Greatest team ever/Greatest bulls team ever

[y2ktors]

No. Its the precedent. You act like all these players traveled down the same path when they didn't. The best way to compare players is what they do in similar situations. Kobe Bryant won his championships cuz he had the best talent in the league. Certainly not because of his ability to take over games. He shot a terrible % in all his fianls excepr 1. He scores a lot of points cuz he takes a lot of shots. And he's not or was never asked to do everything on the court pippen did.

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[RamiTheBullsFan]

Idiots say that he played like pippen. It wasn't his offense that was the problem, it was his defense. Jason terry and jose berea got into the lane whenever they felt like it and were sticking jumpers in his face. If james really played like pippen he'd have a ring. There's more ways to win a basketball game than just scoring.

He did play like Pippen. The only real difference was that LeBron was a bigger threat offensively, except he didn't close to be. LeBron played very good defense in the Finals on most occasions. Dallas happens to be a very potent team offensively. LeBron is not as good of a defender as Pippen but he also didn't benefit from the rules as much as Pippen either.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

Kobe Bryant one championships as the best player on his team and the go-to guy. It was practically impossible for Pippen to have won in the same fashion as Kobe.

 

[97Bulls]

Pippen was asked to back up Jordan...to make Jordan's job easier...that was harder than Kobe's job? I don't think so. Pippen was never asked to be the closer, to be the main guy...not while Jordan was there. Kobe has more talent so he was asked to do what you ask great players to do who are franchise players.

Kobe just happened to be top2 or 3 player in the league if not the best in the league when he won those titles. HE was the franchise player. You can say the same for Magic and Bird. They had the best talent in the league. But those teams would not have been championship caliber without the franchise players. Kobe took over games routinely. He was the closer. Pippen was never a closer, that is my point. B.J. and Kukoc don't take big shots in big games with Kobe on the floor...never would have happened. Kobe was the closer on 6 title runs...whether he did well or failed, he was overqualified for the job. Can't say that about Pippen.

Its also a bad comparison because Kobe is a better all around player than Pippen was. Kobe is talked about in comparison to Jordan, not Pippen...

Can't believe someone is discrediting Kobe, who is/was a better player than Pippen to prove a point.

What are we arguing here? I think we need to find a common ground as to what constitutes a franchise player. What is your definition of a franchise player? And please think carefully and watch what you say, cuz I'm gonna call you on it.

The reason I ask is cuz a lot of the players you consider franchise players, don't even meet your own criteria. Like lebron james. He's never lead a team to a title. Why is he a franchise player?

Or kevin garnett. He's never lead a team to a title. And he's not a "closer".

Is the your definition of a franchise player, a player that's has avg 30 ppg in a season? If so, players like magic , and duncan aren't either.

What's your definition?

 

[97Bulls]

He did play like Pippen. The only real difference was that LeBron was a bigger threat offensively, except he didn't close to be. LeBron played very good defense in the Finals on most occasions. Dallas happens to be a very potent team offensively. LeBron is not as good of a defender as Pippen but he also didn't benefit from the rules as much as Pippen either.

What if pippen played in todays league, what would he avg on a ppg basis?

 

[nwfisch]

What if pippen played in todays league, what would he avg on a ppg basis?

I'm so sick of talking about Scottie Pippen.

He didn't win a title as a leading man, he played very well as the 2nd option in the Bulls offense. He played well as the first option in the offense.

 

[97Bulls]

Kobe Bryant one championships as the best player on his team and the go-to guy. It was practically impossible for Pippen to have won in the same fashion as Kobe.

Kobe bryant has played in 6 nba finals, what were his fg% in them?

 

[97Bulls]

I'm so sick of talking about Scottie Pippen.

He didn't win a title as a leading man, he played very well as the 2nd option in the Bulls offense. He played well as the first option in the offense.

Lol why is this directed only at me? What about rami, hugh, and SP94?

 

[nwfisch]

Lol why is this directed only at me? What about rami, hugh, and SP94?

You asked a question about Pippen, and I quoted it.

:umad:

Go ahead, I ain't Mad at cha.

 

[houheffna]

What are we arguing here? I think we need to find a common ground as to what constitutes a franchise player. What is your definition of a franchise player? And please think carefully and watch what you say, cuz I'm gonna call you on it.

The reason I ask is cuz a lot of the players you consider franchise players, don't even meet your own criteria. Like lebron james. He's never lead a team to a title. Why is he a franchise player?

Or kevin garnett. He's never lead a team to a title. And he's not a "closer".

Is the your definition of a franchise player, a player that's has avg 30 ppg in a season? If so, players like magic , and duncan aren't either.

What's your definition?

There is no clear cut definition for a franchise player...its like porn. You know it when you see it.

 

[houheffna]

Lol why is this directed only at me? What about rami, hugh, and SP94?

You know what? I don't have to talk about Pippen at all...case dismissed.

 

[97Bulls]

You asked a question about Pippen, and I quoted it.

:umad:

Go ahead, I ain't Mad at cha.

And the question was with regard to something rami said. I want to see how consistant he can be.

 

[97Bulls]

There is no clear cut definition for a franchise player...its like porn. You know it when you see it.

I didn't ask for any other definition of a franchise player besides your own. That's all I want. Then I can use it as a measurement.

 

[97Bulls]

You know what? I don't have to talk about Pippen at all...case dismissed.

Fine, just please give us your definition of a franchise player.

 

[RamiTheBullsFan]

A franchise player is simply known as somebody who could put people in the seats. The definition is broad and open to interpretation. The point about Pippen is that he could not be a #1 scoring option on a team and win a championship. Guys like Kevin Garnett were good enough to be that and win a title. Unfortunately for KG, his best supporting cast in Minnesota was Sprewell, Cassell, Hassell, and Olowokandi.

KG was a guy who could, once upon a time, score with the very best in the league and demanded the ball.

 

[nwfisch]

Scottie Pippen was never a franchise player for the Bulls.

 

[scottiepippen1994]

The 1996 Bulls team was the best ever.

 

[FirstTimer]

Corey Brewer>>>>>>>>>>.Pippen

 

[scottiepippen1994]

Corey Brewer>>>>>>>>>>.Pippen

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[houheffna]

I didn't ask for any other definition of a franchise player besides your own. That's all I want. Then I can use it as a measurement.

That is my definition...I know it when I see it...