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Yes, according to this threads rules, only Scottie Pippen isn't allowed to be called a franchise player.
Yes, according to this threads rules, only Scottie Pippen isn't allowed to be called a franchise player.
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Scottie Pippen himself doesn't believe he was a franchise player.
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Scottie Pippen himself doesn't believe he was a franchise player.
Oh yeah?, show me a link where Scottie actually says this.
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Kobe was a franchise player early in his career in my opinion. He had to grow into it. He came into the league trying to be Jordan...
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Kobe is a franchise player...Pippen is not.
Like Hou said, you know a franchise player when you see one. Pippen was NEVER regarded by any team as being a franchise player.
Like Hou said, you know a franchise player when you see one. Pippen was NEVER regarded by any team as being a franchise player.
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He says Michael Jordan was the greatest.
He doesn't say he wasn't a franchise player.
Nice try son.
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THE REASON THEY CALL IT A FRANCHISE PLAYER IS BECAUSE IT IS ONE GUY WHO A TEAM IS BUILT AROUND.
Jesus Christ, Sp94 is dense.
Jesus Christ, Sp94 is dense.
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To be fair, Pippen didn't have much time as "the guy" to have a team built around him.
Like I say in the other thread. The question isn't so much "was" Pippen a franchise player but "could he have been".
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Yes, that is true that he could have been a franchise player. But he wasn't.
And I'm sure nobody is happier than Pippen that wasn't the case because it allowed him to win 6 rings as opposed to probably none on some other team.
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Even then it's a tough call. The Bulls obviously were going to try and continue to buid around Pippen once MJ retired. So did the Bulls try and build around Pippen? Of course. By that narrow definition I guess he is a franchise player but that was such a short window of time that it's tough to judge results of what that building would have done and if the Pippen as a franchise player experience would have worked.
I lean more "yes" than "no" on the Pippen as a franchise player. I guess I'd slot him in the second tier of "franchise players" behind the obvious ones like Bird, Magic, MJ, Russell, etc.
If that makes any sense.
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I mean... was he a caliber player of being a franchise man? Absolutely. Would he have probably been able to win a championship in that role? Nope.
I pretty much hear what you're saying though.
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Good point.
If the argument is "could of been?", then YES of course Pip could of been a franchise player.
He was extremly skilled in every catagory of the game, a leader, talented and athletic enough to be a franchise playor for sure.
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Is a ring a requirement to be a franchise player in general? Are their tiers of franchise players?
It's not an easy yes or no question.
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Could he have been had he not played with Jordan first?
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I lean "no" there.
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It makes all the sense in the world bro.
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Personally I think with the right roster around Pippen he could of won a ring or 2.
This argument is based on oppinion because in reality what's done is done and noone will ever know.
90% of all Hall of Famers could be considered franchise players and Pippen is in the 90% in my opinion based on the large Bulls game collection which I consider proof if you actually watch everthing Pippen did to make the team better.
Pippen was definately in the top ten of all the players that came and went in the 1990s.
Being in the top ten of hundreds or thousands of players in a decade is pretty dam impressive to me.
Especially when it is tougher to achieve that kind of status being overshadowed by Michael Jordan.
Through it all, Pippen made a name and rep for himself being callled one of the greatest defenders and all around player in history.......Another argument can be made about how many rings Jordan would of had without Pippen.
There were so many great championship Caliber teams in the 90s (Rockets, Knicks,Suns, blazers, jazz, sonics, Magic, Pacers etc...) that Taking Pippen off those 90s teams could of realistically made Jordan the greatest player in history to never get a ring..
Clde Drexler would of been just that..
Like Clyde, Jordan may have had to move to another team at an old age and become a "Tonto" to one of my above listed teams franchise player in order to get a ring.
This argument is based on oppinion because in reality what's done is done and noone will ever know.
90% of all Hall of Famers could be considered franchise players and Pippen is in the 90% in my opinion based on the large Bulls game collection which I consider proof if you actually watch everthing Pippen did to make the team better.
Pippen was definately in the top ten of all the players that came and went in the 1990s.
Being in the top ten of hundreds or thousands of players in a decade is pretty dam impressive to me.
Especially when it is tougher to achieve that kind of status being overshadowed by Michael Jordan.
Through it all, Pippen made a name and rep for himself being callled one of the greatest defenders and all around player in history.......Another argument can be made about how many rings Jordan would of had without Pippen.
There were so many great championship Caliber teams in the 90s (Rockets, Knicks,Suns, blazers, jazz, sonics, Magic, Pacers etc...) that Taking Pippen off those 90s teams could of realistically made Jordan the greatest player in history to never get a ring..
Clde Drexler would of been just that..
Like Clyde, Jordan may have had to move to another team at an old age and become a "Tonto" to one of my above listed teams franchise player in order to get a ring.
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No, a ring obviously isn't a requirement. Tracy McGrady, Steve Francis, and others like them had teams built around them.
The reason Pippen wasn't a franchise player is simply because he never had a team constructed around him to be the main attraction. It's not saying he is not good enough to be one. He just wasn't in that situation.
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Well by Rami's own rules you are wrong. Kobe was not a franchise player early in his career as the team was not built around him. It was built around Shaq. Kobe was drafted as a piece to Shaq's Lakers.
Sorry, as Rami said the "team has to be built around you to be a franchise player" and the Lakers first 3 championship teams were not built around Kobe.
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