Garza To Rangers -- Olt, Edwards, Grimm to Chi (Post 607)

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But as was mentioned Garzas stock has never been higher. Combine that with Darvish being banged up and you have increased value.

I would also expect that a team like Texas could re-sign Garza if they wanted to as they have money and a winning program.

Perez I like. Grimm makes me think of another garbage RH starter. He is not good. Feldman at least could dominate with his cutter. Grimm is running 6.9 K/9 with a 1.652 WHIP.

Sounds like the Cubs would be doing a favor taking this guy.

So ya doubt that the magic can work with him.

Perez:

Rated Best Curveball in the Texas Rangers system after the 2008 season
Rated Best Curveball in the Texas Rangers system after the 2011 season
Rated Best Changeup in the Texas Rangers system after the 2012 season

Can work with his tool set.
 

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This just in, 28 teams have interest in trading for Garza, as well as the Denver Broncos, Seattle SuperSonics, and Manchester United.
 

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This just in, 28 teams have interest in trading for Garza, as well as the Denver Broncos, Seattle SuperSonics, and Manchester United.

If Man U is willing to give up Wayne Rooney, then sign me up. Maybe we can convert him into a closer.
 

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If Man U is willing to give up Wayne Rooney, then sign me up. Maybe we can convert him into a closer.
He'd likely do no worse than some of the RP we've had this season. :D
 

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The personnel heads who spoke to Joel Sherman of the New York Post picture Garza going to the Rangers, who have the need and the goods to make a deal. 22-year-old southpaw Martin Perez "could be a key element for the Cubs to move Garza to Texas," writes Sherman. The Rangers are not going to give up Perez, writes MLB.com's T.R. Sullivan. He names Neil Ramirez, Carlos Pimentel, Leury Garcia, and Luis Sardinas as more realistic possibilities.

I would so no thanks to that. It would have to be headlined by a SP as a return not Olt.
 

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The personnel heads who spoke to Joel Sherman of the New York Post picture Garza going to the Rangers, who have the need and the goods to make a deal. 22-year-old southpaw Martin Perez "could be a key element for the Cubs to move Garza to Texas," writes Sherman. The Rangers are not going to give up Perez, writes MLB.com's T.R. Sullivan. He names Neil Ramirez, Carlos Pimentel, Leury Garcia, and Luis Sardinas as more realistic possibilities.

I would so no thanks to that. It would have to be headlined by a SP as a return not Olt.

Some are even questioning whether Olt would be included in a deal. I am still skeptical that any team is offering a big boy package for Garza at this point despite all the talk that the Cubs are going to deal him this week.
 

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I'm glad no one dignified the Nightengale/Kaplan "rumor" of Profar involved in a Garza deal here
 

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I'm glad no one dignified the Nightengale/Kaplan "rumor" of Profar involved in a Garza deal here

Yeah, from everything I've read, Profar is untouchable.
 

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Yeah, from everything I've read, Profar is untouchable.

Olt is probably the best centerpiece we can reasonable hope to get from Texas. According to Tom Loxas at Cubs Den the Cubs were/are asking for Feliz in a deal, but that seems pretty far fetched too.
 

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Jon Heyman of CBS Sports reports that the Rangers aren't willing to include Martin Perez in a trade for Garza. The Red Sox are said to be "thinking about" Garza and would be a major threat if they entered the fray, according to Heyman. Boston has many pitching prospects acquired by Theo Epstein during his time as the team's GM. The Diamondbacks are in the mix as well, though they may prefer Jake Peavy. The Cubs are likely to place more emphasis on ceiling than proximity to the Major Leagues, according to Heyman, with a slight preference for pitching as opposed to position players.
The Rangers, Cardinals, Pirates, Indians, Blue Jays, and Dodgers "are the strongest pursuers" with a handful of other teams showing at least cursory interest in Garza, writes David Kaplan of CSNChicago.com. A handful of club executives who spoke to Kaplan consider Garza a very strong No. 3 starter, for whom the Cubs have an "exceptionally high" asking price. Kaplan adds that the Rangers and Blue Jays "are both deciding how far they want to go to acquire Garza." Kaplan's baseball personnel experts feel the Cubs will come close but fall short of the Brewers' Zack Greinke package from last summer, which consisted of shortstop Jean Segura and pitchers Johnny Hellweg and Ariel Pena. Complicating that comparison is the fact that Segura raised his stock considerably this year; at the time of the deal, Baseball America ranked him 43rd among prospects and ESPN's Keith Law had him outside of his top 50.
Baseball America's midseason top 50 prospects list came out last week. Prospects in the 35-50 range who play for potential Garza suitors include Joc Pederson of the Dodgers, Anthony Ranaudo and Garin Cecchini of the Red Sox, Alen Hanson of the Pirates, Aaron Sanchez of the Blue Jays, Mike Olt of the Rangers, Kolten Wong of the Cardinals, and Adam Eaton of the Diamondbacks. Kaplan notes that the Rangers are "thought to be dangling" Olt, a third baseman. A lot of the position players named here either seem unlikely to be traded or aren't great fits for the Cubs, who might prefer to get a pitcher as the headliner.
The personnel heads who spoke to Joel Sherman of the New York Post picture Garza going to the Rangers, who have the need and the goods to make a deal. 22-year-old southpaw Martin Perez "could be a key element for the Cubs to move Garza to Texas," writes Sherman. The Rangers are not going to give up Perez, writes MLB.com's T.R. Sullivan. He names Neil Ramirez, Carlos Pimentel, Leury Garcia, and Luis Sardinas as more realistic possibilities.
 

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Olt is probably the best centerpiece we can reasonable hope to get from Texas. According to Tom Loxas at Cubs Den the Cubs were/are asking for Feliz in a deal, but that seems pretty far fetched too.

I just don't think Olt is enough, especially when you consider that we just spent almost $7 million on Kris Bryant. My big thing for the Cubs would be to get some pitching talent that's much closer to being able to contribute at the major league level, even if that means that they have a slightly lower ceiling.
 

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I just don't think Olt is enough, especially when you consider that we just spent almost $7 million on Kris Bryant. My big thing for the Cubs would be to get some pitching talent that's much closer to being able to contribute at the major league level, even if that means that they have a slightly lower ceiling.

Bryant is hardly someone to make personnel decisions on right now. If Olt and Bryant both reach their potential as hitters you can easily find spots for them to play in the same lineup. I just don't see them getting an arm that is close to contributing with upside beyond that of a 5. I mean why would you trade a guy that was able to step into a major league rotation now with the upside of a 3 or more for a couple months of Garza? I think the best deal likely to be on the table for the Cubs is taking a guy like Olt and then get some arms that are like the guy they got for Hairston.
 

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I did like Anthony Ranaudo from the Bo-Sox. It would not anger me to have a 6'7" Big RH with a 8.4 SO per 9 in AA right now. They could add a LH bat with power. (Don't like Garin Cecchini).
 

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I did like Anthony Ranaudo from the Bo-Sox. It would not anger me to have a 6'7" Big RH with a 8.4 SO per 9 in AA right now. They could add a LH bat with power. (Don't like Garin Cecchini).

Ranaudo would be a huge get for Garza. It just seems like Boston is hesitant to give up anything remotely valuable for Garza.
 

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Bryant is hardly someone to make personnel decisions on right now. If Olt and Bryant both reach their potential as hitters you can easily find spots for them to play in the same lineup. I just don't see them getting an arm that is close to contributing with upside beyond that of a 5. I mean why would you trade a guy that was able to step into a major league rotation now with the upside of a 3 or more for a couple months of Garza? I think the best deal likely to be on the table for the Cubs is taking a guy like Olt and then get some arms that are like the guy they got for Hairston.

Soler's arm was lesser then expected. Bryant has a cannon that could be game changing in RF. Soler could be a plus D in LF easily. So do not see a big issue here with it. Still would rather have an top of the rotation talent in return.
 

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Soler's arm was lesser then expected. Bryant has a cannon that could be game changing in RF. Soler could be a plus D in LF easily. So do not see a big issue here with it. Still would rather have an top of the rotation talent in return.

I think we all would prefer to see that. I just question how likely a team is going to give a top of the rotation talent that is near-MLB ready for a non-elite starting pitcher rental.
 

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Any team that considers Garza as a #3 must have a hell of a #1 and 2.

He is not some journeyman.

It would help somewhat if two of these teams interested were in the same division, but with two wild cards, that's not as big a concern anymore. You need not win the division to have a shot at the WS.

I just want to see the Cubs get full value. Get a primo prospect or sign him to an extension.
 

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Any team that considers Garza as a #3 must have a hell of a #1 and 2.

He is not some journeyman.

It would help somewhat if two of these teams interested were in the same division, but with two wild cards, that's not as big a concern anymore. You need not win the division to have a shot at the WS.

I just want to see the Cubs get full value. Get a primo prospect or sign him to an extension.

Apparently Edwin Jackson is the better pitcher to move forward with to assist in the tanking of seasons. The front office has made it clear that they feel they will not contend next year either. Jackson is definitely money well spent and has been successful in his role.

Shark should also be gone along with Travis Wood. Nothing like bolstering the farm further at the expense of tanking one season after another.

I don't want to witness a trip to the playoffs anytime soon at the expense of the farm system.
 

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I think we all would prefer to see that. I just question how likely a team is going to give a top of the rotation talent that is near-MLB ready for a non-elite starting pitcher rental.

It depends if Garza can push a team to the W.S. not only your team but your competition. So looking at the Sox and the Rangers. They could face each other and why would they let the other have Garza pitch game 3. I don't care about reporters or website opinions on this. This is about potential play off match ups and having an edge in talent going into game 3. Rangers have the bigger need right now. Sox have Lackey as a #3 and he has a lot of play off experience and is having some what of a bounce back year. Rangers still have the greater need.
 

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