Garza To Rangers -- Olt, Edwards, Grimm to Chi (Post 607)

[DewsSox79]

So is the trading of Garza a step forward or backward for the organization?

step forward. you can always peddle these guys for established players if they rank out in a couple of years. You have to load up with specs because there is a good chance most wont pan out to be studs.

 

[brett05]

step forward. you can always peddle these guys for established players if they rank out in a couple of years. You have to load up with specs because there is a good chance most wont pan out to be studs.

But wouldn;t it be better for the Cubs to keep Garza got that very reason?

Or were you answering it from the Rangers perspective? LOL. Good one.

 

[Parade_Rain]

So is the trading of Garza a step forward or backward for the organization?

Typical Theo move. One step forward. 3 steps back!



Just kidding, fellas.

 

[JosMin]

But wouldn;t it be better for the Cubs to keep Garza got that very reason?

Or were you answering it from the Rangers perspective? LOL. Good one.

People are forgetting that Garza is only a #2 on his very best day. I've come to the conclusion that all of these rumors on the potential return for him are in line with what he's actually worth, especially when you consider a team is only guaranteed his services for two more months. I just talked about this with Mauricio Rubio on World Series Dreaming -- between the fact that Garza has only two months of control left, the fact that the Cubs are almost guaranteed to have to overpay him if they want him to stay in Chicago, and the fact that his injury issues are a concern to any potential suitors, they're "getting out" on Garza at the right time. Ideally, they should've traded him in the offseason but the forearm issues prevented that.

At the end of the day, you have to ask yourself is it worth paying Matt Garza upwards of $100 million and have him miscast as a staff ace, when he isn't? Whether you think trading him makes the team worse in both the short and long term, is he honestly worth that money? Starting pitching isn't the issue with the Cubs -- their bullpen and a lack of run production with runners on base are the issues. Those are the problems they need to address. I think adding multiple prospects, instead of keeping Garza or taking the one compensatory pick if they keep him and let him walk in free agency, gives them a better chance to address these issues going forward.

 

[dabynsky]

Some chatter that the Cubs are the ones balking at Luke Jackson. John Arguello at Cubs Den thinks this is proof that a deal is close.

 

[JosMin]

Some chatter that the Cubs are the ones balking at Luke Jackson. John Arguello at Cubs Den thinks this is proof that a deal is close.

That's very interesting, I figured Jackson would certainly be more appealing than Ramirez, IMO at least.

 

[dabynsky]

That's very interesting, I figured Jackson would certainly be more appealing than Ramirez, IMO at least.

There are a number of possibilities, and I don't think we will ever know for certain what guys the Cubs preferences were. It will be interesting to see what finally comes to fruition. Cubs have supposedly been after one high ceiling prospect (in 50ish area of Top 100 prospects), and one guy that was close to MLB ready. A lot of the packages talked about with the Rangers wouldn't meet that, but I've so much conflicting stuff on this in the past two weeks that I am ready for it to just be done.

 

[JosMin]

There are a number of possibilities, and I don't think we will ever know for certain what guys the Cubs preferences were. It will be interesting to see what finally comes to fruition. Cubs have supposedly been after one high ceiling prospect (in 50ish area of Top 100 prospects), and one guy that was close to MLB ready. A lot of the packages talked about with the Rangers wouldn't meet that, but I've so much conflicting stuff on this in the past two weeks that I am ready for it to just be done.

Me and you both. I'd still be floored if some surprise team ended up jumping in and landed Garza. I know you and I have discussed how aggressive Alex Anthopoulos has been in the past. Could he toss out guys like Gose and Nolin and blow the Cubs out of the water? I fuckin' wish. I just have this sickening feeling that I'll end up being disappointed with whatever package the Rangers end up sealing a deal with. Maybe it's the pessimist in me because we've tried to work deals over the past year with them (One other time with Garza, the other with Ryan Dempster) and they fell apart.

 

[JosMin]

Apparently, during discussion with Cleveland, the Cubs insisted on them including young third baseman Lonnie Chisenhall. He'd be a nice get for the Cubs.

Cleveland needs a top-of-the-rotation pitcher to make a run at the Detroit Tigers in the American League Central. The Cubs have made it known that they want third baseman Lonnie Chisenhall in return, according to sources. Chisenhall, 24, has underachieved for the Indians, batting .243 with six home runs and 25 RBIs, but he has made some strides lately, batting .270 in June and .289 in July. The Cubs might have to expand the deal by sending a major league infielder back to Cleveland if Chisenhall is dealt.

 

[FirstTimer]

Apparently, during discussion with Cleveland, the Cubs insisted on them including young third baseman Lonnie Chisenhall. He'd be a nice get for the Cubs.

Send Barney

 

[SilenceS]

Paying Garza wouldn't make him the staff Ace. Pitching is at a premium in this league. Teams don't give up top of the rotation pitchers much. I don't know why you think the Cubs wont have a problem replacing him. The cubs have no one to replace him and no FA are top of the rotation. Garza is a gamer. He is a competitor. People completely over value Wood. He is a 4 or 5 at best and people keep thinking he is going to be a solid 3. I don't see it. Nothing wrong with what Wood is, but he is not a guy I would want in the playoffs. So, my question is how do you replace Garza. Cubs have nothing in the farm above A. The ones they have in A don't even really project to be Garza. Also, the whole injury thing is over played. He has been injured once. People act like he has been injured numerous times. If the package is right, I am okay with it. If it is a meh package just to get rid of him then I am not fine with it. The Cubs are a big market. They have to start acting like it sooner or later. Having a bad Cubs team next year should not be ok with anyone.

 

[chibears55]

UPDATE 4 (1:02pm CT): A big one.*Joe Davidson of the Sacramento Bee*(who reference’s Garza’s Freso connection, in case you’re wondering why someone in Sacramento would be reporting on this) says that a Cubs/Rangers deal is “99 percent done,” with the medicals now being evaluated. Davidson says there are six players involved, but that doesn’t mean it’s Garza for five players. It could be just about any combination. The medical step with Garza, who has had that stress reaction in his elbow, reportedly related to a screw that was placed there as a kid, isn’t totally perfunctory. In other words, the deal could be “99 percent done” and still kinda-sorta not be a “done deal,” if that makes sense. Not solely because of the medicals, mind you, but that’s a factor.

 

[brett05]

Having a bad Cubs team next year should not be ok with anyone.

I'll be good with it.

 

[dabynsky]

The Garza and another Cub for four Rangers prospects seems to be getting a lot of play right now. Please just be over soon so I can start overanalyzing what actually happened instead of all these whispers.

 

[chibears55]

The Garza and another Cub for four Rangers prospects seems to be getting a lot of play right now. Please just be over soon so I can start overanalyzing what actually happened instead of all these whispers.

Have to figure its a RH bat involved maybe Navarr, though they dont need a 3rd catcher..
have to think if its soriano, it wouldve been leaked..

 

[FirstTimer]

UPDATE 4 (1:02pm CT): A big one.*Joe Davidson of the Sacramento Bee*(who reference’s Garza’s Freso connection, in case you’re wondering why someone in Sacramento would be reporting on this) says that a Cubs/Rangers deal is “99 percent done,” with the medicals now being evaluated. Davidson says there are six players involved, but that doesn’t mean it’s Garza for five players. It could be just about any combination. The medical step with Garza, who has had that stress reaction in his elbow, reportedly related to a screw that was placed there as a kid, isn’t totally perfunctory. In other words, the deal could be “99 percent done” and still kinda-sorta not be a “done deal,” if that makes sense. Not solely because of the medicals, mind you, but that’s a factor.

Davidson is a legit source.

 

[CSF77]

Have to figure its a RH bat involved maybe Navarr, though they dont need a 3rd catcher..
have to think if its soriano, it wouldve been leaked..

Never know. Would make sense and the hold up is over amount of cash sent over in the deal.

 

[SilenceS]

Sources: Matt Garza the focus of Texas Rangers, Chicago Cubs trade talks; Mike Olt included in proposal
By Gerry Fraley

The Texas Rangers are focusing on obtaining right-hander Matt Garza from the Chicago Cubs. According to two major-league officials, the Rangers are proposing one major-league ready player (third baseman Mike Olt, with Triple-A Round Rock) with two other minor-leaguers to be identified.

Based on a Friday-morning message on Garza’s Twitter account, he appears to prefer staying with the Cubs.

RT @Gdeuceswild: In Denver, but for how long? I hope the whole series!#gocubsgo

The Cubs open a series at Colorado on Friday night. Garza is scheduled to make his first start of the second half on Monday at Arizona. Garza, eligible for free agency after the season, has expressed a desire to sign a long-term deal with the Cubs.

The lower-level minor leaguers are to be determined.

One could come from the Rangers’ glut of middle infielders. That group includes Leury Garcia, Luis Sardinas and Rougned Odor.

The other would be a pitcher. The top candidates are right-handers: Neil Ramirez, with Double-A Frisco and C.J. Edwards with low Class A Hickory.

Ramirez has “turned a corner,” Rangers general manager Jon Daniels said on Thursday and has re-established himself as a top prospect. The drawback is that Ramirez has only one option year remaining.

Edwards has not been on a 40-man major-league roster and therefore has three option years remaining. Edwards, 21, is 8-2 with a 1.83 ERA and 122 strikeouts in 93 1/3 innings with low Class A Hickory.

The Cubs like the Rangers’ minor-league system. The teams did business at this time last year, and the Cubs received a pair of minor-leaguers, third baseman Christian Villanueva and right-hander Kyle Hendricks, for rental right-hander Ryan Dempster.

Villanueva and Hendricks both appeared in the Class AA Southern League All-Star Game this week. Dempster signed with Boston as a free agent after last season. If traded, Garza could return to the Cubs as a free agent after this season.

http://rangersblog.dallasnews.com/2013/07/texas-rangers-target-garza-hopes-to-remain-with-cubs.html/

 

[JosMin]

Several tweets from sports folks in the Phoenix area essentially confirm that the D-Backs bowed out before making their final offer, as the asking price was "too high". With the Joe Davidson tweet from about an hour ago, all signs are pointing to a trade with Texas being a foregone conclusion.

 

[DewsSox79]

But wouldn;t it be better for the Cubs to keep Garza got that very reason?

Or were you answering it from the Rangers perspective? LOL. Good one.

no. You will be overpaying him if you extend him. Do you want to pay anibal like money to a NON ace when you are still rebuilding? The guy will be 31 when they might start to contend. Its a waste of money and he doesnt figure into the plans for the future. The only way I can see them extending him is if the cubs brass feels that pies in the face are worth the contract.