Hawks vs Unintentionally Tanking IGT (Rest of the year)

[Diehardfan]

I would argue Seabs fell off a cliff faster.... he was a legit #2 D man and both he and Keith could anchor a D pairing.

Yeah, he's dropped like an anchor as well. But his seems to be more physical....I mean he was never fast, but he's like a statue now. Keith's play just reeks of stupidity. Sure, he's lost a step but the turnovers caused by his boneheaded passing is just beyond belief.

 

[Ares]

Yeah, he's dropped like an anchor as well. But his seems to be more physical....I mean he was never fast, but he's like a statue now. Keith's play just reeks of stupidity. Sure, he's lost a step but the turnovers caused by his boneheaded passing is just beyond belief.

I agree on those points but I would argue Seabs dropped off mentally as well.

But Keith's mental drop off has been crazy bad.

Keith doesn't look physically like he is too slow to play, though probably not a #1 anymore.

 

[Diehardfan]

Hawks have to be the worst passing team in the NHL...the game they play this year is butt ugly. Glad I didn't invest in any time or money on seeing this crap live....it's painful enough on TV.

 

[anotheridiot]

Hawks have to be the worst passing team in the NHL...the game they play this year is butt ugly. Glad I didn't invest in any time or money on seeing this crap live....it's painful enough on TV.

I am really amazed at these guys, blue line to blue line, they cant get the passes close to the tape. its reaching back or kicking to the stick, but those last two minutes of the passing in the offensive zone were very good. I mean I know it started for me, oh great, here comes an empty netter for carolina when the d pairing was seabrook and keith, two and a half minutes of puck possession and carolina needed another 3 seconds to have gotten one to the empty net.

 

[Ares]

Hawks have to be the worst passing team in the NHL...the game they play this year is butt ugly. Glad I didn't invest in any time or money on seeing this crap live....it's painful enough on TV.

I am really amazed at these guys, blue line to blue line, they cant get the passes close to the tape. its reaching back or kicking to the stick, but those last two minutes of the passing in the offensive zone were very good. I mean I know it started for me, oh great, here comes an empty netter for carolina when the d pairing was seabrook and keith, two and a half minutes of puck possession and carolina needed another 3 seconds to have gotten one to the empty net.

I want to point out that this is a problem the Hawks have had for quite a long time....

They had this problem with passing even when they were winning the last 2 Cups.

They would get into these modes where they could not make nor receive passes and it would devolve into this hot pucktato game of just throwing the puck anywhere to try to get it off your stick before being hit/tied up.

Now in the past it would happen for a period or a game, or maybe a short stretch of games.... and sometimes they could still win because they would play defense and Crow would stand on his head and the stars on the team would still manage to put up some goals.

Now it is this glaring "Wtf are u guys doing?" problem that persists game to game and there are these sparse moments where it subsides.

The Hawks passing has always been inconsistent and I think it is the reason our PP has always struggled or had periods where they struggled.... because our PP seems to require 3-5 perfect passes in order to score.

 

[Bigfoot]

Damn u cold af.

Maybe we can trade a 1st for Hammer in a few years once he is old/useless.

Bigfoot and I were discussing the Stan Bowman trades and it is hard to find ones that he's "won".

Vermette for a 1st.... you could argue he won that rental trade because we won the Cup.

Timmonen for a 2nd.... I would argue he lost because Timmonen was useless and was not needed to win that Cup.

I have been scrolling thru the entire list for the last 4-5 years.... alot of bad trades that kept getting worse...

http://www.nhltradetracker.com/user/trade_list_by_team/Chicago_Blackhawks/1

Ok I mean it is a cap move.... but Daley could be a nice piece.... cap sux but we gotta do what we gotta do.... who knows on this Garbutt dude.

Well this sucks but Daley didn't fit Q's system.... maybe Scuderi can salvage something...

Umm who and who?

Gj Stan

 

[Raskolnikov]

Can we commit team seppuku with our blades on the United Center ice and sell that?

 

[anotheridiot]

I want to point out that this is a problem the Hawks have had for quite a long time....

They had this problem with passing even when they were winning the last 2 Cups.

They would get into these modes where they could not make nor receive passes and it would devolve into this hot pucktato game of just throwing the puck anywhere to try to get it off your stick before being hit/tied up.

Now in the past it would happen for a period or a game, or maybe a short stretch of games.... and sometimes they could still win because they would play defense and Crow would stand on his head and the stars on the team would still manage to put up some goals.

Now it is this glaring "Wtf are u guys doing?" problem that persists game to game and there are these sparse moments where it subsides.

The Hawks passing has always been inconsistent and I think it is the reason our PP has always struggled or had periods where they struggled.... because our PP seems to require 3-5 perfect passes in order to score.

Well this entire year with our D it has seemed more like get if off my stick so nobody just takes it away from me and is alone vs the goaltender.

Burish always brings up the fact that the hawks are just too easy to play against over this streak. This clear the puck thru the middle worked when teams always thought they were clearing against the boards like everyone else tries to do, but you go to the boards and you usually get hit, and it Keith and Seabrook wont take those hits, being A's and all, why should the young guys? Monkey see monkey do right? Play like the two vets that have been here forever and play more than anyone else.

 

[Diehardfan]

I want to point out that this is a problem the Hawks have had for quite a long time....

They had this problem with passing even when they were winning the last 2 Cups.

They would get into these modes where they could not make nor receive passes and it would devolve into this hot pucktato game of just throwing the puck anywhere to try to get it off your stick before being hit/tied up.

Now in the past it would happen for a period or a game, or maybe a short stretch of games.... and sometimes they could still win because they would play defense and Crow would stand on his head and the stars on the team would still manage to put up some goals.

Now it is this glaring "Wtf are u guys doing?" problem that persists game to game and there are these sparse moments where it subsides.

The Hawks passing has always been inconsistent and I think it is the reason our PP has always struggled or had periods where they struggled.... because our PP seems to require 3-5 perfect passes in order to score.

The highlighted line above tells the whole story....except this year you can count on one hand the times they moved the puck crisply. This year and a good portion of last year it's completely reversed as the piss poor passing/poor puck control games FAR out number the games when they played the good possession game that they became famous for. Lot's of reasons for this but IMOP it lies mostly with the players they now have and little with their coaching. You don't win 3 Cups in 5 years and coach over 1600 games then suddenly wake up one morning stupid. They won't admit it but they are rebuilding, unfortunately these bad contracts are slowing down what they can do.

 

[Tater]

I want to point out that this is a problem the Hawks have had for quite a long time....

They had this problem with passing even when they were winning the last 2 Cups.

They would get into these modes where they could not make nor receive passes and it would devolve into this hot pucktato game of just throwing the puck anywhere to try to get it off your stick before being hit/tied up.

Now in the past it would happen for a period or a game, or maybe a short stretch of games.... and sometimes they could still win because they would play defense and Crow would stand on his head and the stars on the team would still manage to put up some goals.

Now it is this glaring "Wtf are u guys doing?" problem that persists game to game and there are these sparse moments where it subsides.

The Hawks passing has always been inconsistent and I think it is the reason our PP has always struggled or had periods where they struggled.... because our PP seems to require 3-5 perfect passes in order to score.

Well this entire year with our D it has seemed more like get if off my stick so nobody just takes it away from me and is alone vs the goaltender.

Burish always brings up the fact that the hawks are just too easy to play against over this streak. This clear the puck thru the middle worked when teams always thought they were clearing against the boards like everyone else tries to do, but you go to the boards and you usually get hit, and it Keith and Seabrook wont take those hits, being A's and all, why should the young guys? Monkey see monkey do right? Play like the two vets that have been here forever and play more than anyone else.

The highlighted line above tells the whole story....except this year you can count on one hand the times they moved the puck crisply. This year and a good portion of last year it's completely reversed as the piss poor passing/poor puck control games FAR out number the games when they played the good possession game that they became famous for. Lot's of reasons for this but IMOP it lies mostly with the players they now have and little with their coaching. You don't win 3 Cups in 5 years and coach over 1600 games then suddenly wake up one morning stupid. They won't admit it but they are rebuilding, unfortunately these bad contracts are slowing down what they can do.

Great posts and assessments.

 

[Ares]

Great posts and assessments.

If only I were as good at murdering you...

 

[MassHavoc]

So we all agree this season sucked because we didn't have Crow....

 

[Ares]

So we all agree this season sucked because we didn't have Crow....

I feel Hossa was a bigger loss than we consider.

I truly think his work ethic had been raising the floor for the Hawks.

How can you drag ass without shame when the oldest dude on the team is out working you every fucking shift?

Lack of Hossa has hurt our team work ethic.

 

[LordKOTL]

So we all agree this season sucked because we didn't have Crow....

That and the core sucks this year like Monica Lewinski at a White House Christmas dinner.

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[Tater]

I feel Hossa was a bigger loss than we consider.

I truly think his work ethic had been raising the floor for the Hawks.

How can you drag ass without shame when the oldest dude on the team is out working you every fucking shift?

Lack of Hossa has hurt our team work ethic.

Exactly. I've been saying the same thing to my wife during games. Especially the bold.

And you'll never be good at murdering me.

 

[anotheridiot]

I feel Hossa was a bigger loss than we consider.

I truly think his work ethic had been raising the floor for the Hawks.

How can you drag ass without shame when the oldest dude on the team is out working you every fucking shift?

Lack of Hossa has hurt our team work ethic.

This I agree with, how do I miss hossa turning the puck over, albeit not always his fault, but absolutely undressing the guy that took it and getting it back.

 

[Diehardfan]

While I agree that Hossa's relentless hustle and energy are missed, there is something that he's done that in a somewhat irreverent way might just change the way teams do business. Hossa's contract, while probably not the first, but was one of the first long term deals that was used to circumvent the cap. In Hossa's case, it was money well spent as he laid it on the line every night and the thought behind the contract seemed to be a good one....at least good enough that other long term deals soon followed. Trouble is, Hossa is proving to be an enigma of sorts....he's one of only a few that made deals like this successful. I mean the guy was pushing 40 and still playing well while the smallish backend of his contract was kicking in. It's becoming very obvious that you can't pass out these long term deals willy-nilly...it will work with a few but for the most part it's a scenario doomed to fail. Father Time is something that can't be regulated or given a shelf life...a player's longevity is different for everyone. The bottom line is that what's happening here in Chicago and other franchises will not go unnoticed by the rest of the league. I believe that there soon will be GM's hunting for other ways to get around the cap knowing that a plethora of long term deals to the wrong players can lock a team into years of mediocrity.

 

[MassHavoc]

Eddie O on the call today if you're trying to convince yourself to watch. Duclair out weeks because of douchebag.

 

[Tater]

I like Hayden. I hope he sticks around, they need a player like that. Maybe not on the second line though.

 

[MassHavoc]

I am glad some guys like Hayden are getting playing time and such, but at this point, I'm not sure I want them to win.