Garza To Rangers -- Olt, Edwards, Grimm to Chi (Post 607)

[Boobaby1]

I think Drabek's stuff is what interests me and the ability to buy low on him is why I stated he isn't a centerpiece. I see him as a piece similar to Arrieta to be honest. But the fact that TO is trying to gather pieces for now might be why they would be willing to throw him in.

Getting one of those guys (Sanchez or Gose) as a center piece with two other lower level prospects would be a solid get. All indications are the Cubs are using the Greinke deal last year as a model for what they want. I am just not sold yet that other teams are willing to meet that price given all the chatter about the (unreasonably in their mind) high price.

A lot of teams view a WS trip or victory as a golden opportunity, thus, sending a top prospect isn't a stretch if it (A) gives you that chance, and (B) you have the resources to make a deal. It's not as if the team that gets him won't have the best chance at extending him if they have the funds to do so, and the teams other than Pittsburgh do.

Of course, Pittsburgh has the multiple prospects that won't hurt their farm, but they don't figure in my opinion.

Like I said the other day about Garza and the Cardinals, whatever contending team he goes to, they will have the distinct advantage of signing him long term. Garza to me (just speculating) seems to be loyal that way, and he knows he will be on a contender year in and year out. He's going to be loaded regardless.

I'd like to see what Garza's ERA would be this year had he not had that blow up a few weeks ago. What, would it be like a 1.65 ERA or something? opcorn:

 

[WindyCity]

My order of trade partners

1. Red Sox
2. Diamondbacks
3. Texas if Perez is involved.

 

[Boobaby1]

Cubs Asking For Final Offers On Garza; Rangers Most Motivated

By Steve Adams [July 18 at 3:37pm CST]

The Matt Garza rumors have picked up steam in the past couple of days, with ESPN's Jim Bowden stating Wednesday that there's an 80 percent chance he's traded before his next start. On Tuesday, we learned that the Cubs have a slight preference toward pitching prospects as opposed to position players and that the Rangers are unwilling to part with Martin Perez to acquire Garza. Here's the latest on Garza...
•The Cubs are asking teams for their "last and best offers" for Garza, tweets ESPN's Buster Olney, and other clubs think he's thrown his last pitch as a Cub. In a separate pair of tweets, Olney adds that while the Rangers don't want to move Perez, they have other pitching prospects such as C.J. Edwards and Luke Jackson that could be of interest to the Cubs. Jackson ranked as the team's No. 6 prospect prior to the season according to Baseball America, while Edwards ranked 14th. Both have had strong minor league seasons.
•Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports tweets that the Rangers have the most motivation to acquire Garza and have had extensive talks with the Cubs.
•If the Rangers don't acquire Garza, rival executives see the Cardinals, Red Sox, Diamondbacks and Dodgers as the likeliest destinations, according to Jeff Passan of Yahoo Sports (Twitter link).
•As reported earlier by Troy Renck of the Denver Post, Rockies owner Dick Monfort issued a letter to season-ticket holders saying the team wouldn't surrender top prospects for rentals. That, presumably, officially takes them out of the running for Garza's services.

Garza will be gone tomorrow. The Cubs will take the Jackson/Edwards combo. Just watch!

 

[dabynsky]

Red Sox might be the winner after all:

Clay Buchholz was supposed to throw today but he has been shutdown for time being. Will be reexamined tomorrow. #RedSox

 

[JosMin]

Red Sox might be the winner after all:

Pleaseeeeee Ranaudo :fap:

 

[nwfisch]

 

[WindyCity]

It appears the Red Sox and Rangers are the most desperate for help.

I really hope that it is the Red Sox.

 

[chibears55]

havent really heard of others, but what other pitchers are available or being talked about for deals ? is there anyone the quality of garza available ? seems to me that teams may not have a choice but to over spend for garza, especially if their multiple teams bidding for him..

so, i would be very disappointed if they dont net a couple of quality close to ( pitchers only ) major league ready prospects in return, if positon players, then i expect players ready for the 2014 roster.

 

[JosMin]

havent really heard of others, but what other pitchers are available or being talked about for deals ? is there anyone the quality of garza available ? seems to me that teams may not have a choice but to over spend for garza, especially if their multiple teams bidding for him..

so, i would be very disappointed if they dont net a couple of quality close to ( pitchers only ) major league ready prospects in return, if positon players, then i expect players ready for the 2014 roster.

The only guy who you could say is definitively better is Cliff Lee, but there's been no concrete evidence that the Phillies are willing to become sellers. Jake Peavy is another name that's been thrown out there, but it'd be safe to assume that the White Sox would be asking for a similar return as the Cubs are for Garza. Bud Norris and Edinson Volquez are two names that are supposedly available that will command a cheaper price than Garza.

 

[chibears55]

The only guy who you could say is definitively better is Cliff Lee, but there's been no concrete evidence that the Phillies are willing to become sellers. Jake Peavy is another name that's been thrown out there, but it'd be safe to assume that the White Sox would be asking for a similar return as the Cubs are for Garza. Bud Norris and Edinson Volquez are two names that are supposedly available that will command a cheaper price than Garza.

thanks JM ...
from everything that ive been reading after this call for best available package from the cubs, it seems as if they may have an offer at hand ( some feel from the rangers ) and are alerting other teams to get their best offers in before they pull the trigger on the deal they have.
some say it will be done tomorrow, others feel by no later then monday ( garza next start )..

i could see hoyer by the phones.. ringg.. nope not good enough try again, ringgg nope not even close call back, ringg sounds good but we got better keep adding

 

[dabynsky]

[video=youtube;23kFiqFiOlA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23kFiqFiOlA[/video]

 

[zack54attack]

Hmmm Boston?

 

[dabynsky]

Cubs Den update:

Now hearting that teams have until 10 ct to get their final offers in. Trade should be done in 24 hrs one way or another. Mike Olt supposedly not involved.

I know others are down on Olt, but if Texas wins that means that the prospects coming back are either much farther away from contributing or have a much lower ceiling because there is no way that the Cubs get Perez or Profar in a deal.

 

[SilenceS]

The Cubs gave a deadline of 10 PM tonight for teams to give their best offers. Seems we will know by tom.

 

[Boobaby1]

Cubs Den update:
I know others are down on Olt, but if Texas wins that means that the prospects coming back are either much farther away from contributing or have a much lower ceiling because there is no way that the Cubs get Perez or Profar in a deal.

Edwards and Jackson from Texas right now would be a solid package for Garza. If anyone is the least bit high on Pierce Johnson, these guys are better in my opinion and would be plugged in with him at the same level. If the Cubs can get them for a 2-1/2 month rental, you do it.

Texas has a pretty good track record as far as pitchers (not that Boston doesn't) but you have to put as much pitching in the minors that you can, and this would suffice. Tack on the Cuban (Gonzalez) and next years draft and you have the makings of a strong farm all the way around and then they can FINALLY start looking at the parent club because Soriano will no longer be here, nor will a lot of others.

 

[chibears55]

cubs and rangers deal close..

word is rangers have spoken to players involved in deal which believe were Luke jackson, CJ Edwards, and Mike Olt..
Cubs are waiting and hoping someone offers more..

 

[patg006]

I hear Olt is out, and Sardinas is in....

 

[dabynsky]

Some talk that Alfaro might be on the table which would be huge given he is an impact level prospect at catcher. Either way I would be happy with a return of Olt/Sardinas/Alfaro with the two arms.

 

[chibears55]

Jon Heyman of CBS Sports writes that while the Rangers are "prominently involved," other teams are still in the mix for Garza at this point.

Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports tweets that Class A right-hander C.J. Edwards is indeed in play in trade talks. Edwards, 21, has a 1.83 ERA with 11.8 K/9 and 3.3 BB/9 in 93 1/3 innings for Class A Hickory this season.

One official tells Rosenthal that the Cubs and Rangers are "getting closer" on a Garza trade (Twitter link).

Rosenthal adds that third base prospect Mike Olt is "possibly" in play, but the two sides are discussing prospects from multiple levels.

maybe the cubs are asking for top lower level players over Mike Olt

 

[DewsSox79]

cubs and rangers deal close..

why another thread? you know another team can jump in. ugh