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Yep. Most of these bats taken at the top end of drafts are athletic enough you can shuffle them around a bit and be fine.
Yep. Most of these bats taken at the top end of drafts are athletic enough you can shuffle them around a bit and be fine.
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True! However, you should know that the Cardinals will have notables Westbrook (9.75 mil), Chris Carpenter (12 mil), Carlos Beltran (13 mil), and Furcal (7 mil) coming off the books.
They could easily throw Westbrook and Furcal money at him, retain Beltran on a friendly 1 or 2 year deal, and have Carpenters money to simply bank.
And don't think for a moment that if the deal took place, that Garza knows he would be in the catbirds seat as far as a competitive team throughout his contract with Wainright, Lynn, Garcia, and Miller around him. Oh, and Kelly, Rosenthal and others, hitters galore, and the best catcher on the planet.
I doubt that the Cubs would be able to pry Taveras or Wong away, but Trevor Rosenthal might be a place they looked to start if they did because he could potentially start or be an effective reliever or closer.
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that great, but still dont quite get what difference it makes whether he traded to cardinals or not.. cardinals still would be one of 30 teams that has a shot at signing him this off season whether he traded to them or not..
anyways, i think it will be between the rangers or indians..
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If it wasn't (pardon the pun) a cardinal sin, you would see more teams doing it. You would have to search real hard to find quite a few examples of trading within the division for players of substance, versus the thousands and thousands of trades that aren't within the division.
Trading to a major rival and inner-division foe makes it even more of a no-no for me. But that's just my opinion.
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i totally agree with that.. maybe i took what you earlier posted the wrong way.. i took this
as to meaning that if garza signs with the cardinals this off season it would be the cubs fault because they traded him there for remainder of season, especially when you said were trying to catch them.. i mean theres no chance to do that this year..:lol:
but if he ends up signing with cards this off season, it wouldnt be the cubs fault..
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Apologize for the confusion. I doubt that if the Matt Garza went on the open market that the Cardinals would be high bidders anyway. They don't typically do that.
The Cardinals have a significant advantage though of extending him in my opinion if they trade for him, let him play with the team and see what the post season is all about, and then extend him.
If I'm Garza, I would never look back at signing a 4 year 60 million (I'm guessing) deal from the Cardinals versus a 5 year 75 million deal from the Cubs.
The idea that I make the playoffs almost or every every year versus wondering if my team is going to be a .500 would be enough for me. Also figure that Garza is young enough to ink another deal as he would be only 34 on the next go around. There are plenty of pitchers getting paid handsomely at that age and older.
Either way, he is getting ready to be really well-off monetarily if he isn't already.
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I agree.. he definitely knows what a post season is about.. playoffs and world series with the rays and twins
I think that a big factor in him asking the cubs for more annual money, basically saying if you want me to stay on during the rebuild pay me with more money annually or in years.
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And unfortunately, by the parent team sucking as they do, this is what's going to have to happen to sign soon to be or free agents. They will have to overpay.
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There are reports that the Rangers, Cubs, and Mets have a three year deal nearly complete where the Rangers would receive Matt Garza and MArlon Byrd. No one knows how good the source really is but Cubs den is speculating as well. Olt is supposively involved if their truly is a deal.
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Cubs den has Texas as most likely with Olt and a ready for Major leagues pitcher. He doesn't believe that Olt/Bryant will be a issue as Hoyer is just acquiring talent and Bryant could end up as a corner OF. 6'5" 215. He has room to bulk up and may end up moving anyways. To boot last year Jed was targeting Olt for Garza until Garza got injured and ended up settling for Christian for Dempster. Wouldn't surprise me at all at this point.
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Who are the major league ready pitchers in the Rangers system that would be included? There does not seem to be any names that jump out at you.
If the Mets are involved the player I want most is Noah Syndgaard from them but that seems unrealistic.
Olt as a centrepiece does not excite me as much.
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Texas Pitching
Wilmer Font
Ramon Mendez
Both are young, big and on the 40 man roster.
Wilmer Font
Ramon Mendez
Both are young, big and on the 40 man roster.
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Two bullpen arms?
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I am just trying to find this major league ready arms that Cubs den is speculating about.
The Rangers pitching does not excite, but maybe that is why the Mets are involved.
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Yeah probably.
Is Perez not an option anymore?
Is Perez not an option anymore?
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Bleacher Report Speculation
3B Mike Olt
SP Justin Grimm
SP Martin Perez
3B Mike Olt
SP Justin Grimm
SP Martin Perez
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I think he would have to be he would give the Cubs more young left handed pitching which would be nice.
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I'd be very happy with that.
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Seems a bit much for a rental with no control. Perez and Grimm have some MLB starts already and even though Olt is in a down year due to his vision issues he is still the #2 3B prospect in baseball and was considered the the best glove at 3B in their system. It would be considered a haul which makes me believe the Cubs would be giving up more then just Garza. Potentially 2 SP and a solid glove with power at 3B... I'd expect Navarro to go at min at that point.
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But as was mentioned Garzas stock has never been higher. Combine that with Darvish being banged up and you have increased value.
I would also expect that a team like Texas could re-sign Garza if they wanted to as they have money and a winning program.