Garza To Rangers -- Olt, Edwards, Grimm to Chi (Post 607)

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I think you missed the point I was saying. What you just said is exactly my issue with it. All he has given us is a little more definitive statement of the latest rumors from three or four reputable sources. He could turn out to be right, but I still don't buy that this guy is any sort of insider.

I get you.
 

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This gets into the various things that I have been hearing. Garza is not an elite starting pitcher, but he is the best pitcher for right now that is available. But he is a rental. But rentals last year netted legitimate prospects anyway. So yeah I just want the actual deal to be announced and analyze that instead of the various tweets about done deals.

Josh Davidson seems to have insider knowledge with Garza. Seems like the Rangers aren't looking at this as a rental in the end. Maybe it turns out that way, but it seems they want to sign him before he hits the market.
 

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Josh Davidson seems to have insider knowledge with Garza. Seems like the Rangers aren't looking at this as a rental in the end. Maybe it turns out that way, but it seems they want to sign him before he hits the market.

So maybe Anibal Sanchez might be a better comp at last year's deadline, but the problem is that Sanchez was traded with another useful player in Omar Infante. So perhaps the deal is 2 for 4 instead of 1 for 5.
 

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Neil Ramirez isn’t Nuke LaLoosh, but you’d be forgiven for making the mistake. He’s got a million dollar arm all right, but more than a five cent head. If you’re unfamiliar with Neil’s journey through the Rangers farm system, just envision the evil architecture of the neighboring Judge Roy Scream. It’s been a ride; ups, downs, and everything in between. Originally the 44th pick overall in the 2007 draft (a pick courtesy of the departed Gary Matthews Jr), the 24 year old Virginia Beach native made hay with his 10.6K/9 in his first stint in pro ball for our beloved Spokane Indians. Of course his 5.9BB/9 showed everyone there was work to be done. Following a productive and steady 2010 in Hickory, 2011 was when the NeRa ride really began. Chosen to be Myrtle Beach’s opening day starter, Ramirez struck out 9 guys in 4.2 innings, and was promptly promoted to Frisco…after one game. Following 6 starts for Frisco, and 8BB/24K over 19ip, he was promoted again, this time to the undershelf of the big leagues, AAA. Over 18 starts for Round Rock, Neil threw 74.1 innings, walking 35 hitters while striking out 86. At this point, Neil had more helium around him than I inhaled the summer I worked at Hobby Lobby. But just like with balloons and altered voices, what goes up, must come down. And sometimes it comes down hard. Let’s just stick with the numbers for 2012, maybe that will convey the point and dull the pain enough to be palatable: 27 starts, 123.1ip, 86er, 46bb, 108K, 11hbp, 11wp, 18hr allowed, 6.28 ERA…and a mid-season demotion back to Frisco. Thud.

It was mental. There, I said it. It was mental. Neil has a great arm. He’s always had a great arm, but as I try to tell everybody, these kids are no different than any other kids on the planet; they all grow and mature at different rates. Speaking of the arm, let’s get into that, he wasn’t a first round pick because he wears matching shoes. Neil’s FB has been sitting 92-95 and has touched as high as 98 in 2013. He’ll get some run on it as well. Once ranked by Baseball America as the best curveball in the entire system, the CB has fallen behind the CH in terms of nastiness, this season at least. The CH is, IMO, his best secondary offering now. It comes out of his hand exactly like the FB, but sits 84-86 and has nice arm-side fade. He and I have talked about the emergence of his CH several times this season, he loves the pitch and will throw it to both righties and lefties and he’ll pitch backwards with it as well. The SL can also be an out pitch for him, but lately, he’s kinda been using that as a show-me type offering to set up the CH or the FB. A few times a game, he’ll still snap off a vintage Neil Ramirez CB that will make you happy, but it’ll sometimes get too loopy and hang too. Regardless, the entire gist of this paragraph is to tell you that Neil Ramirez throws a FB/CH/CB/SL and all 4 of them are good/decent pitches.

So he’s been working very hard in 2013 on the mental side of the game, and it’s starting to show. His last outing in Frisco was his best of the season. Not in terms of dominance, I’ve seen him be filthy at times this season, but in terms of growth. In 2013, Neil’s thrown 92 innings, walking 38 and striking out 113, third most in all of MiLB. Opponents are hitting .196 against him and only 6 of his pitches have left the yard. He’s dominating the Texas League, but by the end of his outing Friday night, I was grinning like a cat. After allowing 4 ER including a HR, all in the second inning, Neil buckled down and threw 4 scoreless innings, striking out 5 of the last 6 batters he faced. It was a huge step and I told him so the next day, and he seemed genuinely happy about it. The kid has been working hard and has openly discussed his efforts to eliminate negative thoughts and possible outcomes while trying to simply focus on the process. Control what you can control. Sounds easy, but isn’t. Oh, and another thing, I’ve asked him point blank and I’ve written it before, but he likes pitching out of the pen as well. He’s got a starter’s arsenal and build (6’4” 200lbs), but as the kids like to say “IJS”. I have no idea if his future is as a starter or out of the pen, or if it involves a 911 with a quadrophonic Blaupunkt, but I know his 2013 is already a helluva lot better than his 2012, and for that, the young man deserves some credit.

UPDATE: Neil was scratched from his scheduled start tonight for Frisco in Corpus. I'm not sure why and we're still awaiting the reason. Could be any number of possibilities, honestly.

UPDATE 2: Neil was scratched from his start on Thursday because of shoulder soreness. [sigh] He's not on the DL as of now, and hopefully it will subside quickly.

http://www.lonestarball.com/2013/7/11/4513080/neil-ramirez-a-developing-story

Well, lets hope we are not buying damage goods because I am almost positive this guy is involved unless his medicals are bad.
 

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Neil Ramirez isn’t Nuke LaLoosh, but you’d be forgiven for making the mistake. He’s got a million dollar arm all right, but more than a five cent head. If you’re unfamiliar with Neil’s journey through the Rangers farm system, just envision the evil architecture of the neighboring Judge Roy Scream. It’s been a ride; ups, downs, and everything in between. Originally the 44th pick overall in the 2007 draft (a pick courtesy of the departed Gary Matthews Jr), the 24 year old Virginia Beach native made hay with his 10.6K/9 in his first stint in pro ball for our beloved Spokane Indians. Of course his 5.9BB/9 showed everyone there was work to be done. Following a productive and steady 2010 in Hickory, 2011 was when the NeRa ride really began. Chosen to be Myrtle Beach’s opening day starter, Ramirez struck out 9 guys in 4.2 innings, and was promptly promoted to Frisco…after one game. Following 6 starts for Frisco, and 8BB/24K over 19ip, he was promoted again, this time to the undershelf of the big leagues, AAA. Over 18 starts for Round Rock, Neil threw 74.1 innings, walking 35 hitters while striking out 86. At this point, Neil had more helium around him than I inhaled the summer I worked at Hobby Lobby. But just like with balloons and altered voices, what goes up, must come down. And sometimes it comes down hard. Let’s just stick with the numbers for 2012, maybe that will convey the point and dull the pain enough to be palatable: 27 starts, 123.1ip, 86er, 46bb, 108K, 11hbp, 11wp, 18hr allowed, 6.28 ERA…and a mid-season demotion back to Frisco. Thud.

It was mental. There, I said it. It was mental. Neil has a great arm. He’s always had a great arm, but as I try to tell everybody, these kids are no different than any other kids on the planet; they all grow and mature at different rates. Speaking of the arm, let’s get into that, he wasn’t a first round pick because he wears matching shoes. Neil’s FB has been sitting 92-95 and has touched as high as 98 in 2013. He’ll get some run on it as well. Once ranked by Baseball America as the best curveball in the entire system, the CB has fallen behind the CH in terms of nastiness, this season at least. The CH is, IMO, his best secondary offering now. It comes out of his hand exactly like the FB, but sits 84-86 and has nice arm-side fade. He and I have talked about the emergence of his CH several times this season, he loves the pitch and will throw it to both righties and lefties and he’ll pitch backwards with it as well. The SL can also be an out pitch for him, but lately, he’s kinda been using that as a show-me type offering to set up the CH or the FB. A few times a game, he’ll still snap off a vintage Neil Ramirez CB that will make you happy, but it’ll sometimes get too loopy and hang too. Regardless, the entire gist of this paragraph is to tell you that Neil Ramirez throws a FB/CH/CB/SL and all 4 of them are good/decent pitches.

So he’s been working very hard in 2013 on the mental side of the game, and it’s starting to show. His last outing in Frisco was his best of the season. Not in terms of dominance, I’ve seen him be filthy at times this season, but in terms of growth. In 2013, Neil’s thrown 92 innings, walking 38 and striking out 113, third most in all of MiLB. Opponents are hitting .196 against him and only 6 of his pitches have left the yard. He’s dominating the Texas League, but by the end of his outing Friday night, I was grinning like a cat. After allowing 4 ER including a HR, all in the second inning, Neil buckled down and threw 4 scoreless innings, striking out 5 of the last 6 batters he faced. It was a huge step and I told him so the next day, and he seemed genuinely happy about it. The kid has been working hard and has openly discussed his efforts to eliminate negative thoughts and possible outcomes while trying to simply focus on the process. Control what you can control. Sounds easy, but isn’t. Oh, and another thing, I’ve asked him point blank and I’ve written it before, but he likes pitching out of the pen as well. He’s got a starter’s arsenal and build (6’4” 200lbs), but as the kids like to say “IJS”. I have no idea if his future is as a starter or out of the pen, or if it involves a 911 with a quadrophonic Blaupunkt, but I know his 2013 is already a helluva lot better than his 2012, and for that, the young man deserves some credit.

UPDATE: Neil was scratched from his scheduled start tonight for Frisco in Corpus. I'm not sure why and we're still awaiting the reason. Could be any number of possibilities, honestly.

UPDATE 2: Neil was scratched from his start on Thursday because of shoulder soreness. [sigh] He's not on the DL as of now, and hopefully it will subside quickly.

http://www.lonestarball.com/2013/7/11/4513080/neil-ramirez-a-developing-story

Well, lets hope we are not buying damage goods because I am almost positive this guy is involved unless his medicals are bad
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That could explain the delay as well.
 

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C'mon the suspense is killing me here... still wouldn't be pissed if we just resigned him.
 

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C'mon the suspense is killing me here... still wouldn't be pissed if we just resigned him.

No chance of that happening at this point.
 

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Ruh Roh!

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Garza still here. In uniform. Just got done throwing in pen.
 

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Ruh Roh!

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Garza still here. In uniform. Just got done throwing in pen.
If the deal isn't 100% done, why wouldn't he be dressing as a Cub and keeping his arm in shape?
 

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If the deal isn't 100% done, why wouldn't he be dressing as a Cub and keeping his arm in shape?

As long as he is part of the team, they will keep him on his routine that he would normally be on. IF the trade is not done by Monday night, you would want him to be ready to take the mound. I still think that he will be gone by then in any case.
 

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Wittenmeyer just tweeted that an NL team might still be in play for Garza, per a Cubs official.
 

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Wittenmeyer just tweeted that an NL team might still be in play for Garza, per a Cubs official.

Sounds like a last-ditch effort to get a better prospect from the Rangers, to me. :shrug:
 

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JIM BOWDEN ‏@JimBowdenESPNxm 2m The Rangers - Cubs...Matt Garza deal will get done and Neil Ramirez will be center piece according to source

If Neil Ramirez really is the centerpiece, I'm pissed.
 

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JIM BOWDEN ‏@JimBowdenESPNxm 2m The Rangers - Cubs...Matt Garza deal will get done and Neil Ramirez will be center piece according to source

If Neil Ramirez really is the centerpiece, I'm pissed.

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RT @ProfessorParks Neil Ramirez might be in Garza deal, but if he's centerpiece of the deal (which I doubt), the Cubs are getting sodomized.
 

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So do we have any clue what or how many pieces we have coming back?
 

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Neil Rameriz has been scratched from start tonight



Also here scouting reports on 2 pitchers Cubs wanting which i dont get

17) C.J. Edwards, RHP, Grade C+: Very high upside arm came out of nowhere to dominate short-season ball, thanks to mechanical refinement and sudden step forward with secondary pitches. Not bad for a previously obscure 48th round pick.

18) Neil Ramirez, RHP, Grade C+: Tough to get a handle on after wildly erratic season, failed in Triple-A and was spotty after going down to Double-A though sometimes effective. I have been very high on him in the past but he might do better with a change of scenery. Trade bait?

http://www.minorleagueball.com/2012/12/29/3815628/texas-rangers-top-20-prospects-for-2013


Link to page i looking at^^^

So Cubs going after number 17 and 18 best prospects of TEX.
 

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Neil Rameriz has been scratched from start tonight



Also here scouting reports on 2 pitchers Cubs wanting which i dont get

17) C.J. Edwards, RHP, Grade C+: Very high upside arm came out of nowhere to dominate short-season ball, thanks to mechanical refinement and sudden step forward with secondary pitches. Not bad for a previously obscure 48th round pick.

18) Neil Ramirez, RHP, Grade C+: Tough to get a handle on after wildly erratic season, failed in Triple-A and was spotty after going down to Double-A though sometimes effective. I have been very high on him in the past but he might do better with a change of scenery. Trade bait?

http://www.minorleagueball.com/2012/12/29/3815628/texas-rangers-top-20-prospects-for-2013


Link to page i looking at^^^

So Cubs going after number 17 and 18 best prospects of TEX.
If that's the centerpieces then this deal is no Bueno.
 

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