies a few hundred pieces of extra pages in a book costs

Not just budget tho... the show was intense and good because it generally steamrolled over the dilly dallying bullshit and stuck with the most exciting core plot stuff.

To make compelling TV these days you have to cater to an audience of, let's face it, a bunch of fucking ADHD people who need you to bukkake them with core plot or they get bored.... I am as guilty as anyone, I do it with TWD.

Lol imagine if they wrote all those chapters in Feast for Crows... oh look the 9th episode where Cersei drinks wine and cunts around.... and the 14th episode about Brienne trudging thru the woods....
 

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Not saying that she is a pieace of crap person. Her actions are more selfish than Jon. She has increasingly become more authoritarian as time has gone on. Her nerves get shot when people don't see eye to eye with her or bend the knee. Which she then threatens with death.

If you can't see that then agree to disagree. Nothing left to talk about there.

I already said that her actions are more selfish but that is compared to Jon who is perhaps the most unselfish character in the show. She is no more or less selfish than say Sansa or Arya. I think she too hard at times whereas I think Jon is too soft. Hence why I think ideally they need each other to balance them out.

Only people she threatened death that I recall for not bending the knee were Sam's family who had just engaged in warfare with her and refused to submit after defeat. That is fair game in warfare in my opinion. She offered them a chance to avoid death and they did not take it.

She certainly shows her emotions but she didn't force Jon to bend the knee, she was prepared to move ahead without it then Jon offered it right before they fucked. She also relented when everyone stood up for Jamie despite Jamie saying he would do the same thing over again. Someone actually authoritative would not have tolerated that.
 

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I just rewatched it

It is 100% a distraction to get Arya into the godswood when John yells at the dragon. You see the ww hair move as Arya quickly gets to the nk

Another observation bran was warged most of the episode. Was he only the crows or anything else? Can’t tell if he was more influential in other things. I don’t get the point into warging into the crows and doing nothing with that

I am assuming it comes back again regarding Bran's warging.
 

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GRRM wrote books for (let's face it) a bunch of nerds. It gets picked up by HBO, becomes a television sensation, and then all of a sudden he's eating at the cool kid's table. In doing so, he ruined it for everyone.

I would agree with this. The books and even the early seasons in my opinion were written with the fantasy/sci fi nerds in mind. It was more akin to an Oscar contender for best picture. Then the show got bigger than anyone ever imagined adding a lot of non-core fantasy fans and the show grew into more of a summer blockbuster where they started making decisions not for storytelling purposes but to appeal to the now largely casual audience that loves cool visuals more than they love the underlying mystery and lore.
 

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I would agree with this. The books and even the early seasons in my opinion were written with the fantasy/sci fi nerds in mind. It was more akin to an Oscar contender for best picture. Then the show got bigger than anyone ever imagined adding a lot of non-core fantasy fans and the show grew into more of a summer blockbuster where they started making decisions not for storytelling purposes but to appeal to the now largely casual audience that loves cool visuals more than they love the underlying mystery and lore.

Hence the "Let's send thousands of Dothraki riders on a suicide charge with weapons that can't kill Wights..... UNLESS THEY ARE ALL ON FIRE OMG SO COOL"

It was a cool visual, I'll give it that lol
 

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I would agree with this. The books and even the early seasons in my opinion were written with the fantasy/sci fi nerds in mind. It was more akin to an Oscar contender for best picture. Then the show got bigger than anyone ever imagined adding a lot of non-core fantasy fans and the show grew into more of a summer blockbuster where they started making decisions not for storytelling purposes but to appeal to the now largely casual audience that loves cool visuals more than they love the underlying mystery and lore.
Really? I thought the first season was less fantasy and more intriguing political drama. Obviously there were examples of fantasy/sci-fi, but I always viewed them as secondary to the overall main parts of the show, which was the politics/alliances/war/back-stabbing. Whichever came first between the dragons burning the Unsullied master or the baby being turned into a WW was when the fantasy/sci-fi stuff got placed on an equal footing with a "traditional" story, at least IMO.
 

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Feel like that's all she's really done is free slaves and provide an army to support the war against NK.

That's still a pretty good resume, like Lincoln combined with Roosevelt.
 

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Really? I thought the first season was less fantasy and more intriguing political drama. Obviously there were examples of fantasy/sci-fi, but I always viewed them as secondary to the overall main parts of the show, which was the politics/alliances/war/back-stabbing. Whichever came first between the dragons burning the Unsullied master or the baby being turned into a WW was when the fantasy/sci-fi stuff got placed on an equal footing with a "traditional" story, at least IMO.

I meant fantasy in the broad sense that we are in a fictional fantasy world. I would agree that the first season was more political in content.
 

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Also if Tyrion betrays Dany I think it’ll be for Jon not Cersei and I think Varys and Sansa will be his co-conspirators without Jon’s knowledge or approval.


Is everyone just saying this like it is something that will happen because some ass hat on reddit said it, or is it for some other reason?
 

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I would agree they could/should do better, some of the bad writing isn't because they lack source material it is bad because they chose to write things that defy the gravity of their own universe. At least those cases could be addressed.

As far as involving RR Martin more, idk how easy that is TBH.... if anything they should have tried to force him to at least drop them manuscripts for Winds of Winter and the last book.
IDK if they could force RR Martin to drop the manuscripts though. They could have at least ran some major plot points and character development ideas by George to get an opinion of somebody who knows what they are doing
 

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Is everyone just saying this like it is something that will happen because some ass hat on reddit said it, or is it for some other reason?
If anybody betrays Dany it will be Jamie and idk if you could call that a betrayal. Regardless, if he does it will be because he still wants to be the Golden Lion he once was.
 

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I just wish The Hawk was here to get everything wrong. Could you imagine the bitching he would be doing about the darkness of the last episode with (claims of) his eyes being so bad?
 

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Is everyone just saying this like it is something that will happen because some ass hat on reddit said it, or is it for some other reason?
Everyone is coming up with their own theories likely cause everyone wants to be right. I called it!!!! But he does make a good point with how things are flowing
 

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